What sources back up the anti-vaccine movement?

[BeniBel]

Edit as some idiot finds the fact my mother died hilarious.

 

[Deleted member 568468]

My 77 year old mother battled cancer for over a year, when she finally beat it. Then, her doctor suggested her to take the vaccin. Two weeks later I was asked to pull the plug on her. So yeah, that's my reason not to get it.

Y'know you and your mother aren't clones? Just because your mother died weeks after taking the jab (was it even proven it was because of the vaccine? sometimes cancer can be a bitch even after you beat it) doesn't mean you're going to die either.

 

[Kurt91]

There's multiple reasons for me and my family.

As for me personally, I had a cancer-removal surgery a couple years ago. As a result of the surgery, I have a weaker immune system than normal and I was told specifically not to get the vaccine. I have a doctor's appointment tomorrow to get the formal medical exemption form filled out.

As for my family members, my sister technically has a government job as a receptionist in a government-run rehab clinic. She was forced to get the vaccine. Shortly after getting the first dose, she started having serious heart issues. As in, having to carry a heart monitor with her everywhere she went for several days. She had never had heart issues before, and they would have come up in the full-body medical scans she had gotten previously for an unrelated condition. (spine issue) On top of that, the typical worst-case side effects hit her and she was bedridden for a while. We had no idea any of this would have happened to her, and in hindsight, getting the vaccine in her case seems to one of the worst things she could have done.

My mother in particular already has heart issues. These are physical issues, not hereditary, so they have nothing to do with my sister's reaction to the vaccine. If my mother has the same or similar reaction to the vaccine as my sister did, chances are incredibly likely that she won't survive.

My grandmother used to work in the local hospital. She's close friends with a majority of the doctors and nurses who still work there. A large number of them are apparently saying that they would rather quit their jobs than be forced to take the vaccine. This makes my grandparents a bit suspicious. After all, everybody's saying listen to the experts, and a majority of the local experts do not want the vaccine.

So yeah, in my case it's a combination of directly told by a doctor (Regardless of what you think of the other reasoning I've posted, I have a damned good reason to listen to my own doctor directly), immediate anecdotal evidence courtesy of my sister, second-hand verification from my grandmother's former co-workers, as well as the addition of what could possibly happen to her in my mother's case.

 

[Deleted member 568468]

I feel like some of you confuse being anti-vaccine and not taking the vaccine because of medical reasons.

 

[subcon959]

I feel like some of you confuse being anti-vaccine and not taking the vaccine because of medical reasons.

It's more often the case they get lumped together by pro-vaccine people. Even if it's not the point of this thread, it's still useful to be reminded why not everyone should be vaccinated.

 

[Deleted member 568468]

It's more often the case they get lumped together by pro-vaccine people. Even if it's not the point of this thread, it's still useful to be reminded why not everyone should be vaccinated.

Again, if there is no medical obstacles, get the jab. Or if you decide to be an asshole and not get the jab simply because "i don't want to, bill gates 5g yada yada" then don't be surprised people don't want to be near you. ESPECIALLY if you're also anti-mask and anti-distance.

Some of us can't really afford getting Covid despite our young age.

 

[XDel]

I'm just ignorant, reckless, and have no concern for the welfare of others. That's my source.

 

[Deleted member 568468]

I'm just ignorant, reckless, and have no concern for the welfare of others. That's my source.

couldn't expect less from someone with such a profile picture

 

[D34DL1N3R]

I think the majority of people claiming medical reasons are completely full of shit. Including the two stories I read on this page alone. BeniBels medial reason is completely unfounded speculation unless they have some actual evidence that it was the fault of the vaccine, and I don't believe a word of Kurts without some factual evidence either. I think you're all talking out of your asses. Prior cancer and a weak immune system are not valid reasons for not being vaccinated and I don't believe any doctor told anyone that.

