Austria first country to make Covid vaccine mandatory

[bazamuffin]

we now have covid for 2 years, and (french at least) government still complain about filled hospital, no more bed available, no more equipement, no more workers etc.
2 years....
what did they do in 2 years ? they limited the number of beds, they let workers out, they didn't replace them, they didn't anticipate any new waves of covid or mutation.
They are limiting the number of medical equipment and wonder why hospital are full ?

THEY DIDN'T WORK ON EQUIPPING HOSPITALS TO TREAT THE PATIENTS !
and they complain they can't treat people and put the cause on unvaccinated people, even though France has more than 90% 18yo+ fully vaccinated. but, no, the issue is the unvaccinated ones, not the fact they didn't work on improving their system.


so, my question is, what did they do in two years to prevent that ??
why don't they mention their lack of work or organization ?
no, that's people's fault if they can't treat enough people.

The whole thing is lies, bullshit and contradictory figures. Nothing more than a control mechanism

 

[appleburger]

we now have covid for 2 years, and (french at least) government still complain about filled hospital, no more bed available, no more equipement, no more workers etc.
2 years....
what did they do in 2 years ? they limited the number of beds, they let workers out, they didn't replace them, they didn't anticipate any new waves of covid or mutation.
They are limiting the number of medical equipment and wonder why hospital are full ?

THEY DIDN'T WORK ON EQUIPPING HOSPITALS TO TREAT THE PATIENTS !
and they complain they can't treat people and put the cause on unvaccinated people, even though France has more than 90% 18yo+ fully vaccinated. but, no, the issue is the unvaccinated ones, not the fact they didn't work on improving their system.


so, my question is, what did they do in two years to prevent that ??
why don't they mention they lack of work or organization ?
no, that's people's fault if they can't treat enough people.

You're right in that the world was not prepared for a pandemic, and there were a lot of people calling this out before COVID hit - Bill Gates being the notorious one with his Ted Talk.

That being said, the most effective stop-gap, given our unprepared state, is still vaccinations. And this is a proven observation - not a guess or theory. It's the best option currently available to us.

If you want to place the blame on any individuals for the current state of the pandemic, you could come up with a pretty massive list, but the unvaccinated ARE among them. There's really no way around that. And we had this exact same issue with the spanish flu pandemic. You can find news articles making the same "arguments" people have made today against getting vaccinated.

At least back then they had the excuse of not having the internet.

 

[appleburger]

The whole thing is lies, bullshit and contradictory figures. Nothing more than a control mechanism

You're pure cringe, dude. I can only hope you're a troll.

 

[bazamuffin]

You're pure cringe, dude. I can only hope you're a troll.

Entitled to my opinion, just as every other fucker in here is. I stand by what I say

 

[Cyan]

If you want to place the blame on any individuals for the current state of the pandemic

I'm not blaming anyone, there are already people and world's entities who do that better than me.
I only wonder why the current state of medical hasn't improved in 2 years. (it has a little compared to the first days when nobody knew how to treat people, but they are still missing workers and equipment !)
I'm not arguing about the vaccine itself nor its effect or its help in preventing hospital from filling.

We know pandemics last for years, it can mutate (and no, they don't know that future mutation will be fine with current vaccine, maybe they won't and it will be worse), so they will need to care about the patients, but they don't replace people leaving. they remove beds instead.

of course it costs money, I don't ask to build new hospital everywhere, but they could work on improving the medical system little by littleinstead of complaining. it's not like it's been only 2 month, it's been 2 years and still counting.
If they need space, they take Olympic stadiums, they fill them with tents and medical equipment, etc.
no need to build an hospital. just some "covid treatment center" instead of complaining they don't have enough.
didn't china do that 2 years ago ? they built an entire facility for covid patient in few weeks ! How many other countries did that ?

