Joe Biden Wins - Becomes 46th president of the United States

[D34DL1N3R]

Trump is now 100% guilty of treason, extortion, and election fraud. LOCK HIM UP!!!!!

 

[The Catboy]

‘I just want to find 11,780 votes’
Yup I’m sure thats what a winner says.

Trump “Biden cheated! Voter fraud!”
Also Trump “Please fake votes for me”

 

[Lacius]

Raffensperger said Trump was being misled by claims on social media. Trump repeatedly mentioned Ruby Freeman, a Georgia election worker who has been the target of false conspiracy theories online.

"Mr. President, the problem you have with social media is that people can say anything," he said.

"Nah, this isn't social media," Trump responded. "This is Trump media."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/do...election-results-remarkable-hourlong-n1252692

Trump is a fucking joke.

 

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[D34DL1N3R]

In before Trumpers be like "Fake news. He clearly wanted 11,780 BOATS"!!!!

 

[Deleted User]

this happened

 

[White_Raven_X]

I posted this literally 3 posts above yours.

Yup and I'm glad you did... It's not about who posts it first, it's about how many!

 

[D34DL1N3R]

Where's morvoran, ULTRA, and tabzer? I'm anxiously awaiting to see how they spin this one. Like I said, I'm sure it will be something as completely idiotic as "He said BOATS!!!"

 

[djpannda]

Where's morvoran, ULTRA, and tabzer? I'm anxiously awaiting to see how they spin this one. Like I said, I'm sure it will be something as completely idiotic as "He said BOATS!!!"

Lol I’m pretty sure they will just read Newsmax and they “Trump did not say anything illegal”
Trump Ga. Transcript Shows Case for Vote Fraud, President Acted Properly

 

[KingVamp]

In before Trumpers be like "Fake news. He clearly wanted 11,780 BOATS"!!!!

Fake news. He said moats. He needs that many for the wall that Mexico paid for.

 

[stanleyopar2000]

Cue conservative blue checks on twitter saying

leaKinG natIOnal sECuRItY CALL Was WORsE tHAN WhAt THe PrEsIDenT WAS askINGG!
we NEeD invEStigATION INtO BrAd fOr this "fEDerAL OffEnSE" nOW!

And here we are:

I see the MAGA blue checks are out early with the “snitches get stitches” response pic.twitter.com/8JuAQXpSX4

— R.J. Lehmann (@raylehmann) January 3, 2021

 

[Foxi4]

"I can kind of see why you think someone talking back to you would be wasting their time." was absolutely intentional flaming/trolling. But whatever.

No one was forced to do anything. You could still see your same doctor if you wanted to. Fact. You're right, not even a conversation worth having.

You and everybody else in this thread know that doctors are not obligated to participate in ACA exchanges - many don't. Not only that, if a doctor was not taking on any new plans and your old plan was not grandfathered in, you effectively had no other choice but to find a new plan, and by extension a new doctor. If you got bumped all the way down to Medicare/Medicaid and your doctor didn't accept that, then that's that - new doctor. Again, well-documented fact, not worth having a debate over since it happened to millions of people.

"Depending on the plan you choose in the marketplace, you may be able to keep your current doctor," a Health and Human Services official tells us, adding, "Different plans have different networks and providers...if staying with your current doctors is important to you, check to see if they are included before choosing a plan."

https://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/09/26/fact-check-you-can-keep-your-own-doctor/

Since there exist circumstances wherein you *couldn't* find a new plan that would enable you to see your old doctor, Obama's statement is false by definition, according to me and according to CNN, so go argue with them, not me.

 

[smf]

Trump is a fucking joke.

I do agree, the conversation is a good example of what happens when your boss is an idiot but he doesn't like to be reminded of it.

However, him wanting to find 12 thousand votes isn't criminal. He's obviously talking about being able to exclude enough votes that he has convinced himself are invalid.

It's obvious that he's much more suited to business where bravado can win in the short term and in the long term you just need good lawyers. When you come up against someone who can't be bribed then you have a much bigger issue.

You and everybody else in this thread know that doctors are not obligated to participate in ACA exchanges - many don't.

They might retire or die as well. I'm not sure that obama should be responsible for doctors who are unwilling to see you.

Are you suggesting that there should be legal recourse against doctors who refuse to provide care under ACA? Or some kind of voodoo to reanimate the corpse of dead doctors?

leaKinG natIOnal sECuRItY CALL Was WORsE tHAN WhAt THe PrEsIDenT WAS askINGG!

If he's got nothing to hide then he wouldn't need to keep it a secret ;-)

 

[Foxi4]

They might retire or die as well. I'm not sure that obama should be responsible for doctors who are unwilling to see you.

Are you suggesting that there should be legal recourse against doctors who refuse to provide care under ACA? Or some kind of voodoo to reanimate the corpse of dead doctors?

I'm not suggesting anything, I am making a statement of fact. The government strong-armed insurers to drop plans that "couldn't be grandfathered in" which led to people having to change plans and, by extension, their doctors since their old ones did not operate on the same networks. That's the statement that was disputed, and I was correct.

