The situation in Ukraine...

[pustal]

See

War is good, because it keeps orange Hitler out of office.

That's right. We can't have that tyrant back in, so let's destroy the world and kill everybody to make sure it doesn't happen!

I'm sorry, a women who does voice over for anime is relevant here because?

2/3 of the UN are supporting Ukraine against Putin to support re-election of the US president in your narrative now?

Attacking a country for wanting to join NATO is an indirect attack to NATO, for starters. As I discussed above with expert sources, the conquest of Ukraine means an explosion of resources and men-power to a country led by a lunatic. Not to mention Putin wanted to once again show weakness in Europe and NATO to increase doubt in it and work towards the Finlandization of Europe and its isolationist counter-inteligence tactics.

Trump was brought into this conversation once for his appraisal of Putin in this dire time, as well as his mouthpieces. You 3 guys have brought him up more times to the conversation than the rest and out of topic.

You are the ones picking on a global tragedy to make the never-ending American political propaganda that Putin so much loved to finance.

 

[Xzi]

With the world united against them, seems morale is at an all-time low for Russian troops:

Some Russian troops are surrendering to Ukrainian forces without a fight as morale drops, US defense official says

Pretty soon the only person left to fight Putin's war will be Putin.

 

[pustal]

With the world united against them, seems morale is at an all-time low for Russian troops:

Some Russian troops are surrendering to Ukrainian forces without a fight as morale drops, US defense official says

Pretty soon the only person left to fight Putin's war will be Putin.

I just hope if he feels the urge to go nuclear that he'll have people inside to stop him.

 

[BitMasterPlus]

Historical precedent: exists
Viri: how can I misconstrue this as leftists wanting war

Considering that the republican party has turned into a fascist group, with trump hitting about 11-13 of the 14 characteristics of fascism (look it up)
with sexism (anti trans, or believing that there is something "wrong" with trans people, or still to this day, gay people) still being rampant
constant usage of scapegoats varying from "the illegals out to take your jobs" to "Social justice warriors out to take your guns" with communist, or leftist, or socialist thrown in between those statements without even consideration.
to a joining of religion and state to a horrifying degree, as church and state should be separated and remained that way.
That original statement (tweet in question)
was more trying to look at the end of the light in the tunnel in a dark period of time, the silverlinging in this mess. rather than "oh good war!"

Jesus man you just joined the site, why don't you wait a while and make more posts before becoming an unlikable asshole who spouts BS? Unless you're just a dummy account created by someone else here.

 

[Viri]

With the world united against them, seems morale is at an all-time low for Russian troops:

Some Russian troops are surrendering to Ukrainian forces without a fight as morale drops, US defense official says

Pretty soon the only person left to fight Putin's war will be Putin.

I mean yeah, they're the aggressors in a war against people that are pretty much their brothers and sisters, and share a lot of history together. Even their languages are very similar.


It would be like being a US solder and being told to invade Canada or the UK, because Canada/UK wanted to make a decision your leaders didn't like. If Russia didn't want Ukraine to join NATO, then, umm, stop invading them? lol

 

[Deleted member 194275]

Pretty soon the only person left to fight Putin's war will be Putin.

If the decision makers were the ones that really suffered the consequences... that would really be awesome...

Anyway, on Sunday on newspaper cover there was a dead soldier (allegedly Russian) burned up in front of a half destroyed building. That really gave me a bad chill on spine, it was one of first things I saw that morning.

The big generals, Putin and other decision makers will not face the fate of that person no matter what. Imperialism is just that, the top guys reap the benefits when the come, but the regular people are the one that face the bad consequences.

 

[Dr_Faustus]

By the way, wasn't today the day that Putin would claim Victory over Ukraine?

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/27/ex-russian-official-putins-plan-is-full-victory-on-march-2

Well, shit. Anyone want to pull out the good ol' Bush "Mission Accomplished" meme?

Jesus man you just joined the site, why don't you wait a while and make more posts before becoming an unlikable asshole who spouts BS? Unless you're just a dummy account created by someone else here.

