Why do people get so triggered about introducing LGBT characters into movies?

[TotalInsanity4]

That's not the only article and it's the most tame. Last time I linked something extreme it made you uncomfortable. This isn't really "gotcha I win" but more of a here punch this guy to because he is just as bad as a klan member.

Thaaaaaaat's a stretch and you know it. And as I've said in the previous pages, physical violence is only necessary when all other options have been exhausted

Besides, if you're saying "do this because he's just as bad," then yes, it is because you're trying to say "gotcha I win." I'm looking at the Wikipedia page for his controversy and I'm seeing unsavory things there, but nothing that would make me believe that he would be ready to kill an entire group of people if asked

 

[Navonod]

Thaaaaaaat's a stretch and you know it. And as I've said in the previous pages, physical violence is only necessary when all other options have been exhausted

Besides, if you're saying "do this because he's just as bad," then yes, it is because you're trying to say "gotcha I win." I'm looking at the Wikipedia page for his controversy and I'm seeing unsavory things there, but nothing that would make me believe that he would be ready to kill an entire group of people if asked

See I would agree to your whole necessary evil argument but it's not like Klansmen are running around murdering people like they used to. At least not anymore than other gangs. They just do a stupid rally and leave. That's it.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

See I would agree to your whole necessary evil argument but it's not like Klansmen are running around murdering people like they used to. At least not anymore than other gangs. They just do a stupid rally and leave. That's it.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/...-violence-one-man-stabbed-20160227-story.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/13/us/charlottesville-virginia-overview.html
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...lates-leaving-dark-corners-interne/418100001/

I'm not going to pretend that the KKK is as violent (active? noticable? I don't know what the right word is I suppose) today as it was in the 60's, but saying that all they do is rally (which it feels like you're implying "peacefully") is turning a blind eye to some rather disturbing atrocities that have been growing more and more commonplace

 

[Dvdxploitr]

There is nothing wrong with LGBT characters in video games or any media. However, as it's been said, if they feel the need to flaunt it, that's when it becomes an issue. Take a show like "Will & Grace" for example...it's about a gay guy that lives with his straight female friend. The actors humor is what makes the show what it is. Even though Will is the more "straight" acting and Jack is the feminine one, their humor make the show what it is. You also have Karen & Grace who are the straight females in the show that are humorous as well. The actors that played the characters did a really good job of playing their characters. In fact, the actor that played Will in the show is really straight. Another example of characters playing gay in shows and doing a good job of it is Showtime's "Queer as Folk". While the characters play gay in the show, half of them are really straight, yet if you saw the show, you'd think they were ALL gay because they have all been shown having same-sex encounters. In video games, Fable had the option for you to have your character to be gay. It wasn't forced, you made your character be the person who you wanted him/her to be. Now, if you were to go to the LGBT section of TV/movies on NetFlix, you'll find a bunch of poorly written/acted movies that involve gay characters that mainly just focus on hooking up with someone for the most part. They are terrible and all they do is give someone an excuse to watch a movie that has gay sex in it so they don't get busted for having porn in their browser history. The vast majority of the LGBT themed movies on there are practically the same thing....all about sex or finding a boyfriend (or girlfriend if it's a lesbian themed movie). Mainly, what it comes down to, does the character FIT into the role. If you are playing a game like Call of Duty where the whole objective is to kill everyone and you put a clown making balloon animals in it, that wouldn't make sense and therefore it wouldn't fit...but if you are playing Grand Theft Auto, well, you can pick up female hookers, I think they should let you pick up male hookers too! It fits, that exists. Why not add a male strip club in the game too? I mean, they exist as well and could fit in the GTA world considering picking up hookers and going to the strip club is optional, so if you wanted to go into a male strip club, that could be an option too. It wouldn't really be out of place. I'm sure there are plenty of gay people (myself included) that play GTA games and even I get a laugh out of picking up the female hookers and going to the strip club for a lap dance.

 

[Navonod]

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/...-violence-one-man-stabbed-20160227-story.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/13/us/charlottesville-virginia-overview.html
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...lates-leaving-dark-corners-interne/418100001/

I'm not going to pretend that the KKK is as violent (active? noticable? I don't know what the right word is I suppose) today as it was in the 60's, but saying that all they do is rally (which it feels like you're implying "peacefully") is turning a blind eye to some rather disturbing atrocities that have been growing more and more commonplace

It was peaceful until protesters came along and provoked them.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

It was peaceful until protesters came along and provoked them.

