School shooting @ Great Mills Md high school today

[Noctosphere]

That's why in the US there are many investigations about the past elections.
A president doesn't have all the powers. Even if that one would love to have them all, he doesn't, he can't and he won't. There's always gonna be counter-powers in a democracy.

So yes one corrupt guy can try to rig elections, maybe even succeed, but then it won't be the people only that rise against that guy if they find out, but justice itself.

lol, do you really think there are no investigation in quebec?

 

[Hanafuda]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...public-or-a-democracy/?utm_term=.27e63612e665

And beside, that does not nullify the points.

Mr. Volokh is engaging in semantics to some extent in that article, and to some extent so was I. A representative republic is a form of democracy, though it is indirect democracy. And as you said, it's beside the point of this discussion. But I do encourage you to keep reading the opinions of Eugene Volokh, particularly with respect to gun control.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

Eh, politics dont always represent the true nature of a person. See for example a few ones arround here, certain fox dude is a pretty good person, he shows respect and tolerance, why would something about trump makes me think that one fox guy is the reincarnation of the devil itself?

Politics always directly show what a person believes in, unless they're wildly uninformed or so far affected by a propaganda machine that they can't see to the other side and that's all they know. It is virtually impossible to separate political beliefs with one's personality in the age where political issues have to do with the rights of immigrants, prisoners, minorities, and non-cishet people, and I'd rather that we would all stop collectively pretending that that isn't the case

That is stupid and you know it's stupid. There are plenty of good conservatives who hold his feet to the fire agro Ben Shapiro.

And that's great. It's good that some people are starting to turn back around, but I'd argue that in Trump's America, they're no longer fully conservative and are practically moderates now

It's sure is nice to be so loved and respected, not to mention generalized for having different political opinions in the US. I should share my political views more often. Heaven forbid people didn't vote for Hillary back in 2016.

Edit: Discussing politics hasn't solved a bloody thing, it's only made me cynical, so yeah, appreciated. I never went around and berated people or generalized people for voting Hillary, so what gives you the right to go all out on those who didn't vote for her?

Both candidates are assclowns


The gist of this thread is "Express your views, er, only if they align with the democratic views!"

Politics can eff off

See above

Plus, I'd like to remind people that third parties ARE an option. If you don't like either candidate, vote for someone else. If you vote for the "lesser of two evils", though, you'd better be prepared for people to judge you on the "evil" you DID vote for

Regarding both @the_randomizer and @DeslotlCL:
@the_randomizer, I think that you are an INCREDIBLY kind and thoughtful human being, especially when it comes to both people and animals that you deeply care for... which is why it both frustrates and confuses me whenever you try to justify voting for Donald Trump, a man who both ran on a campaign of hate and division and managed to revive incredibly violent hate groups in many parts of America. I understand that in the moment it probably seemed like the right thing to do, but you don't have to defend yourself; it's ok to grow and realize mistakes. But, on the other hand, if you're going to say that you support Trump/the current Conservative party's rhetoric, which is what I'M talking about... There's really not much I can say, other than what I've already said :/

 

[the_randomizer]

Politics always directly show what a person believes in, unless they're wildly uninformed or so far affected by a propaganda machine that they can't see to the other side and that's all they know. It is virtually impossible to separate political beliefs with one's personality in the age where political issues have to do with the rights of immigrants, prisoners, minorities, and non-cishet people, and I'd rather that we would all stop collectively pretending that that isn't the case

And that's great. It's good that some people are starting to turn back around, but I'd argue that in Trump's America, they're no longer fully conservative and are practically moderates now

See above

Plus, I'd like to remind people that third parties ARE an option. If you don't like either candidate, vote for someone else. If you vote for the "lesser of two evils", though, you'd better be prepared for people to judge you on the "evil" you DID vote for

Regarding both @the_randomizer and @DeslotlCL:
@the_randomizer, I think that you are an INCREDIBLY kind and thoughtful human being, especially when it comes to both people and animals that you deeply care for... which is why it both frustrates and confuses me whenever you try to justify voting for Donald Trump, a man who both ran on a campaign of hate and division and managed to revive incredibly violent hate groups in many parts of America. I understand that in the moment it probably seemed like the right thing to do, but you don't have to defend yourself; it's ok to grow and realize mistakes. But, on the other hand, if you're going to say that you support Trump/the current Conservative party's rhetoric, which is what I'M talking about... There's really not much I can say, other than what I've already said :/

I didn't vote Clinton because I didn't agree with her stance on TPP, her condescending talks on the whole "deplorable" bullshiz, trying to garner support by using Pokemon Go (seriously?). She rubbed me the wrong way, like big time, second, I wanted to see a change of majority in the White House, as I'm bitter about all that happened during Obama's two terms, notably forced an 800 billion dollar failed healthcare bill (which I can't afford thanks to penalties and all that), sanctuary cities being formed, the list goes on. But I digress. I didn't vote third party because I doubt said party would've won the electorate or popular votes, hard to say. I will henceforth remain neutral because picking sides is just a big fat waste of time.

I don't know what the hell to think of all this, *sigh*

 

[TotalInsanity4]

I didn't vote Clinton because I didn't agree with her stance on TPP, her condescending talks on the whole "deplorable" bullshiz, trying to garner support by using Pokemon Go (seriously?). She rubbed me the wrong way, like big time, second, I wanted to see a change of majority in the White House, as I'm bitter about all that happened during Obama's two terms, notably forced an 800 billion dollar failed healthcare bill (which I can't afford thanks to penalties and all that), sanctuary cities being formed, the list goes on. But I digress. I didn't vote third party because I doubt said party would've won the electorate or popular votes, hard to say. I will henceforth remain neutral because picking sides is just a big fat waste of time.