Hey Pot, meet Kettle!

Seriously though, talking down to someone who just joined here? I am sorry if I might be out of line here or not but nothing is more assholish than shitting on someone who wanted to jump in on the conversation, mainly because it got your political marbles in a twist. Be respectful of others for heavens sake, even if you do not agree with them on the political spectrum.

Inb4 I get dunked on for "backseat moderating".

 

[Dark Ronin]

Please, stop believe in everything that your mass media is telling you. There's not much truth in their "news".
I'm from Russia and I live here. It's kinda funny and yet scary to see you people here judging the situation as if you're standing in a center of it and witness it with your own eyes.
Zelenski, guided by NATO, pushed racism to a higher level with recent Donbass bombardments, leaving Russian goverment no choise but to interfere. And of course no one will ever tell you that, because it puts Nato and ukrainian government in a tight spot.
Do you know how much AK firearms Zelenski threw into mass with no need even for passport or ID? Come and take! Biggest maradeur outbrake ever seen! Hundereds of people shot just by their nationality - Russians, even they're legit UKR citizens! Thousands of houses and appartments got robbed, people killed by own fellow citizens! Do you know all that!? And on top of that he opens up prisons and let criminals take up firearms and walk away for fucking free!!! Hoping they're up to fight Russian squadrons while they really don't. That's your UKR president in a glance.

 

[pustal]

Please, stop believe in everything that your mass media is telling you. There's not much truth in their "news".
I'm from Russia and I live here. It's kinda funny and yet scary to see you people here judging the situation as if you're standing in a center of it and witness it with your own eyes.
Zelenski, guided by NATO, pushed racism to a higher level with recent Donbass bombardments, leaving Russian goverment no choise but to interfere. And of course no one will ever tell you that, because it puts Nato and ukrainian government in a tight spot.
Do you know how much AK firearms Zelenski threw into mass with no need even for passport or ID? Come and take! Biggest maradeur outbrake ever seen! Hundereds of people shot just by their nationality - Russians, even they're legit UKR citizens! Thousands of houses and appartments got robbed, people killed by own fellow citizens! Do you know all that!? And on top of that he opens up prisons and let criminals take up firearms and walk away for fucking free!!! Hoping they're up to fight Russian squadrons while they really don't. That's your UKR president in a glance.

It's kinda sad rather how you are eating all the propaganda Putin's puting out. You want to doubt any news put out by outlets from NATO countries, fine, pick up Al Jazeera, or something from Finland / Sweden.

Wake up, Putin is not your friend. He steals money and resources form his own people, assassinates oppostion either by character or actual assassination, remember Litvinenko and Navalni, and warmongers to feed his oligarch friends.

Putin is a dictator, the news you read will never be free while he is his lackeys like Medvedev are in power. It's ridiculous the suggestion that a dictatorship news feed is to be trusted against a whole world of Democratic news outlets.

You say you are in Russia, you are not in Ukraine either. All you know is the fassade of false flag operations so traditional from Putin. Wake up!

 

[Dark Ronin]

It's kinda sad rather how you are eating all the propaganda Putin's puting out. You want to doubt any news put out by outlets from NATO countries, fine, pick up Al Jazeera, or something from Finland / Sweden.

Wake up, Putin is not your friend. He steals money and resources form its own people, assassinates opostion either by character or actual assassination, remember Navalni and warmongers to feed his oligarch friends.

Putin is a dictator, the news you read will never be free while he is his lackeys like Medvedev are in power. It's ridiculous the suggestion that a dictatorship news feed is to be trusty against a whole world of Democratic news outlets.

You say you are in Russia, you are not in Ukraine either. All you know is the façade of false flag operations so traditional from Putin. Wake up!