 

[appleburger]

Entitled to my opinion, just as every other fucker in here is. I stand by what I say

Right - just pointing out that your "opinions" are regurgitated drivel that neckbeard, basement dwelling types who get wrapped into the youtube alt-right community are notorious for saying. Like, to a key. It's cringey.

I feel like a concerned parent when I see your posts.

 

[Dakitten]

That's right. At this stage, most resources should be going towards treatments for those that end up hospitalised. So much more is known now than back when everyone was watching people in Italy on ventilators. There are protocols that have shown very promising results involving mabs, prednisolone and various anti-virals.

And yet, medical professionals still endorse the vaccination first and foremost, since prevention is the best means of handling the issue. Swinging it back around, this is why a mandate is a good idea, so that everyone can be assured that the most effective method of handling the situation is being used and they can live their lives a little less worried about contracting the virus. Otherwise, you deal with folk like...

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The whole thing is lies, bullshit and contradictory figures. Nothing more than a control mechanism

The call is coming from inside your house! The deep state snuck 5g into your vaccine, but since they missed you, now they're slipping the mind control into your taco meat! Tin foil hats are no longer enough, you have to swallow silver until your blood gets blue, which doubles as camo with the enemy! Good work, cringelord soldier, on your initial observation and reporting!

we now have covid for 2 years, and (french at least) government still complain about filled hospital, no more bed available, no more equipement, no more workers etc.
2 years....
what did they do in 2 years ? they limited and decreased the number of beds (doing that for past 10 years), they let workers out, they didn't replace them, they didn't anticipate any new waves of covid or mutation.
They are limiting the number of medical equipment and wonder why hospital are full ?

THEY DIDN'T WORK ON EQUIPPING HOSPITALS TO TREAT THE PATIENTS !
and they complain they can't treat people and put the cause on unvaccinated people, even though France has more than 90% 18yo+ fully vaccinated. but, no, the issue is the unvaccinated ones, not the fact they didn't work on improving their system.


so, my question is, what did they do in two years to prevent that ??
why don't they mention their lack of work or organization ?
no, that's people's fault if they can't treat enough people.

edit:
they are maintaining the sentiment of overflowing cases by not increasing (if not decreasing) the medical care.

My question is how this pertains to the topic, particularly since the best way to keep those beds less full would likely be... a vaccine mandate. If you've got issues with the government's handling of the pandemic, I got a country to endorse with a very bold push towards a solution you might want to look in to!

I’ll take the concession. Obviously vaccination will reduce spread and is highly recommended, I never claimed otherwise and I’m a strong proponent of vaccines - they work, everyone should choose to take them in order to boost their own immunity, thus protecting their own health and the health of others. My comment was strictly referencing people who think we will one day live in a “COVID-free” world, and that’s just not realistic, even if we all vaccinate tomorrow. There will always be new strains to contend with, but the disease will also gradually become less and less of a threat, with the odd crazy mutations being exceptions.

"COVID-Free" MIGHT be impossible, but doing everything we can to manage such a scenario should still be done. I don't mean to rain on your parade, but picking at comments like that does nothing but feed the crazies, such as...

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A communist and a propagandist lecturing others on not following the science and calling them dumb, it'd almost make for a set up for a sitcom if it wasn't so sad that people like these are the possible future of the USA.

What is with the Lacius propagandist claims? I happily wear the title of communist, but propagandist would require a bit of proof to sling around. Also, public enemies to grammar checkers ought naught sling stones from inside their glass houses?

 

[bazamuffin]

Right - just pointing out that your "opinions" are regurgitated drivel that neckbeard, basement dwelling types who get wrapped into the youtube alt-right community are notorious for saying. Like, to a key. It's cringey.

I feel like a concerned parent when I see your posts.

You're entitled to your opinion, not trying to take that from you.

 

[Dakitten]

You're entitled to your opinion, not trying to take that from you.

Their opinion seems to be that your posts show a concerning point of view. Their observation is that you spew a lot of factually incorrect information and bile. Sorry for breaking up the back and forth, just figured you might need the clarification to break the loop.

