Joe Biden is now officially the 46th President of the United States of America

[Plasmaster09]

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https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1357834597795561473

if the republican party is so fucking obstinate about NOT GIVING PEOPLE A LIVING WAGE that congress can't pass this, we have failed as a nation.

 

[smf]

Oh so...
When those weathy people got bailed out when the 2008 market crash. People wanted that to happen? for their tax payer dollars to go to those wealthy people? For them to go then buy the housing market? Even though it was them, those same wealthy ass people, made the market crash of 2008 happen in the first place?
Yeah no I don't buy that.

Things are worth what the highest bidder wants to pay for them. They might prefer to pay less, but when they want to be the highest bidder then they will pay it. The GFC in 2008 occurred because a lot of people stopped wanting to buy things that turned out to not be as good as everyone thought.

There was undoubtedly fraud or negligence by certain parties which allowed the disparity between perceived and actual worth. But the majority of people just prepared for take off to the moon. Like with gamestop.

The bailout was handled badly, but it would probably have gone much worse if it hadn't happened. https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/...hy-i-bailed-out-the-banks-and-what-would.html

Our first priority was to prevent catastrophe to protect the American people.

That’s hard to explain and that’s hard for the American people to really understand a catastrophe that never occurred. What they see is a very serious problem that did occur. I can say, we took steps and it would have been much worse if we hadn’t taken them and guess what, the money we put out in the TARP and the capital to banks and insurance companies came back plus $32 billion.”

Until we stop relying on money then there isn't really much option for charnge. Getting rid of money creates more problems as you would still need to control the distribution of resources somehow.

 

[Valwinz]

if the republican party is so fucking obstinate about NOT GIVING PEOPLE A LIVING WAGE that congress can't pass this, we have failed as a nation.

no that's on dems they control they can pass it

 

[smf]

no that's on dems they control they can pass it

Haven't they just moved in? What were the republicans doing all this time other than filling up the swamp?

 

[Plasmaster09]

no that's on dems they control they can pass it

we don't technically control the senate
they can filibuster basically anything they dislike
and boy will they
because they'd rather flagrantly misuse the system than just let us do a single damn thing to help people

 

[Valwinz]

lol they are not give you anything Biden lie
Failed to fetch tweet https://twitter.com/PrichJoseph/status/1358038242499657728

 

[Lacius]

lol they are not give you anything Biden lie
https://twitter.com/PrichJoseph/status/1358038242499657728

If you were to actually read for once in your miserable life, you would see that the concern is tracking people down, and when the title says "if at all," it's referring to people who still haven't gotten the previous two rounds of stimulus.

In reality, Democrats have already cleared the hurdles of the obstructionist Republican Party using reconciliation, and the stimulus bill is likely to be passed within the next few days or so, probably with zero Republican support.

 

[Darth Meteos]

There is less evidence of any of that than there is of widespread election fraud.

just had to signal boost this wonderful post that made me chuckle
onto relevant things

no that's on dems they control they can pass it

that's reductionist
there are lots of things to criticize in the handling of the stimulus, but acting like biden has unilateral control is nonsense
that's why we have a senate and a congress, so everyone has to agree, there's just enemies of the people like joe manchin in there ruining the point of representative democracy

if the republican party is so fucking obstinate about NOT GIVING PEOPLE A LIVING WAGE that congress can't pass this, we have failed as a nation.

it would suit biden to have this fail
he's the one always moaning about "needing a strong opposition"
here's your strong opposition, dumbass

 

[granville]

we don't technically control the senate
they can filibuster basically anything they dislike
and boy will they
because they'd rather flagrantly misuse the system than just let us do a single damn thing to help people

The Republicans can and will filibuster anything they don't like. But saying this is some sort of impossible obstacle is complete bullshit.

The filibuster itself can be nuked with a simple 51 vote majority (it has been altered in the past, and Republicans have no way to filibuster changes to the filibuster). So Republicans only "control" the senate as long as Democrats allow them to do so. If all 48 Democrats, 2 Independents and the Vice President want to end the filibuster, they can do so.

The problem is that two Democrats in the senate are refusing to even consider it. Joe Manchin (West Virginia) and Kyrsten Sinema (Arizona). They've also been threatening to derail the budget reconciliation process for Covid relief, which takes longer but only requires 51 votes and is filibuster proof. There's heavy public pressure against them, but it remains to be seen whether it will have any effect. If it doesn't, you can absolutely blame these two idiots for aiding and abetting Republican obstruction.

 

[Plasmaster09]

The Republicans can and will filibuster anything they don't like. But saying this is some sort of impossible obstacle is complete bullshit.