If you're asking me for suggestions, perhaps the government *shouldn't have* intervened at all in cases where a citizen already had a plan and didn't want to change it, regardless of regulations for *new* plans. It was very simple to make the new regulations apply to *new enrollments only*, effectively grandfathering in all currently active plans. In fact, it would've been one line of text in the legislation. Not including it caused people to be dropped from plans that were *more affordable and appropriate* for them, granny doesn't need guaranteed maternity care, fact.

 

[D34DL1N3R]

You and everybody else in this thread know that doctors are not obligated to participate in ACA exchanges - many don't. Not only that, if a doctor was not taking on any new plans and your old plan was not grandfathered in, you effectively had no other choice but to find a new plan, and by extension a new doctor. If you got bumped all the way down to Medicare/Medicaid and your doctor didn't accept that, then that's that - new doctor. Again, well-documented fact, not worth having a debate over since it happened to millions of people.
Since there exist circumstances wherein you *couldn't* find a new plan that would enable you to see your old doctor, Obama's statement is false by definition, according to me and according to CNN, so go argue with them, not me.

Except you're wrong. And why would I argue with CNN? They're not involved in this conversation. I don't give two shits what insurance a person has or does not have. No one was forced to stop seeing their doctor. People made the choice to see a different doctor based on their insurance. Huge difference. It's like saying having to wear a mask is taking away ones freedoms.

 

[Foxi4]

Except you're wrong. And why would I argue with CNN? They're not involved in this conversation. I don't give two shits what insurance a person has or does not have. No one was forced to stop seeing their doctor. People made the choice to see a different doctor based on their insurance. Huge difference. It's like saying having to wear a mask is taking away ones freedoms.

It's okay, I don't need a concession from you, I already demonstrated what the experts had to say. Again, if your old plan literally no longer existed and the doctor you used to see was unavailable to you for one of the three listed (and many unlisted) reasons, you had to go elsewhere. You're still between stage 1 and stage 2, we can continue the conversation after you're done with denial and anger. You'll get to acceptance eventually.

 

[Lacius]

I do agree, the conversation is a good example of what happens when your boss is an idiot but he doesn't like to be reminded of it.

However, him wanting to find 12 thousand votes isn't criminal. He's obviously talking about being able to exclude enough votes that he has convinced himself are invalid.

It's obvious that he's much more suited to business where bravado can win in the short term and in the long term you just need good lawyers. When you come up against someone who can't be bribed then you have a much bigger issue.



They might retire or die as well. I'm not sure that obama should be responsible for doctors who are unwilling to see you.

Are you suggesting that there should be legal recourse against doctors who refuse to provide care under ACA? Or some kind of voodoo to reanimate the corpse of dead doctors?



If he's got nothing to hide then he wouldn't need to keep it a secret ;-)

Trump tried to convince Raffensperger to announce that he had arbitrarily recalculated the vote totals and that Trump had won. The phone call is damning, and it's almost certainly evidence of criminal behavior on the part of Trump.

 

[tabzer]

Where's morvoran, ULTRA, and tabzer? I'm anxiously awaiting to see how they spin this one. Like I said, I'm sure it will be something as completely idiotic as "He said BOATS!!!"

Maybe he's making fun of Japanese people who cannot pronounce "v" sound? I don't really know and I know that there's an audio leaked over a phonecall. As usual, both sides are running opposite directions with it. One thing I know, is that people criticizing Trump is "%100 percent making up things he didn't say", as you claimed about me--so that makes you a hypocrite? Not an interesting conversation imo.

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Trump tried to convince Raffensperger to announce that he had arbitrarily recalculated the vote totals and that Trump had won

Can you quote the part where he says this? It looks like an interpretation.

 

[smf]

Trump tried to convince Raffensperger to announce that he had arbitrarily recalculated the vote totals and that Trump had won.

Did he? My understanding was that he wanted them to accept there was fraud and to issue new totals after taking that fraud into account. I don't think the evidence of fraud is compelling, but Trump appears to. So I don't think his intent is for the votes to magically change.

Trumps argument on the numbers is flawed, it's standard in business to pick a big number and then argue that even if it's wrong by a lot then it's still a big number. His bias means he can't comprehend it could be out by 100%

But that is just being dumb, not corrupt.

The government strong-armed insurers to drop plans that "couldn't be grandfathered in" which led to people having to change plans and, by extension, their doctors since their old ones did not operate on the same networks. That's the statement that was disputed, and I was correct.

I thought it was worthless plans & ones the insurers made worthless on purpose.

I guess it comes down to whether you think you should let insurers con people or not.

 

[tabzer]

I think those who believe that Trump knows he's making up the claim of fraud would interpret it as @Lacius has suggested. But those who think that Trump believes it happened is trying to get the guy to come clean. Still, none of us can verify and have to rely on trust. That's what's messed up imo. At least half the nation is bold enough to tell that they don't trust it. Probably a lot more don't trust the system enough to go on some record and admit it out loud.