I hate to say it like this but the protesters wouldn't be there if the Klan members weren't, either

Plus, no. It wasn't. If your definition of a "peaceful protest" is a bunch of masked guys in robes waving torches and spears while shouting racial obsenities to intentionally illicit a violent response, then I suppose you could make a case for it, but no. KKK rallies, and by extension, MOST alt-right rallies, are not peaceful

 

[Proto-Propski]

The problem mainly comes from the bad taste given from alot of early shows/movies when LGBT was still an early movement where they tried to just shoe horn the characters sexuality into a plot (whether it fit there, or not) just to be "all inclusive" instead of actually giving the respect to fleshing out what the character is besides just being another generic LGBT Character.

it's more of an issue with the fact no one was willing to make a quality LGBT character in Games/Movies/Shows, and because of that no one believes a quality LGBT character can/will exist. (when they do, but the're just few in far between)

 

[Navonod]

I hate to say it like this but the protesters wouldn't be there if the Klan members weren't, either

Plus, no. It wasn't. If your definition of a "peaceful protest" is a bunch of masked guys in robes waving torches and spears while shouting racial obsenities to intentionally illicit a violent response, then I suppose you could make a case for it, but no. KKK rallies, and by extension, MOST alt-right rallies, are not peaceful

But were they physically hurting anyone before the protesters showed up? Think of them as annoying little kids and ignore them. Easy.

Edit: Honestly you can easily compare the klan and antifa rallies/attacks. Faces covered up, shouting racial obscenities intentionally to get a violent response, and child like antics. The only difference is one hates black people and the other hates white people.

 

[1776WillCommenceAgain]

I just find it super ironic. Introducing LGBT characters into modern-day movies, is, somehow, seen as "forcing homosexuality and transexuality" on children and on any currently impressionable generation. In that insane logic, any movie with a cisgender person, or a straight couple, is forcing their heterosexuality on the LGBT community. Makes sense, right? No.

Being "gay" is, honestly, just as weird as being straight. It's not weird at all, so it sounds ridiculous.

- straight white male

No, being gay is not as weird as being straight, because being straight is not weird at all. Every species on this planet has as it's main goals survival and multiplication. The function through which humans multiply is heterosexual sex. It's how things are supposed to be. Being straight is how it is supposed to be. That can be gleaned from the fact that damn near every single species is this same way. Male + Female. Up to now, there is still no real proof of how homosexuality even comes to be. Is it entirely genetic or entirely environmental, or a mixture of both? No one can say for sure. You can cite studies that support every viewpoint. The most convincing theory I've seen is the germ theory. Look it up,

and yeah, movies are a form of entertainment. Impressionable people, pretty much everyone really, but mostly kids and women moreso than men, are easy prey to the propaganda that is so often pushed in all forms of entertainment, including movies. This is not the kind of thing that should be fucked with. Boys are supposed to be boys. Girls are supposed to be girls. Boys are supposed to like girls and girls supposed to like boys. Boys are meant to grow into men and girls are meant to grow into women. There are anomalies that occur, and that's also normal, but that doesn't mean those anomalies should be promoted or celebrated.

- straight black hispanic male

 

[kumikochan]

It isn't.
Roman times, completely normal one had a male lover.
If one would orally satisfy a female, one would be as low as said female socially.

Being homosexual became "abnormal" once some drunk idiot wrote a joke book and for ~2000 years it was "abnormal"

Hell even in prehistoric times, homosexuality was completely normal so yes.
Religion is the cause of it.

In that regard being a pedophile was also normal in ancient times because girls at the age of 12 had to go to virginity temples to let them get fucked and their virginity taken by old priests. There are countless of instances all over time stuff like that being the norm. Then you also got the constant raping of slaves in Rome and even going so far as doing homosexual things with kids and raping them because they were a slave. You also have incest wich was a normal thing in Egyptian and Roman times and going so far till the 1800 with the Habsburg family line in Europe. Not saying that I don't agree with you but in ancient Rome it wasn't all that pretty. What you said also isn't entirely true. If you were gay only in Rome they would look at you as someone inferior. Being bisexual was the norm and not being homosexual

 

[Navonod]