Some of my friends at the frontline right now, so I got the information from first hands.
And we DO know who Putin is and what he did and capable of doing. But as of right now, you're the one who dealing with propaganda.
Come to think of it, Russia never had any nazi batallions or squadrons. Not even once. And Ukrainians got at lease two - Dnepr and Azov, that officially recognized by Europe as nazi! And you all just feels perfectly fine about it as long as they're not a threat for you but for a civilians in Donbass\Donetsk\Lugansk. Open your eyes for God's sake. Sitting over the ocean it's hard to really imagine what happened here all these years, while this is "just around the corner" for us Russians. We got friends, relatives in Ukraine and we DO KNOW what really takes place there past these years since Maidan, while your position is heavily depend on mass media and mostly staged by someone.
1. Where were you when US Government bobmarded civilians in Yugoslavia and slew Miloshevich?
2. Where were you when NATO destroys Libia, leaving no rock unturned and sucking their land dry, killing Muammar Kaddhafi?
3. Where were you when your US military set fire in Iraq and punish Saddam Hussain?
4. Siria. Once again, why do you tolerate US involvement?

What I want to say here is US should STFU instead of labeling someone as "aggressor" and "tyrant".

 

[x_sh]

lmao Dark Ronin please go back to whatever troll farm that hired you, it's past midnight in saint petersburg, get some quality sleep or play some video games / install CFW / i don't really care
отрабатываешь методичку на пять с плюсом, что ещё тут скажешь

 

[pustal]

Come to think of it, Russia never had any nazi batallions or squadrons. Not even once. And Ukrainians got at lease two - Dnepr and Azov, that officially recognized by Europe as nazi! And you all just feels perfectly fine about it as long as they're not a threat for you but for a civilians in Donbass\Donetsk\Lugansk.

Russia has a National Bolshevik Party created by a guy that wrote the book on international relations studied by government and military officials.

The Ukrainian government ordered the replacement of volunteer batallions back in 2005 and replaced them with government ones. Kyiv is not responsible for durther actions of extremist groups.

Open your eyes for God's sake. Sitting over the ocean it's hard to really imagine what happened here all these years, while this is "just around the corner" for us Russians. We got friends, relatives in Ukraine and we DO KNOW what really takes place there past these years since Maidan, while your position is heavily depend on mass media and mostly staged by someone.

The ignorance and the thought that we do not have ties with Ukraine shows how in your bubble you are, Ukrainians represent one of the biggest immigration groups in our country (and those numbers are seriously outdated). And trust me, they are not welcoming Russia.

Also, I don't know you think you are talking to, but Portugal is in the same continent as Ukraine and part of Russia.

1. Where were you when US Government bobmarded civilians in Yugoslavia and slew Miloshevich?

Poor Miloshevich , we didn't let him continue his ethnic cleansing, US didn't attach Milosevich, NATO did and we were right there.

2. Where were you when NATO destroys Libia, leaving no rock unturned and sucking their land dry, killing Muammar Kaddhafi?

3. Where were you when your US military set fire in Iraq and punish Saddam Hussain?

4. Siria. Once again, why do you tolerate US involvement?

You see a pattern here? You are weeping for dictators and don't mind massacres, exterminations and ethinc cleansings. I'll give you Iraq, that was a shit show, but everything else? Assad, Miloshevich and Gaddafi - and even Saddam, even though the interventions where misguided, he may not had WMDs but by God he had and used chemical weapons - where murderers.

The US is imperialist, yes, but at least it has nuance. Your government has chosen the anti-humanitarian side over and over again and you are eating all of it.

 

[Dark Ronin]

Time and history will tell. That's all I say for now. Good luck.

 

[AlexMCS]

I hard disagree with war as a means to solve the issue. It should have been done with diplomacy.
Everyone loses from this war, first and foremost, Ukranians, followed by Russians, the rest of Europe and then the rest of the world, since this has economical consequences for everyone, some more than others.

Even a simple assassination (Putin's or Zelensky's), which I'd also not agree with, would have been, at the very least, much better than this war.

As for some of the above mentioned alleged dictators, you will find that a lot (over half) of the people in their country/original country actually like them or think they were in the right. Stockholm effect or not, it's interesting to say the least.

