US troops withdrawal from Afghanistan

[Lacius]

Still ignoring the fact that he made a deal to prevent mass casualties like its happening now. Trump made lots of Twitter post yet you people use the one that fits more to your own purposes. Where is the twitter post were he said he wanted to make a deal? Nopes Biden followers dont care about that because it doesnt fit in the purpose that they are spreading.

He made plans, but as time passes by new intelligence comes in, meaning new strategic plans. Let be really be serious here, Trump would've never let happened what Biden allowed to happen under his watch.

Biden was advised not to make a such retreat, he was told not to do that yet he did and now Afghanistan is a whole cluster mess.

Did you hear anything about uprising extremist during Trumps presidency? Me neither.

Are we talking about the deal that freed thousands of Taliban soldiers, including many of those who are causing the violence in Afghanistan and the likely new ruler? Are we talking about the same deal that empowered the Taliban right before the withdrawal?

Biden had the intelligence when the comment was made, Trump did not.

If you are suggesting Trump making a comment when he is NOT the current president and lacks the current intelligence makes him responsible for all of Bidens mistakes related to this, then that is not fair.

Obviously Trump would be speaking from the point in time he had control in this situation and knew where things stood on the ground from all of his sources. Does that really need to be spelled out?

Biden while having full visibility to this information let it happen on his watch. And aside from the local people put our citizens lives at risk also.

Seems silly you can't connect the dots and have to attempt to make this Trumps problem. When Biden has has control over it for how many months now?

You seem to be ignoring the part where Trump said the withdrawal couldn't have been stopped. Are you saying Trump's words are bullshit? Thanks for finally coming around.

 

[smf]

Trump defnitely wouldn't have allowed what happened, there is no way that Afghanistan would've fallen so fast.

It would have played out pretty much the same, the taliban have been waiting for 20 years.

 

[DoubleDate]

Still did not answer the Question
What Language Writing on the Agreement states that..

There are a few links. This one of them:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/29/world/asia/us-taliban-deal.html

It was suppossed to be something different than we mess we are in now.

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Are we talking about the deal that freed thousands of Taliban soldiers, including many of those who are causing the violence in Afghanistan and the likely new ruler? Are we talking about the same deal that empowered the Taliban right before the withdrawal?


You seem to be ignoring the part where Trump said the withdrawal couldn't have been stopped. Are you saying Trump's words are bullshit? Thanks for finally coming around.

The part of the deal was in exchange for 1000 goverment people held by the extremist, that was the reason of the deal and why it came up. The extremist agreed to release 1000 of held hostages of the government forces. Dont know why people dont look more further into it than just thinking thatthey were released for simple just being released, like the US did it on purpose.

 

[smf]

Yet he told the American people 1.5 months ago when people suggested this could be bad, that there is NO WAY it will be bad.

I don't think that is what he said.

U.S. President Joe Biden had said last month that a takeover of Afghanistan by the Taliban was not inevitable after the troop pullout from the country,

Inevitable is 100% chance. All he said was that there was a chance that the Taliban wouldn't take over Afghanistan, not that there was no way they would.

 

[DoubleDate]

It would have played out pretty much the same, the taliban have been waiting for 20 years.

Tell that to Soleimani, one of the most highest generals killed in Iran. Do you think they would've dared to poke him after he didnt bother to take out a high ranking person like that? Trump would've send bombs in until they understood. No way things would've gone like that.

 

[djpannda]

There are a few links. This one of them:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/29/world/asia/us-taliban-deal.html

It was suppossed to be something different than we mess we are in now.

The article just states Trump Promised to Leave the Country and release 5000 Taliban Troops if the Taliban Plays Nice... Thats not a Commitment at al. So You linked an article that states Trump signed withdraw from the Country on "a Dollar and a Dream" Mentality.

 

[smf]

that was the reason of the deal and why it came up.

It seems the republicans are embarrassed about the deal.

https://www.newsweek.com/gop-removes-webpage-praising-trumps-historic-peace-deal-taliban-1619605

There was nothing that Joe Biden could realistically do. Trump knew when he signed it what would happen and that he wouldn't be in office when it did. It's just a re-election ploy.