No, being gay is not as weird as being straight, because being straight is not weird at all. Every species on this planet has as it's main goals survival and multiplication. The function through which humans multiply is heterosexual sex. It's how things are supposed to be. Being straight is how it is supposed to be. That can be gleaned from the fact that damn near every single species is this same way. Male + Female. Up to now, there is still no real proof of how homosexuality even comes to be. Is it entirely genetic or entirely environmental, or a mixture of both? No one can say for sure. You can cite studies that support every viewpoint. The most convincing theory I've seen is the germ theory. Look it up,

and yeah, movies are a form of entertainment. Impressionable people, pretty much everyone really, but mostly kids and women moreso than men, are easy prey to the propaganda that is so often pushed in all forms of entertainment, including movies. This is not the kind of thing that should be fucked with. Boys are supposed to be boys. Girls are supposed to be girls. Boys are supposed to like girls and girls supposed to like boys. Boys are meant to grow into men and girls are meant to grow into women. There are anomalies that occur, and that's also normal, but that doesn't mean those anomalies should be promoted or celebrated.

- straight black hispanic male

LOL. Funniest thing I've read. Germ Theory does apply to some diseases but being gay is not a disease.

- predominantly straight white male in gay relationship. Or bi idgaf.

 

[Bitchplease]

No, being gay is not as weird as being straight, because being straight is not weird at all. Every species on this planet has as it's main goals survival and multiplication. The function through which humans multiply is heterosexual sex. It's how things are supposed to be. Being straight is how it is supposed to be. That can be gleaned from the fact that damn near every single species is this same way. Male + Female. Up to now, there is still no real proof of how homosexuality even comes to be. Is it entirely genetic or entirely environmental, or a mixture of both? No one can say for sure. You can cite studies that support every viewpoint. The most convincing theory I've seen is the germ theory. Look it up,

and yeah, movies are a form of entertainment. Impressionable people, pretty much everyone really, but mostly kids and women moreso than men, are easy prey to the propaganda that is so often pushed in all forms of entertainment, including movies. This is not the kind of thing that should be fucked with. Boys are supposed to be boys. Girls are supposed to be girls. Boys are supposed to like girls and girls supposed to like boys. Boys are meant to grow into men and girls are meant to grow into women. There are anomalies that occur, and that's also normal, but that doesn't mean those anomalies should be promoted or celebrated.

- straight black hispanic male

This is By far the most stupid and ignorant thing I have ever read about how gender works.

There are a lot of animals who have both male and female parts, there are male seahorses who carry the littles.
Many species are gay yet not extinct .

Gender has a part nature and a part nurture, boys will be the boys we teach them to be. Same with girls.
Men are not smarter and females are not better in cleaning that is nurture and teached by others. Nature is the fact that woman can breastfeed, carry a child have their periods, and hormones.

We are really not born that different brain wise. You are just taught to see everybody that way.


Girls like cars, gaming, computers and boys like pink, dolls, and dress up if you would only let them.

 

[The Catboy]

It was peaceful until protesters came along and provoked them.

So your logic is, it's fine for groups like the KKK to hold a rally, but it's not ok for people to be upset about it?
Side note, there is no such thing as a "peaceful protest" when it comes to groups like the KKK and neo-NAZIs. Just because they aren't swinging, doesn't make them "peaceful." They are protesting to remove rights from people and spread racism, that's not "peaceful"

 

[DinohScene]

In that regard being a pedophile was also normal in ancient times because girls at the age of 12 had to go to virginity temples to let them get fucked and their virginity taken by old priests. There are countless of instances all over time stuff like that being the norm. Then you also got the constant raping of slaves in Rome and even going so far as doing homosexual things with kids and raping them because they were a slave. You also have incest wich was a normal thing in Egyptian and Roman times and going so far till the 1800 with the Habsburg family line in Europe. Not saying that I don't agree with you but in ancient Rome it wasn't all that pretty. What you said also isn't entirely true. If you were gay only in Rome they would look at you as someone inferior. Being bisexual was the norm and not being homosexual

bisexuality is part of homosexuality.

Yeh, times change but then again, 500 years from now, people will look back and mention how primitive our society was.
Just natural progression.

 

[1776WillCommenceAgain]

This is By far the most stupid and ignorant thing I have ever read about how gender works.

There are a lot of animals who have both male and female parts, there are male seahorses who carrys the littles.
Many species are gay yet not instinct.

Gender has a part nature and a part nurture, boys will be the boys we teach them to be. Same with girls.
Men are not smarter and females are not better in cleaning that is nurture and teached by others. Nature is the fact that woman can breastfeed, carry a child have their periods, and hormones.

We are really not born that different brain wise. You are just taught to see everybody that way.


Girls like cars, gaming, computers and boys like pink, dolls, and dress up if you would only let them.

