I am reminded of the possible fake story of the little old lady that was told "Your computer has performed an illegal operation".
What do you mean ?
There are more examples but "Beanie babies".
I am reminded of the possible fake story of the little old lady that was told "Your computer has performed an illegal operation".
What do you mean ?
There are more examples but "Beanie babies".
Poll upsets me, theres a bunch of good for nothing cheaters on this forum
Honestly I think the entire argument is ridiculously stupid. The only people against legal Pokemon are the ones who spend hard work creating legitimate Pokemon and see it as unfair, they think that because they put effort into their teams that everyone else should too, or the people who see this as "morally wrong". The first group of people mentioned are incredibly selfish and one sided and don't see that the EV/IV system is extremely dated and utterly pointless.
How is it selfish? Tell me, what other game or sport can you cheat and generator your way to the top? It's unfair no matter what, and you saying it's selfish to think so just shows you have no idea what you're talking about.
It's selfish because they're not looking at it from more than one perspective. Anyone who does look at this from the perspective of others isn't arguing that people who generate Pokemon are evil but instead blaming Nintendo because it's Nintendo's fault. Gamefreak has been smart and made it so that EV's are extremely easy to get now but still keep the same ridiculous system of IV's and haven't tried to make it less time consuming than it already is. If IV's and EV's combined only took someone a few hours per Pokemon then I would see the point in this argument but the fact is that getting a Pokemon with amazing IV's and then EV training them takes shitloads of time. Time that not everyone on this planet has. If Pokemon was my heart and soul and I played it competitively but could only do it about an hour or two per every few days because I had a job, friends and family I would sure as hell be one of the people exploiting the game to get a Pokemon which was legal in every sense apart from being computer generated.
It's because the other perspective is being entitled. First off, if you're planning on playing casually to begin with, and I don't say that like a bad thing, what use do you even have going for perfect stats? And yes, they have made IVs far more easy to get. With certain items, you can now transfer up to FIVE IVs. Any pokemon caught in the friend safaris have two guaranteed perfect IVs. You can pass on moves and abilities from both parents now.
You don't see people magically getting muscles to play sports, do you? No. You work towards them. Using the same type of time and effort you would here. Some people play sports purely for fun, or on a whim. They don't play to compete, at least not on a high level. They want to do that, guess what, they have to train. T R A I N. You aren't entitled to having perfect pokemon, and Game Freak isn't giving you the option to do so without a bit of elbow grease. Now if you're telling me you can't find time to take a couple of hours to idly catch some pokemon, breed a few IVs if you so choose, maybe egg moves as well...then what are you even playing the game for? Go play on Shoddy Battle, or Pokemon Showdown. If you're going to play the official thing, play by the same damn rules everyone else is. Having a job and friends and family doesn't give you a free pass to bypass the exact same work everyone else has to do, and finds time to do.
Oh yeah, for the record, I work about 65-70 hours a week and can still find a few hours to train up a handful of pokemon and drag them online for a little bit. Only need three to play matches online. At most, that's 3 hours of training if you want guaranteed decent IVs. Otherwise just get the right nature, which is dirt easy, the right moves, EV train using hordes(this takes 5 minutes tops), and saunter your way online and have fun.
Piracy is typically a civil infringement when it comes to legal things, online hacking, especially one that provides no great gain other than time saved, is at best a social contract. I am not sure you can conflate the two either.Considering that this site supports piracy (outside of providing ROMs), it's fairly obvious that the majority of opinions here are going to be biased. I mean, come on, if people willingly break the law, of course they'll have no qualms about breaking rules for an online game.
I'm not totally against the whole idea, but I 'frown upon' it.
As long as the people who do create these artificial Pokemon keep within the boundaries and not create 6 Arceus with maxed out stats and perfect IV's ad EV's then it's ok. They'll just miss out on that awesome feeling of catching, training and putting in the time and effort to have a strong and well balanced team.
I understand that if you have been putting in the time to research Pokemon and eventually come up with a strong team, you would want that team RIGHT NOW. You don't want to grind. However that would be, what some people would call, a 'false sense of achievement' because you didn't get the team you wanted through normal means.
Whatever floats your goat though.
I gather then you are of the opinion that any action not done within the game would be unjustifiable cheating? Even when the end result is a shortcut around a relatively short time investment (with no skill beyond reading comprehension and basic numeracy)?Poll upsets me, theres a bunch of good for nothing cheaters on this forum
Here's my two cents. Nothing in the world allows you to take the easy way out, legally. You can try and justify non-legitimately created pokemon that are still in the bounds of "legality". I'll make an example I'm sure someone is going tell me it's wrong to compare them, but look at something like Magic: the Gathering, or Pokemon TCG, or any TCG.
You can buy cards, and simply netdeck and use whatever is winning. But you can't just print these cards on your own, even if they are completely "legal" and look completely "legit". It's simply not allowed. Anyone who is found out is rightfully banned, permanently. Now, there's the argument that these are physical objects, but the same goes for the online versions of these card games as well.
You are not allowed to cheat your way in, even if it's identical to the real thing. That's what forgery and cheating is. Often enough, Nintendo or Game Freak will do tournaments with their games, many of which have real money prizes. The majority of the players in these tournaments will be using things they worked hard to get, took time to train, to research, and craft these Pokemon.
You may say "Oh, but I have a busy life, I don't have time to do all that", that's no excuse. Steroids are of the same line of thinking. They are illegal for a reason, it's simply giving you an easier time to be able to play. Why should you get in any easier than the people who worked to get where they are? Legal or not, it's an unfair advantage.
And to take it a step further, with the release of Pokemon X and Y, training up a fully-crafted pokemon takes maybe an hour at most now, maybe a bit more if you're either unlucky, or going for a 100% perfect Pokemon. They've made it easier than ever to become competitive in their own game, and have drastically lessened the time needed. There's no excuse to need to use these modifiers or generators, because simply put, they aren't official.
And I, for one, hope Nintendo puts some kind of way to detect and permanently ban those who try to use them. It's unfair to the rest of us, and it's simply cheating your way through life. But hey, this is GBAtemp, where people come to get patches for piracy and cheating already, so go figure.
I don't mind if people would use it alone, but if it goes to multiplayer or sold, then there's a problem. Artificially created pokemons are cheated pokemons even if they had the same limits as the legitimate ones.
They are made/obtained from hacking, or in other works, breaking the game or it's mechanics and it does not deserve any recognition.
It's because the method in which they are created aren't withing the game's rules. Although the scale of time it can be created legitimately would make the difference negligible, in my own views, I still do not want to acknowledge it being used in an environment where people created their pokemon within the game's rules/methods.How is it breaking the game if they are functionally identical and creating them "normally" takes a fairly short amount of time (long afternoon for a single one and a weekend for a team if you are taking your time)?
I wish Nintendo could just be able to block any way of cheating so we wouldn't need discussions like this.
Hmmm... Interesting subject. I think both sides have made some reasonable points. If you're using artificially created pokemon technically you are cheating, that's a fact. The question is if it should be allowed.
It's personal, I have a problem when people want to have equal standing with someone who made an effort even though they didn't make any.
Spending an hour or three breeding and grinding up pokemon does not give me any feeling of accomplishment.Generating Perfect Pokemon doesn't give off the certain feeling of accomplishment.