Soulx threads...

[Sterling]

Okay, I'm just a little confused as to why whenever Soulx posts legitimate news its first post always reads along the lines of, "Dawww, I walked in here expecting Soulx and was not disappointed." I know that he has a bit skewed opinions, but at the same time many other users here treat Sony as our overlords. Very few members even think to post negative news about Sony because they're afraid of being branded as "Valwin", or "Soulx". It inhibits discussions when I and others legitimately have an opinion and real concerns on Sony's plummeting stock shares and many other things too. Why is it that members feel the need to just brush it all of because it's Soulx? It's no secret that Sony has been struggling lately, so why does he get all the flak for reporting it? Even the moderators have been lax in making sure the thread stays on topic, opting instead to lock it when it gets out of hand. Sure this bullshit was funny at first, but now that it's out of hand this much I usually find myself too late to post my concerns or opinions.

I'd really like it if people could remain mature and civil over such things. Don't like his posts, don't post. Maybe debate civilly but don't just walk in and post nonsense and walk out. That is fucking annoying and frankly I'm sick of seeing this recurring theme. >.<

 

[PolloDiablo]

this is how

should be like

 

[Annieone23]

I feel like this entire argument could be solved with stricter moderation, IE heavier warns/deleting obviously troll/flame comments, instead of locking.

To me locking is too passive. It stems the problem but doesn't fix it or teach a lesson for future threads. Sure, soulX is, arguably, posting these topics to incite flaming/chaos but his news posts in and of themselves are not bad. The figures and facts, like in that recent Sony figures thread, are actually news to some people, despite how trivial they may be.

So the post, despite its supposed intentions, isn't bad. If the mods halted and stamped out the flaming comments in the discussion then instead of soulX getting everyone's goat like people say he wants, no offense guy, his posts just become boring and civil news.

At first it will be banhammer-apocalypse to quell the flaming but after people realize the mods arn't going to take that shit, the trolls would give up. With locking right now, the trolls are almost more incentivised to just post their trolly comments asap before the inevitable lock, which every regular temper sees coming a mile away, hits.

 

[Sterling]

That's kinda my point. People come in, and +1 post count with some nonsense like you just did Hadrian and leave. The thread could have been better off without such things and sensible discussion might have happened.

@Foxi: Journalism is half reporting and half opinion. It's easy to separate the facts from the bait and keep your cool. Reporting a thread for a lock with only a baity opinion in a news worthy OP is abuse in itself. Hitting that button and calling a mod over when 3 posts in all we have is "LOL SOULX" is proper conduct and should improve the discussion by bringing the thread on topic. What you are suggesting (by reporting the bait) is misconduct and I would hate to hear that that is exactly what you do. Especially if that is indeed someone's opinion.

As for sales figures, it does matter. These directly show how a product is doing and by extension the division of the company. They may not be USN worthy, but I'll be damned if they don't matter to us.

Also, GBAtemp isn't a proper news site. The general journalism rules only loosely apply.

 

[Hadrian]

That's kinda my point. People come in, and +1 post count with some nonsense like you just did Hadrian and leave.

Oh lighten up.

 

[Annieone23]

Also, GBAtemp isn't a proper news site. The general journalism rules only loosely apply.

While that is incredibly true, I will say I really love the USN section of GBAtemp for trying so hard. I feel like as far as gaming forums go GBA has the most informative USN section. Plenty of similar sites have similar forum sections yet they are very close minded. For example, the PS3 hacking sites I frequent only, and exclusively, have user news regarding the PS3 and usually only hacking related. GBAtemp on the otherhand frequently has news about all three big console manufacturers and often even just world-wide RL news. I appreciate the effort GBAtemp members, even Guild (what?! Yeah I like your civil frontpage posts. Deal with it.), put into making the USN section relevant.

 

[Sterling]

Oh lighten up.

Well, that could take months of dieting and exercise and honestly I'm a lazy fuck. I get what you were trying to do, but I also feel like it was the wrong place wrong time.

 

[Foxi4]

@Foxi: Journalism is half reporting and half opinion.