I don't know what the hell to think of all this, *sigh*

Again I recommend third party, because if no one votes for them then yeah, they'll never get the electorate, but we need to be the change we want to see otherwise. If you think so poorly of BOTH major candidates, consider contacting the campaign of your preferred third party candidate and seeing what you can do to raise awareness in your area; chances are high you aren't the only one thinking that way

Democratic engagement, y'all

 

[Dominator211]

i dont even want to start and arguments i just dont think i feel safe in school anymore

 

[Noctosphere]

i dont even want to start and arguments i just dont think i feel safe in school anymore

come to quebec then

 

[Dominator211]

come to quebec then

unless this country starts to crumble i think ill stay right here

 

[Noctosphere]

unless this country starts to crumble i think ill stay right here

mmmh... crumble...

 

[TotalInsanity4]

unless this country starts to crumble i think ill stay right here

This is super off topic, but I love your member tag and I'm guessing you're studying German?

 

[deinonychus71]

lol, do you really think there are no investigation in quebec?

I said no such thing, if anything that's proof that the system works.

I didn't vote Clinton because I didn't agree with her stance on TPP, her condescending talks on the whole "deplorable" bullshiz, trying to garner support by using Pokemon Go (seriously?). She rubbed me the wrong way, like big time, second, I wanted to see a change of majority in the White House, as I'm bitter about all that happened during Obama's two terms, notably forced an 800 billion dollar failed healthcare bill (which I can't afford thanks to penalties and all that), sanctuary cities being formed, the list goes on. But I digress. I didn't vote third party because I doubt said party would've won the electorate or popular votes, hard to say. I will henceforth remain neutral because picking sides is just a big fat waste of time.

I don't know what the hell to think of all this, *sigh*

Third party.
Yes it works, it worked in some countries.

And I really hope that you realize that even though Obama's healthcare isn't perfect, a decent safety net is NECESSARY in any society to bring more social equality. You may complain about more taxes, but down the line it solves more problem than just health, including violence.
Like, the intent was good, now you just need to make it better.
(and I did paid a lot of taxes for last year, and I would pay more in a heartbeat if that meant a canadian or european-like healthcare)

 

[the_randomizer]

I said no such thing, if anything that's proof that the system works.


Third party.
Yes it works, it worked in some countries.

And I really hope that you realize that even though Obama's healthcare isn't perfect, a decent safety net is NECESSARY in any society to bring more social equality. You may complain about more taxes, but down the line it solves more problem than just health, including violence.
Like, the intent was good, now you just need to make it better.
(and I did paid a lot of taxes for last year, and I would pay more in a heartbeat if that meant a canadian or european-like healthcare)

Too bad that healthcare was still not affordable for people who make as much or not enough, that I make. You'd think universal healthcare would be freely available. Well, I've yet to see third party work in the US, so, *shrug* IDK anymore.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

Too bad that healthcare was still not affordable for people who make as much or not enough, that I make. You'd think universal healthcare would be freely available. Well, I've yet to see third party work in the US, so, *shrug* IDK anymore.

Ironically enough I think that Lincoln's Republican party (what is now modern day Democrat party) was the last third party elected. So yeah, it's been a LONG while, and it would take a LOT of effort to take on lobbying groups, but I think that if the American people get together and stop playing party politics long enough to get someone through primaries we could definitely have a true third option for election season

 

[deinonychus71]

Too bad that healthcare was still not affordable for people who make as much or not enough, that I make. You'd think universal healthcare would be freely available. Well, I've yet to see third party work in the US, so, *shrug* IDK anymore.

All I know is this:
Went to ER in Europe for a few days: Free, or very small case fee
Went to ER in America: 3 hours > $4k (with insurance)

Anyone working at walmart or similar job who needs to go to ER for any reason? screwed.
There is nothing that can justify that when you value human life.

 

[the_randomizer]

All I know is this:
Went to ER in Europe for a few days: Free, or very small case fee
Went to ER in America: 3 hours > $4k (with insurance)

Anyone working at walmart or similar job who needs to go to ER for any reason? screwed.
There is nothing that can justify that when you value human life.

Our healthcare system sucks, that is all.

 

[CMDreamer]

More weapons available, more possibilities for this to happen. A troubled person without a weapon at hand wouldn't make such damage (in a quantitative way).

I've lived in USA long time ago, and this, in a touching way, concern me. Besides, I've a lot of family on many places in US.

What's wrong with you people? -_-

 

[TotalInsanity4]

Our healthcare system sucks, that is all.

It needs an overhaul, yeah. The ACA was a start, but a) it was too ambitious and didn't go nearly far enough and b) it was neutered by a Republican Congress that wanted to please their voters that are terrified of "socialism"

 

[the_randomizer]

It needs an overhaul, yeah. The ACA was a start, but a) it was too ambitious and didn't go nearly far enough and b) it was neutered by a Republican Congress that wanted to please their voters that are terrified of "socialism"

The thing that pissed me off about it the most was that bedamned "pay for minimal care or get fined 600 dollars", yeah, America, freedom. Right.

 

[Deleted User]

Funny, how the US has dozens of school shootings a year and Europe barely has any ;')
You sure gun laws aren't to blame?




Europe is full.
We don't need anymore people here.

Mental health and gun laws are to blame... It's just the fact that we got idiots running the country.... more like people who don't want to piss off the NRA.

 

[RivenMain]

Oh no someone brought a gun, meh. Back in the day everyone carried a gun. It's just that bullying is getting worse and teachers aren't doing their job. There's only so many times you can inflect pain before the object is going to break. It's why we leave our jobs. We should consider the mental issues and how it got to this point. Sooner or later the shame of a school will leak out. And will make others think twice of having their kids go there if they'll end up mentally/ physically abused like the child.