Trump's Transgender Troop Ban Goes Into Effect

[Kioku]

>issues

What issues? All I saw was blatantly people saying how people should "accept who they were born as and deal with it", basically. If that isn't transphobia I will be damned.

It's a bit of a stretch to call that transphobia, and rather desperate.... I've seen far worse comments shrugged off as an opinion. I get that some of you don't agree with each other on some points such as these. However, to go straight for the top and cry victim doesn't get anyone anywhere. Not everybody has to accept your beliefs, much the same in reverse. Getting heated won't solve anything.

 

[Foxi4]

The OP made an entire thread full of transphobic comments, this isn't a debate. If this thread was about race, it would have been deleted by now and there would have been no "debate" on the topic. There shouldn't need to be targetted attacks for transphobia to be taken seriously. Additionally saying that I shouldn't be involved is literally asking me to avoid an actual issue that actually effects me. Transphobia actually affects my life and my safety, I am not going to ignore it.

I'm not asking you to do anything, I'm telling you that you are free to do as you please, as are other members. Whataboutism is a bad way to build a case, I haven't seen any disparaging comments infringing upon the rights of the trans community, all I see is a discussion regarding the trans suicide rate and how it relates to military service.

 

[osm70]

That's an opinion, not a "disparaging comment". It's just an opinion you don't agree with and don't like.

In that case, I actually don't understand what is considered a "disparaging comment". Care to explain what I would have to say to actually break the rules?

 

[The Catboy]

I'm not asking you to do anything, I'm telling you that you are free to do as you please, as are other members. Whataboutism is a bad way to build a case, I haven't seen any disparaging comments infringing upon the rights of the trans community, all I see is a discussion regarding the trans suicide rate and how it relates to military service.

That's cool that you are just going to ignore all of the other transphobic comments, I am glad you get to have that fucking power as a Staff to decide to just ignore those comments and focus on mine.

 

[yukivulpes]

I'm done with this bullshit showcase which is showing strong defence in favour of bigoted idiots. Good fucking riddance to this toxic 'community'.

 

[AmandaRose]

OP said in first post

(and don't get my started on the entire trans communities abuse of others due to their cowardliness when it comes to using their failed attempt at kill themselves to obtain sympathy).

That statement is entirely trans hatred it's as simple as that.

 

[Foxi4]

In that case, I actually don't understand what is considered a "disparaging comment". Care to explain what I would have to say to actually break the rules?

It's actually fairly simple. If someone rolled in here wearing a white hood and started proclaiming that blacks are an inferior race and as such should be enslaved by whites, that would constitute a pretty obvious disparaging comment on race. Now turn that dial left or right a couple of degrees and you'll get to experience what we, the mods, deal with everyday. A big part of our job consists of fostering discussions on the boards, but we can't do that if we shoot down every even mildly controversial topic. We can't treat the subject of trans issues as verboten, that's not how dialogue works, and dialogue is the best way to spread your message. If you disagree with the OP, list your reasons why and bolster your stance with good arguments, that's how the entire community benefits. If we just shut it down, it never gets discussed and nobody gets to learn anything. I err on the side of learning until the rules are blatantly broken, I believe most of the staff understands the sentiment, but I won't speak on their behalf.

 

[KingVamp]

On a personal level... I can't see how some trans people call themselves Christians (some do). You're basically saying that GOD made a mistake when he gave you a penis (or didn't). The hypocrisy!

I really hate to address this, but with your reasoning, we wouldn't even be able to help anyone that is sick. "You want the medicine/cure for "x"? Are you saying God made a mistake?"

 

[osm70]

It's actually fairly simple. If someone rolled in here wearing a white hood and started proclaiming that blacks are an inferior race and as such should be enslaved by whites, that would constitute a pretty obvious disparaging comment on race. Now turn that dial left or right a couple of degrees and you'll get to experience what we, the mods, deal with everyday. A big part of our job consists of fostering discussions on the boards, but we can't do that if we shoot down every even mildly controversial topic. We can't treat the subject of trans issues as verboten, that's not how dialogue works, and dialogue is the best way to spread your message. If you disagree with the OP, list your reasons why and bolster your stance with good arguments, that's how the entire community benefits. If we just shut it down, it never gets discussed and nobody gets to learn anything. I err on the side of learning until the rules are blatantly broken, I believe most of the staff understands the sentiment, but I won't speak on their behalf.

TLDR: Saying that blacks are an inferior race is bad, but saying that trans are inferior is perfectly OK. Got it.