Fair play, it is, however these opinions have to be voiced out in a particular fashion - they need to have structure, they have to be used in moderation and they cannot be inflammatory. Do you remember when was the last time you heard an election report where the journalist said "XYZ won the election, but in my opinion, fuck XYZ, ABC's ten times better!"? I don't either.

Reporting a thread for a lock with only a baity opinion in a news worthy OP is abuse in itself.

Reporting a thread for not being up to the standards is being a good member.

What you are suggesting (by reporting the bait) is misconduct and I would hate to hear that that is exactly what you do.

It's not misconduct to write a report with exact specifics on what I find wrong in the OP. I will continue requesting locks or edits of threads that are purposely crafted to be inflamatory.

Especially if that is indeed someone's opinion.

It's a shame that Blogs are offline for now, I'd guide you to my post about "Personal Opinions".

Also, GBAtemp isn't a proper news site. The general journalism rules only loosely apply.

In the USN they do, and posters have to deal with it. Users should either post proper news in the section or not post at all.

Of course, all those are very subtle nuances. Some readers are more sensitive to them, others don't even notice them. I pick them up and they bother me - simple.

 

[Castiel]

I feel like this may be relevant: http://gbatemp.net/threads/skyrim-ps3-issues-not-sonys-fault-says-bethesda.335634/#post-4418426

 

[Foxi4]

I feel like this may be relevant: http://gbatemp.net/threads/skyrim-ps3-issues-not-sonys-fault-says-bethesda.335634/#post-4418426

p1ngpong is on his ass for this as well, and I have the exact same problem. He often injects this extra bit of flame-grilled trollness into his news threads, and it's a shame because they're for the most part accurate and he has all it takes to be a good reporter *except* restraint. I'm sure it's subconscious, I'm sure that's just who he is, but I don't have to accept that.

 

[Annieone23]

Also, for what its worth the discussion on page two of that last soulX thread was pretty healthy/interesting before the lock. Maybe posts were deleted that I didn't see, but I don't think that is the case. I'm talking specifically about the developing Naughty Dog and Sony relationship discussion specifically. That being said, it was only kinda on topic just because it was about Sony. As an aside, Naughty Dog, I believe, is their strongest plus right now in the West regarding declining sales/etc. Uncharted 1+2 are enough to warrant buying a PS3, period.

 

[Sterling]

p1ngpong is on his ass for this as well, and I have the exact same problem. He often injects this extra bit of flame-grilled trollness into his news threads, and it's a shame because they're for the most part accurate and he has all it takes to be a good reporter *except* restraint. I'm sure it's subconscious, I'm sure that's just who he is, but I don't have to accept that.

That one was obvious flame bait. While it's true that the PS3 has troublesome coding issues, it does not have problems running Skyrim. That one deserved to be locked. The last one, not so much. When so much as a hint of legitimate Sony news comes up with Soulx as the OP it doesn't even matter because "It's Soulx". The exceptions are there and if the other stuff bothers people so much then just ban him already. He's obviously not going to change and people are still going to be obnoxious about it. I'd like for forum warns and stern conversational warnings all around, but I'm not a mod and I don't decide these things.

 

[Foxi4]

That one was obvious flame bait. While it's true that the PS3 has troublesome coding issues, it does not have problems running Skyrim. That one deserved to be locked. The last one, not so much. When so much as a hint of legitimate Sony news comes up with Soulx as the OP it doesn't even matter because "It's Soulx". The exceptions are there and if the other stuff bothers people so much then just ban him already. He's obviously not going to change and people are still going to be obnoxious about it. I'd like for forum warns and stern conversational warnings all around, but I'm not a mod and I don't decide these things.

Y'see, this is what happens when you make a name for yourself in the negative sense. SoulX started his journey in the USN with making threads just like the Bethesda one - check his older News reports. He did it all by himself - he taught people that he is Anti-Sony, and by continously posting News regarding Sony's only, he destroyed his credibility entirely. Later on, he stopped including these attacks in the OP itself, however he continued instigating flamewars in the subsequent posts, so nothing really changed - his attitude and by proxy his reception remained the same.

I sincerely doubt that your concerns about you getting such a "brand name" are not very well-founded - you are a good writer, I respect your opinions even when we disagree because you just don't make such aggressive statements for the sake of starting a flamewar. As long as you will keep your journalism objective and analytical, you're in the clear in my book.