 

[bazamuffin]

Their opinion seems to be that your posts show a concerning point of view. Their observation is that you spew a lot of factually incorrect information and bile. Sorry for breaking up the back and forth, just figured you might need the clarification to break the loop.

Again, your opinion. I'm not trying to change yours in any way or take it from you. You're entitled to it. Just voicing mine.

 

[Cyan]

My question is how this pertains to the topic,

the link to the topic was that vaccination is being made mandatory to prevent people from having bad "symptoms" and filling hospitals. Not for your health, they care only about hospitals being full and not being able to treat other people and diseases, which is admirable too, I'm not complaining about that.
We all know the vaccine is not curing you from covid, but just not having symptoms, they are pushing people to get vaccinated in order to make some place in the hospitals because they are full.


There is another way to prevent hospital being full, by not firing workers, and equipping them with beds and specialized equipment, or they could put covid people not on hospital but in specifically equipped centers, with hired people formed especially for covid (no need of surgeons!), to make room for other diseases and surgical operations.
How to have free beds : either everyone is vaccinated and don't need beds, or you add beds which could also help in case of future problem!
There is not only one solution, but one at each end of the problem. But government seems to focus only on one and blame the 10% remaining unvaccinated people for that. if you create a shortage on purpose, you can put the blame on others for anything.

 

[appleburger]

Again, your opinion. I'm not trying to change yours in any way or take it from you. You're entitled to it. Just voicing mine.

Your "opinions" are based on obvious falsehoods, so your dealing with a cesspool of baseless opinions founded on faulty logic. It's not like you're sharing something you like or don't like. You're saying something is when it in fact - is not. That sort of thing. Which makes it embarrassing.

 

[bazamuffin]

Your "opinions" are based on obvious falsehoods, so your dealing with a cesspool of baseless opinions founded on faulty logic. It's not like you're sharing something you like or don't like. You're saying something is when it in fact - is not. That sort of thing. Which makes it embarrassing.

I'm not embarrassed one bit. I voiced my opinion and I stand by it. How you interpret that is totally up to you

 

[appleburger]

I'm not embarrassed one bit. I voiced my opinion and I stand by it. How you interpret that is totally up to you

The "interpretation" is pretty outstandingly that you're wrong. It's not matter of opinion, but moreso reality. Glad you can stalwartly stand by complete ignorance, but if you ever want to talk to the big kids in the room, I'd start with some light googling on the topics you're trying to "debate".

 

[bazamuffin]

Your opinion is I'm wrong. There's a difference

 

[appleburger]

Your opinion is I'm wrong. There's a difference

Good one.

 

[Dakitten]

Your opinion is I'm wrong. There's a difference

No, his opinion is that you're embarrassing yourself. You are, in truth, quite wrong on many of your posts. Fact, not opinion.

 

[bazamuffin]

No, his opinion is that you're embarrassing yourself. You are, in truth, quite wrong on many of your posts. Fact, not opinion.

Again, your opinion. You seem more arsed about mine than I am about yours. To me, that's embarrassing.

 

[chrisrlink]

The "interpretation" is pretty outstandingly that you're wrong. It's not matter of opinion, but moreso reality. Glad you can stalwartly stand by complete ignorance, but if you ever want to talk to the big kids in the room, I'd start with some light googling on the topics you're trying to "debate".

gee wish you could be banned for stupidity in this subform

 

[appleburger]

Again, your opinion. You seem more arsed about mine than I am about yours. To me, that's embarrassing.

Do you know the difference between an educated opinion and a non-educated opinion? Or do you think everything anyone says only falls into the category of non-touchable "opinion" and "non-opinion"?

The fact I have to ask this is what makes your posts so cringe, by the way. You seem to lack understanding of how logic or reality works. Almost every post you've made can be easily, and I mean EASILY disproven. That's why I assumed you're likely a troll.