 

[subcon959]

I think the majority of people claiming medical reasons are completely full of shit. Including the two stories I read on this page alone. BeniBels medial reason is completely unfounded speculation unless they have some actual evidence that it was the fault of the vaccine, and I don't believe a word of Kurts without some factual evidence either. I think you're all talking out of your asses. Prior cancer and a weak immune system are not valid reasons for not being vaccinated and I don't believe any doctor told anyone that.

Unless you're a medical professional I think talking out of your arse also applies to you.

 

[D34DL1N3R]

Unless you're a medical professional I think talking out of your arse also applies to you.

I'm sure by now you're aware of how burden of proof works. Medical claims are being made for reasons to not be vaccinated.. Proof or people are talking out of their ass. I don't need to be the medical professional here, I'm asking for proof from medical professionals.

 

[subcon959]

I'm sure by now you're aware of how burden of proof works. Medical claims are being made for reasons to not be vaccinated.. Proof or people are talking out of their ass. I don't need to be the medical professional here, I'm asking for proof from medical professionals.

Why do you feel entitled to any proof? Do you really think someone is going to give you confidential information about their medical history here?

 

[D34DL1N3R]

Why do you feel entitled to any proof? Do you really think someone is going to give you confidential information about their medical history here?

Do you even know what this topic is about? People are looking for actual verifiable anti-vaxx medical/scientific sources. Not just some one rattling off possible fake information. I can write fake medical history about myself and my family also. I have zero idea what is actually true or not. We're looking for facts, not some random persons non verifiable story. I've had an incredibly weak immune system my entire life, I get sick easier than anyone I've ever known in my life, and both of my parents are cancer survivors. None of us had any reaction to the COVID vaccine. People are talking out of their ass.

 

[subcon959]

Do you even know what this topic is about? People are looking for actual verifiable anti-vaxx sources. Not just some one rattling off possible fake information. I can write fake medical history about myself and my family also. I have zero idea what is actually true or not. We're looking for facts, not some random persons non verifiable story.

Do you really think this is a serious thread? Do you really think there is actual scientific evidence out there that backs up the anti-vaccine movement?

 

[elk1007]

Did anyone read the original posters edit?
This is about anti-vaccine in general; specifically not just present COVID vax hesitance.
Please don't derail the thread by page 2


Anyway, here's a totally serious anti-vax argument.

 

[subcon959]

The OP wants peer reviewed data which is obviously not out there. All evidence is going to be anecdotal at this point, and as I said somewhere else it is entirely human to react strongly to anecdotal evidence, so it's not surprising people jump on board.

The only official reason to not get vaccinated is if you have an allergy to the components of the vaccine. That's why they make you wait afterwards to make sure you don't have anaphylaxis. In some cases, there may be added risk due to autoimmune disease but even that will be something your doctor may voice concern over rather than an official contraindication.

 

[Hanafuda]

Everyone in my home has gotten the vax shots, but some people were opposed to getting anything injected in their bodies that wasnt fully FDA approved and I don't think that's unreasonable. I guess the Pfizer concoction is approved now, and its a traditional vaccine. But the MRNA juices (Moderna, J&J) are still emergency authorization only, right?

 

[KingVamp]

Everyone in my home has gotten the vax shots, but some people were opposed to getting anything injected in their bodies that wasnt fully FDA approved and I don't think that's unreasonable. I guess the Pfizer concoction is approved now, and its a traditional vaccine. But the MRNA juices (Moderna, J&J) are still emergency authorization only, right?

Pfizer is a mRNA vaccine. J&J is the more traditional one.

 

[Hanafuda]

Pfizer is a mRNA vaccine. J&J is the more traditional one.

Ok thx had them mixed up. I got Moderna.

 

[chrisrlink]

remember biden's vaxx target of like 70% of the US by independence day? you need to remember some of these "anti vaxxers" are just butt hurt Trump supporters,they'l still get their flu vaccine in the winter they just want to be defiant bitches (whom i don't care get sick and die from covid not getting any sympathy from me no one bit they all can become worm chow and the US would be a better place)