 

[emigre]

http://gbatemp.net/threads/3ds-xl-sells-200-000-units-japan-in-two-days-10-000-in-uk.331796/

Ok, I'm only posting that because I made two top remarks on that first page. Also the two members of staff and their remarks.

 

[Foxi4]

http://gbatemp.net/threads/3ds-xl-sells-200-000-units-japan-in-two-days-10-000-in-uk.331796/

Ok, I'm only posting that because I made two top remarks on that first page. Also the two members of staff and their remarks.

Another great example, actually.

In the first week, the 3DS XL has sold 229,635 units in Japan with New Super Mario Bros. 2 selling 430,185 units in retail. To put this to scale, it sold 40% of the Vita's LTD (lifetime sales to date) in a week!

If SoulX wanted to "put it to scale", he should've put it to a scale that's relevant, meaning 3DS sales in the exact same time period. Instead, he opts to compare it to Vita sales *again*, even though we already know that its launch was poor. It's a 3DS, why not keep it in the 3DS spectrum? He feels the irresistable urge to remind us about Vita sales time and time again, even if the subject matter isn't connected with the Vita at all.

 

[Black-Ice]

Black-Ice's Deduction:
Soulx went through a period where he posted a fuck-load of threads with the same message: Vita isnt selling well.
I think somewhere along the line he realized this and started to play with it too, but that wasnt recieved well and now the whole reputation of his threads has become what legacy his Vita threads left over. And Gbatemp is a land of unforgiving night where people refuse to let go of the past.
Plus he pissed off the guild club, that never ends well.

 

[porkiewpyne]

Black-Ice's Deduction:
Plus he pissed off the guild club, that never ends well.

Don't you mean the Guild's guild?

 

[Eerpow]

Hilarious, threads like this one and the Guild topic make me view GBAtemp as some sort of reality show.

 

[EyeZ]

Okay, I'm just a little confused as to why whenever Soulx posts legitimate news its first post always reads along the lines of, "Dawww, I walked in here expecting Soulx and was not disappointed." I know that he has a bit skewed opinions, but at the same time many other users here treat Sony as our overlords. Very few members even think to post negative news about Sony because they're afraid of being branded as "Valwin", or "Soulx". It inhibits discussions when I and others legitimately have an opinion and real concerns on Sony's plummeting stock shares and many other things too. Why is it that members feel the need to just brush it all of because it's Soulx? It's no secret that Sony has been struggling lately, so why does he get all the flak for reporting it? Even the moderators have been lax in making sure the thread stays on topic, opting instead to lock it when it gets out of hand. Sure this bullshit was funny at first, but now that it's out of hand this much I usually find myself too late to post my concerns or opinions.

I'd really like it if people could remain mature and civil over such things. Don't like his posts, don't post. Maybe debate civilly but don't just walk in and post nonsense and walk out. That is fucking annoying and frankly I'm sick of seeing this recurring theme. >.<

I couldn't agree with you more, it's time soulx got some slack here as i find his threads informative.

 

[Sterling]

Hilarious, threads like this one and the Guild topic make me view GBAtemp as some sort of reality show.

I'm glad my insignificant concerns can entertain you. It was never my intention either. Also, you watch some terrible reality shows if this makes you think of one.

>Implying reality shows were every good.

 

[Eerpow]

I'm glad my insignificant concerns can entertain you. It was never my intention either. Also, you watch some terrible reality shows if this makes you think of one.

>Implying reality shows were every good.

I never watched one to be honest, and no, it was a sarcastic comment. I actually find these "let's talk about x member" threads quite annoying. soulx made some wrong decisions before and because of that he (in the eyes of most members) shouldn't be allowed to post Sony related news in the USN. We all know hell brakes lose when he does and yet he continues to do it. He even got suspended for it, so he isn't exactly trustworthy, even if I personally feel that he isn't as biased in his OP's like he used to be. It's not entirely his fault but the thing is that he knows nothing good will come out of it, he really should stop fueling the flames.
Hyro-sama made a negative Sony news thread a while back and look how well that went, most members expect Hyro-sama's post to be unbiased and legit.

The problem isn't the news themselves, it's the community.