>Says what I typed is ignorant is stupid, but doesn't know the difference between extinct and instinct, and doesn't know what "damn near" means, "teached"...

Honestly boy, you sound like you just graduated first grade. Please do some more growing up

 

[Bitchplease]

>Says what I typed is ignorant is stupid, but doesn't know the difference between extinct and instinct, and doesn't know what "damn near" means, "teached"...

Honestly boy, you sound like you just graduated first grade. Please do some more growing up

Im sorry my autocorrect issues are so strong! If you know what I’m trying to say maybe just discuss that instead of my spelling and grammar. I guess you went on that route because you got nothing to say about the true facts I gave you!



Don’t address me as boy please! Don’t asume that’s what I am!

 

[Deleted User]

"Progressives" hated Solo for not demonstrating Lando as pan in the movie.
"Conservatives" hated Solo for many things including that Lando is pan.
I don't really care what sexuality Lando is. Though I agree with the progressives that it should be shown, not told. Still no idea what pan is though, there doesn't seem to be a consensus on what it means among people who use it.

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It was peaceful until protesters came along and provoked them.

You mean was peaceful until people covering their faces started assaulting them.

So your logic is, it's fine for groups like the KKK to hold a rally, but it's not ok for people to be upset about it?
Side note, there is no such thing as a "peaceful protest" when it comes to groups like the KKK and neo-NAZIs. Just because they aren't swinging, doesn't make them "peaceful." They are protesting to remove rights from people and spread racism, that's not "peaceful"

Theres a difference between saying you're upset and provoking someone.

Also, I'm sure I don't have the full picture, but every time I've seen a news article describe someone on the alt-right as racist/facist/nazi, the article provides no example of this.

 

[FAST6191]

The problem mainly comes from the bad taste given from alot of early shows/movies when LGBT was still an early movement where they tried to just shoe horn the characters sexuality into a plot (whether it fit there, or not) just to be "all inclusive" instead of actually giving the respect to fleshing out what the character is besides just being another generic LGBT Character.

it's more of an issue with the fact no one was willing to make a quality LGBT character in Games/Movies/Shows, and because of that no one believes a quality LGBT character can/will exist. (when they do, but the're just few in far between)

I don't know if I can +1 that. There might be some still with memories of such things (we are talking about the 50s onwards right?*) but most here seem to take issue with the newer waves (maybe the last 7-8 years) of such things, ones where people get very vocal about having characters without regard for characterisation, plot, pacing... generally telling a story and start saying "just needs to be there", "need to make up for lost time" and "[estimates of demographic breakdown] your show needs to be that".

*late 60s but whatever


Like I watched some random Dr Who spinoff set in a high school a few months back. Various characters in there seemed to be thrown in and given traits and I was all "what is this bollocks?", mainly as however many years before I remember watching stuff like Skins where there were really well done characters.

Earlier I mentioned Six Feet Under, one of the main characters in that is gay and watching that all play out over the series was some amazing TV, possibly some of the best I have ever seen.

I never saw the US version of Queer as Folk but saw a few of the UK version, more graphic than some might care for but still well executed. I could probably make similar comments about the US and UK versions of Shameless.

Someone mentioned Will and Grace, standard US style sitcom so was not for me but the ones I saw were absolutely fine. On the other hand I saw a show called Gimme Gimme Gimme (a UK style sitcom) some years ago and it was not bad at all


Give me more things like that if you want, keep your token efforts and forced nonsense though.

 

[Navonod]

So your logic is, it's fine for groups like the KKK to hold a rally, but it's not ok for people to be upset about it?
Side note, there is no such thing as a "peaceful protest" when it comes to groups like the KKK and neo-NAZIs. Just because they aren't swinging, doesn't make them "peaceful." They are protesting to remove rights from people and spread racism, that's not "peaceful"

You can be upset all you want but confronting them is what they want. You can easily ignore them. It only got violent when other people showed up and started exchanging words.

 

[Coto]

'Let's put biological standards on moral standards and see how society explodes", this is how religion, politics, and "lower, animal like" sort of manipulative tools work. Been doing human rights stuff way before (circa 1998) when I was barely a kid. Irony it is, indeed.

Hypocritical people are irony as well, they were turned into it, and they will return to it, hypocrisy will last, but that people won't.

These movies sell dreams, but also dreams that involve current society goals. Sort of manipulation food for people who lack values.

That's why educating and supporting others is helpful, you somehow break the chain, and is it hard? oh ffs it is.