 

[urherenow]

I really hate to address this, but with your reasoning, we wouldn't even be able to help anyone that is sick. "You want the medicine/cure for "x"? Are you saying God made a mistake?"

heh. Figures someone would say this and someone would also "like" it. God gave us the brains to make medicine. He also made us in his image. You are trying to alter that image. I could go all day, but you're loony tunes anyway. There's just no point.

TLDR: Saying that blacks are an inferior race is bad, but saying that trans are inferior is perfectly OK. Got it.

Trans aren't natural. You can't see the distinction?

 

[AmandaRose]

TLDR: Saying that blacks are an inferior race is bad, but saying that trans are inferior is perfectly OK. Got it.

It's also apparently OK for the op of this thread to say all trans are delusional and that we all attempt suicide for sympathy ect this level of hatred being accepted by site staff is laughable

 

[Xzi]

That's cool that you are just going to ignore all of the other transphobic comments, I am glad you get to have that fucking power as a Staff to decide to just ignore those comments and focus on mine.

I hate to agree with Foxi on this one, but for the most part I couldn't find much that could really be classified as blatantly inflammatory or transphobic...at least if I'm trying to remain impartial. I removed one sentence from the OP. Everything else is mostly just him repeating himself.

 

[Foxi4]

TLDR: Saying that blacks are an inferior race is bad, but saying that trans are inferior is perfectly OK. Got it.

Nobody said that. What was said was that the suicide rate is concerning in regards to military service, which it is. There is also no agreement on whether being trans is an immutable or an acquired characteristic, or a mixture of the two. The subject is still being researched and debated, as it is here.

 

[osm70]

Nobody said that. What was said was that the suicide rate is concerning in regards to the military ban, which it is. There is also no agreement on whether being trans is an immutable or an acquired characteristic, or a mixture of the two. The subject is still being researched and debated, as it is here.

It was also said that trans people are delusional and that they should deal with their biological sex.

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Trans aren't natural. You can't see the distinction?

I really can't. Care to explain?

 

[Foxi4]

It was also said that trans people are delusional and that they should deal with their biological sex.

It's certainly one of the paths. A trans individual can choose to transition or to stick to their assigned gender, and it's up to them to make the estimation of what is more beneficial to them. Trans people of all walks of life fall somewhere between these two extremes. Some transition completely, surgery et all, others limit their transition to changing their fashion choices, it's all on a spectrum. There's no shortage of people who had gender identity issues in the past and have resolved them, one way or the other.

 

[osm70]

It's certainly one of the paths. A trans individual can choose to transition or to stick to their assigned gender, and it's up to them to make the estimation of what is more beneficial to them. Trans people of all walks of life fall somewhere between these two extremes. Some transition completely, surgery et all, others limit their transition to changing their fashion choices, it's all on a spectrum. There's no shortage of people who had gender identity issues in the past and have resolved them, one way or the other.

Yeah, but I don't think that telling someone "this is what you should do and everything else you might do is bad" is a good idea.

 

[Xzi]

It was also said that trans people are delusional and that they should deal with their biological sex.

To be fair, he prefaces that as his 'personal belief.' Personally I believe that his belief is bullshit and demonstrates a self-centered view of the world, but that's why it's good that we all have this space to voice our opinions and beliefs on the topic.

 

[osm70]

To be fair, he prefaces that as his 'personal belief.' Personally I believe that his belief is bullshit and a self-centered view of the world, but that's why it's good that we all have this space to voice our opinions and beliefs on the topic.

I... actually agree with that. Anyone should be allowed to voice their opinions, regardless of what they might be.

But at the same time, I can't agree that a sentence that begins with " I mean, everyone knows that..." is a personal belief.

("I mean, everyone knows that someone that can't simply identify what was originally between their legs or has a high tendency for suicide is basically delusional")

 

[Xzi]

I... actually agree with that. Anyone should be allowed to voice their opinions, regardless of what they might be.

But at the same time, I can't agree that a sentence that begins with " I mean, everyone knows that..." is a personal belief.

("I mean, everyone knows that someone that can't simply identify what was originally between their legs or has a high tendency for suicide is basically delusional")

Fair enough.

 

[urherenow]

It was also said that trans people are delusional and that they should deal with their biological sex.

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I really can't. Care to explain?

JFC... A black person is born that way. There's no choice. A Trans seems to think they can make the decision on their own, what their sex is. They're born with a penis, then decide No... I'm a woman, then may or may not remove it. And vice versa for women. There's nothing natural about it.