 

[such]

Is this a common sentiment in the US or is it fringe?

Right, I think that's plenty Internet for me for the year.

 

[Xzi]

The big generals, Putin and other decision makers will not face the fate of that person no matter what. Imperialism is just that, the top guys reap the benefits when the come, but the regular people are the one that face the bad consequences.

Dictators like Putin also have a habit of causing themselves to become increasingly isolated over time though, until more of their own people want them dead than alive. Especially when it comes to doubling down on terrible decisions like this. There's a non-zero chance he ends up with a bullet in his head, even if it's by his own hand, and the odds just keep increasing the longer this drags on.

 

[Foxi4]

Please, stop believe in everything that your mass media is telling you. There's not much truth in their "news".
I'm from Russia and I live here. It's kinda funny and yet scary to see you people here judging the situation as if you're standing in a center of it and witness it with your own eyes.
Zelenski, guided by NATO, pushed racism to a higher level with recent Donbass bombardments, leaving Russian goverment no choise but to interfere. And of course no one will ever tell you that, because it puts Nato and ukrainian government in a tight spot.
Do you know how much AK firearms Zelenski threw into mass with no need even for passport or ID? Come and take! Biggest maradeur outbrake ever seen! Hundereds of people shot just by their nationality - Russians, even they're legit UKR citizens! Thousands of houses and appartments got robbed, people killed by own fellow citizens! Do you know all that!? And on top of that he opens up prisons and let criminals take up firearms and walk away for fucking free!!! Hoping they're up to fight Russian squadrons while they really don't. That's your UKR president in a glance.

>Implying that citizens *shouldn’t* be armed

The Ukraine is a poster child for citizens responsibly utilising firearms against foreign aggressors right now. An armed society is a polite society - the fact that most European countries deprived their citizens of the right to bear arms is a modern tragedy. Hopefully events like this will show the utility of allowing citizens to own and operate firearms for the purposes of self-defense.

 

[BitMasterPlus]

By the way, wasn't today the day that Putin would claim Victory over Ukraine?

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/27/ex-russian-official-putins-plan-is-full-victory-on-march-2

Well, shit. Anyone want to pull out the good ol' Bush "Mission Accomplished" meme?



Hey Pot, meet Kettle!

Seriously though, talking down to someone who just joined here? I am sorry if I might be out of line here or not but nothing is more assholish than shitting on someone who wanted to jump in on the conversation, mainly because it got your political marbles in a twist. Be respectful of others for heavens sake, even if you do not agree with them on the political spectrum.

Inb4 I get dunked on for "backseat moderating".

He joined the site and his first post was to respond to me and someone else, so he was asking for it at that point, I just responded back since he wanted to target me first as soon as they joined.

 

[Deleted member 194275]

>Implying that citizens *shouldn’t* be armed

The Ukraine is a poster child for citizens responsibly utilising firearms against foreign aggressors right now. An armed society is a polite society - the fact that most European countries deprived their citizens of the right to bear arms is a modern tragedy. Hopefully events like this will show the utility of allowing citizens to own and operate firearms for the purposes of self-defense.

That's just a bad reading of a gigantic situation in a narrow light of tiny little political flag.

I can come up with something like that for any day to day political view of mine, just like that:

"Ukrainians civilians found an easier route of escape by train rather than by car, while Russian army are exploiting the Ukraine's road system for the sake of their invasion. So this war should teach us to halt investments in cars and invest in trains."

This whole mess should teach us nothing but to being more human and tolerate imperialism less, or not at all. Our domestic little political demands should be treated domestically.

 

[Viri]

Come to think of it, Russia never had any nazi batallions or squadrons. Not even once. And Ukrainians got at lease two - Dnepr and Azov, that officially recognized by Europe as nazi

I'm so confused, why are you even bringing up Nazis? What does that even have to do with anything?


Russia wanting to "liberate" and save ethnic Ger-err Russians sounds a bit like a certain man with a funny mustache. Yet you're randomly bringing up Nazis.