The filibuster itself can be nuked with a simple 51 vote majority (it has been altered in the past, and Republicans have no way to filibuster changes to the filibuster). So Republicans only "control" the senate as long as Democrats allow them to do so. If all 48 Democrats, 2 Independents and the Vice President want to end the filibuster, they can do so.

The problem is that two Democrats in the senate are refusing to even consider it. Joe Manchin (West Virginia) and Kyrsten Sinema (Arizona). They've also been threatening to derail the budget reconciliation process for Covid relief, which takes longer but only requires 51 votes and is filibuster proof. There's heavy public pressure against them, but it remains to be seen whether it will have any effect. If it doesn't, you can absolutely blame these two idiots for aiding and abetting Republican obstruction.

yeah I just pray that there's at least two Republicans that are just sick enough of their own party's monolithic, antagonistic bullshit to side with us on this

 

[granville]

yeah I just pray that there's at least two Republicans that are just sick enough of their own party's monolithic, antagonistic bullshit to side with us on this

There's none. There might be a couple who are weary of dealing with Trump. But even most of this dissent is also just performative. Only 5 Republicans sided with Dems on a measure to determine whether impeaching Trump is constitutional. None are going to side with Democrats on their stimulus bills. Or killing the filibuster. They're never going to give the Dems an inch on anything.

10 "moderate" Republicans countered Biden's $1.9 trillion Covid bill with a skinny $618 billion relief plan. It reduces checks to $1000, heavily shortens the unemployment period (probably less money as well), significantly cuts public school funding and cuts the $15 minimum wage. Probably sets aside a good chunk of the money for a corporate slush fund as well. That's unacceptable and will destroy Democrats' hopes for the 2022 and 2024 elections if they agree to such a compromise. Biden would be one of the stupidest presidents in history if he does. There's a good chance the Republicans who propose it plan to back out and vote no anyway when it actually comes to a vote. It's a strategy they adopted during the Obama admin, baiting and pulling the rug out at the last to make Dems look like pathetic fools (and it worked, they were indeed pathetic fools for falling for it).

The only hope is to terrorize Manchin and Sinema into falling in line on Budget Reconciliation and nuking the filibuster. They've gotten huge backlash from their own state constituents over this obstruction, including even WV's GOP governor. Their behavior is hurting people badly. There will be political hell to pay if they continue to give over power to the GOP.

 

[smf]

There will be political hell to pay if they continue to give over power to the GOP.

You think people who always vote republican will stop voting republican over it?

 

[granville]

You think people who always vote republican will stop voting republican over it?

No. The GOP has fairly consistent turnout from its base. And this probably won't change unless Trump starts a civil war with the GOP and splits off a ton of voters. Not likely though, the GOP are looking to avoid that in any way possible. Democrats lose elections by fucking up and causing their own constituents to turn against them. 2020 saw an enormous turnout for Dems fueled by desperation. This isn't permanent though.

If Manchin and Sinema go through with their threats to kill the stimulus and aid GOP obstruction, it will make the entire Democratic party look like pathetic liars. And the GOP will use it in their attacks. That 2020 turnout will quickly fade. Likely outcome being that Republicans take back the senate in 2022 and quite possibly the presidency in 2024. Maybe even Trump himself again.

 

[smf]

And this probably won't change unless Trump starts a civil war with the GOP and splits off a ton of voters.

Trump has paper hands, I don't think he's got the guts to go through with his threats.

 

[Deleted User]

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Oh my lord.
The conspiracy theories don't stop coming.

So do you believe the moon landing was faked too? or any other presidents where somehow faked?
Are we really going down the conspiracy theory route?

 

[Julie_Pilgrim]

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God I wish they actually used the us flag like that

 

[tthousand]

At which point do coincidences become mathematically impossible?

As I said in a previous post, "Believe half of what you see, and none of what you hear". If I have not seen it with my own to eyes, I tend to take everything with a grain of salt. Call it a scientific mind, where I understand that no one knows everything... most of us only know what we know is what we know, and are too afraid to look out of that box for fear of being lost.

 

[Julie_Pilgrim]

At which point do coincidences become mathematically impossible?

What the fuck does this have to do with anything?

 

[tthousand]

Lots and lots of impossible feats happened during the 2020 elections. Too many coincidences to believe.

Here an actual quote from Uncle Joe himself...

“We have put together one of the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organizations in the history of American politics.”

 

[Julie_Pilgrim]

Lots and lots of impossible feats happened during the 2020 elections. Too many coincidences to believe.

Here an actual quote from Uncle Joe himself...

“We have put together one of the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organizations in the history of American politics.”

Do you have any proof he said that?