Trump doesn't care if some Afghans get killed and opportunities are taken away from all the women in the country, as long as he ends up back in the white house. Sad!

Biden actually missed the 135 day deadline set by Trump to remove troops, it shouldn't have been a surprise when the Troops left. The only alternative would have been to send more troops, which Trump had already closed off by accusing Joe Biden being a warmonger earlier in the year.

Trump is the founder of the Taliban, there are no limits to how low he will stoop.

 

[linuxares]

Honestly, any President with the headache that is the Afghanwar would get bad press. Heck Obama wanted them out.
The problem is Afghanistan is not a country really, it's a collective of tribes.

 

[grandgroove]

Four presidents floated this horrid embarrassment - two Democrat, two Republican. This is not partisan. Twenty years, an Iraqi power vacuum that birthed ISIS, Afghanistan completely reclaimed.

To think of all of the death, displacement, permanent change for tens of millions - all for naught - I have no problem admitting that I make it a point not to let the notion go too deep.

Please, please, please - put the personal politics aside on this. It is ultimately an incredibly tragic event that has burned into the face of history, and the US government wildly mismanaged the whole thing.

 

[Lacius]

If this did not happen under Trump there is no reason to think it would have happened under him now and he would have the insight he does not currently have.

Regardless of if the withdrawal could not be stopped, Biden is on the hook for what/how it played out.

You don't also don't seem to understand the definition of "everything" BTW.

How can "everything" be Trumps fault if Biden is ignoring the intelligence and that lead to endangering our people needlessly?

"Biden is on the hook for the withdrawal, even if it was unstoppable." Lol, okay.

There are a few links. This one of them:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/29/world/asia/us-taliban-deal.html

It was suppossed to be something different than we mess we are in now.

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The part of the deal was in exchange for 1000 goverment people held by the extremist, that was the reason of the deal and why it came up. The extremist agreed to release 1000 of held hostages of the government forces. Dont know why people dont look more further into it than just thinking thatthey were released for simple just being released, like the US did it on purpose.

It sounds like you need to do more reading about Trump's negotiations with the Taliban:
https://time.com/5794643/trumps-disgraceful-peace-deal-taliban/

As the article put it, Trump made "concrete concessions in exchange for unenforceable promises from an untrustworthy enemy." If the Trump concessions to the Taliban hadn't happened, there's a good chance the mess that's happening now would have happened much later.

 

[jimbo13]

It's very simple, Trump is a man and if the Taliban had pulled this crap while he was in office they knew they're would of been repercussions. The Taliban knew they could pull this because Biden is a limp wrist-ed beta who needs help to finish his applesauce and he would do nothing.

All of the great peace makers are hard ass's who everyone knows will wipe them out, Carter was laughed at while Nixon got more peace deals done than any other President in modern history.

 

[djpannda]

Five presidents floated this horrid embarrassment - three Democract, two Republican. This is not partisan. Twenty years, an Iraqi power vacuum that birthed ISIS, Afghanistan completely reclaimed.

To think of all of the death, displacement, permanent change for tens of millions - all for naught - I have no problem admitting that I make it a point not to let the notion go too deep.

Please, please, please - put the personal politics aside on this. It is ultimately an incredibly tragic event that has burned into the face of history, and the US government wildly mismanaged the whole thing.

I agree with your statement but there only have then 4 presidents since the start in 2001.. Bush, Obama, Trump, Biden...??

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It's very simple, Trump is a man

So your saying a woman would not be able to do this?

 

[smf]

There’s going to be no circumstance where you see people being lifted off the roof of a embassy in the — of the United States from Afghanistan. It is not at all comparable.

Did you see people lifted off the roof of the embassy?

As far as I know they drove to the airport.

 

[Hanafuda]

It was only three weeks ago that Trump said the following:

"All the troops are coming back home. They couldn’t stop the process. 21 years is enough. Don’t we think? 21 years. They couldn’t stop the process. They wanted to, but it was very tough to stop the process."

So, if Trump is being truthful, everything is his fault, not Biden's.

Nope not even a little bit. US troops needed to get out? Yes absolutely. 21 years was enough? Yes absolutely. It was inevitable, unstoppable that we were going to leave? Yes absolutely.

But did the withdrawal have to be this poorly planned an executed? With tons of fully operational military weapons, ammo, vehicles, and aircraft left behind for the Taliban to use. With thousands of people who had assisted us abandoned to Taliban retribution? With shameful images and video of incompetent withdrawal operations all over the internet, which ARE damaging to national security.

Nope. That's on Biden.

 

[smf]

It's very simple, Trump is a man and if the Taliban had pulled this crap while he was in office they knew they're would of been repercussions.

All reports are that Trump was born with (small) male genitalia, but I'm not sure how that would have made a difference.

Trump would have tweeted the shit out of the Taliban, but I'm not sure how that would have helped either.

With tons of fully operational military weapons, ammo, vehicles, and aircraft left behind for the Taliban to use.

You think the US should have confiscated the Afghanistan army's weapons and vehicles? How would that have helped?

Republican Congressman Adam Kinzinger has hit out at members of his party for trying to present the Taliban takeover of Afghanistan as solely Joe Biden’s fault, warning that “real Americans won’t forget” the Trump administration’s role in the US drawdown in the Middle East.

 

[jimbo13]

Nope not even a little bit. US troops needed to get out? Yes absolutely. 21 years was enough? Yes absolutely. It was inevitable, unstoppable that we were going to leave? Yes absolutely.

But did the withdrawal have to be this poorly planned an executed? With tons of fully operational military weapons, ammo, vehicles, and aircraft left behind for the Taliban to use. With thousands of people who had assisted us abandoned to Taliban retribution? With shameful images and video of incompetent withdrawal operations all over the internet, which ARE damaging to national security.

Nope. That's on Biden.

This ^^. Guarantee you if they were more coked out pictures of Hunter with prostitutes Biden would of remembered to tell someone to burn the paperwork.


What a difference a day makes.

 

[DoubleDate]

"Biden is on the hook for the withdrawal, even if it was unstoppable." Lol, okay.


It sounds like you need to do more reading about Trump's negotiations with the Taliban:
https://time.com/5794643/trumps-disgraceful-peace-deal-taliban/

As the article put it, Trump made "concrete concessions in exchange for unenforceable promises from an untrustworthy enemy." If the Trump concessions to the Taliban hadn't happened, there's a good chance the mess that's happening now would have happened much later.

Im full aware of what its purpose is. Yet in the 4 years thaf he was at the helm not a single one fo then dared to do compromising things because they knew that Trump wouldn't sit quiet and do nothing.

The deal may have been not perfect bit at least he would keep track of the extremist. Now they are all loose on the whole lot doing murdering things left and right.

If you guys keep defending the whole thing why dont you pack and go there? Lets see how long you will stay there wishing to go back to your own comfy place.

Cannot believe that people are still attacking Trump, yet the one who made the whole mess in the first place is Biden. As i said earlier, Kamala Harris is distancing herself from all this hot mess. Why? Its simple, Biden botched it and she doesn't want to take the fall for it.

People cant still explain why during Trumps presidency no extremist dared to do a thing.

Afghanistan was betrayed and left to its mercy, end of story. We could argue all we want the fact is that now innocent people, young girls, woman, men are being murdered or kept as slaves.

All we heard the last few weeks from Biden was: Its unlikely that the extremist will take Afghanistan, decided to leave abruptly leaving high tech behind and well Afghanistan is no longer a safe place for women or men who would like to live their lives freelance.

 

[smf]

Im full aware of what its purpose is. Yet in the 4 years thaf he was at the helm not a single one fo then dared to do compromising things because they knew that Trump wouldn't sit quiet and do nothing.

They did "compromising" things, they just weren't effective as the US had troops there.

Trump set the timescale for removing those troops and made it impossible for Joe Biden to commit more troops.

And now blames Joe Biden for it, that is what a sad loser does.

And you are gaslighting.

 

[djpannda]

Yup soo sad that Some of Presidents Children have become Addicts..
Donald Trump Jr says he "totally understands Addiction"

 

[smf]

With thousands of people who had assisted us abandoned to Taliban retribution? With shameful images and video of incompetent withdrawal operations all over the internet, which ARE damaging to national security.

Are you saying that when the troops left, they should have forcibly removed Afghans who had worked with the US army from their country?