All house republicans except 8, vote against codifying access to birth control

[tabzer]

https://www.ushistory.org/gov/6a.asp

Do you ever read a conversation before you post? All of that has been addressed and more.

I think there's an important distinction to be made here: they didn't attack the capitol because their candidate lost an election.

Imagine for a moment that you're a MAGA Republican, securely nestled in the bosom of Fox "News" and such, and you hear that the election was stolen, and the POTUS (who is still currently in office) is asking you to stop the fraudulently elected candidate from being falsely certified as the election winner. As a patriotic American, you would want to heed the call to save American democracy from destruction.

The scary thing isn't that Trump supporters tried to stop the certification of a legitimate election. The scary thing is that they were so easily fooled into believing it was illegitimate. The Republican rhetoric about Democrats being out to destroy the country and "our way of life" has gotten so pervasive, and the reality distortion field that shuts out any evidence to the contrary has gotten so strong, that all these people were fooled into thinking that they were saving American democracy, when in fact they came dangerously close to destroying a fundamental pillar of it (the peaceful transfer of power). If so many people can so easily and so completely be fooled into believing that, what else can they be fooled into believing in the future? These are dark times for American democracy.

The guy got elected on the foundation that "the government is corrupt". Isn't it just another act of an established plot?

 

[Foxi4]

"It's not propaganda because I believe it."

Well, there’s that and the fact that the generic graph doesn’t feature all the data points because including them all would make it unreadable. There are plenty of sources on the left that are well-within the realm of fairy tales, the graph (predictably) forms a horseshoe when more fully populated. There’s well over a thousand publications in this dataset, we’re only interested in “the mainstream”. Here’s a more populated version from 2018, lifted from Wikipedia (some publications have moved a little since then).

 

[TraderPatTX]

I know, that's the point. It's why republicans want to try to force a baby boom by banning both abortion and contraceptives, there isn't enough desperation to go around for their liking right now. Which means not enough slave labor in privatized prisons, and not enough people willing to risk dying for healthcare and college tuition by joining the military. As far as they're concerned, the "pursuit of happiness" part of the declaration of independence only applies to the ultra rich, and the rest of us peasants should be thankful just to get stomped on.

Can you back up that the reason why republicans want to force a baby boom by banning abortion and contraceptives with a link? Can you do the same with the statement that they believe that the pursuit of happiness only applies to the ultra rich?

In fact, can't you back up any of what you just said with factual sources?

I am intrigued to know where you get your conspiracy theories from.

 

[dazindude]

I really don't care about your immature emotions.

Nobody has been lynched in this country in a 100 years, unless you count Jussie Smollett.

You people think babies are parasites because you don't understand the definition of parasite or baby. It's obvious you people hate science.

This is completely untrue lynchings in the united states definitely were happening well into the 1960s. Also most people would describe Ahmaud Arbery's killing as a modern lynching.

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[LainaGabranth]

"It's not propaganda because I believe it."

Quit being loose with definitions. Propaganda is a distinct term that explicitly is meant to invoke a specific response. Just because you're an epistemic nihilist doesn't mean the world functions that way.

 

[g00s3y]

Okay x I'm tired right now. WTF does 'codifying access to birth control' mean?

Going by replies, i take it they want to somehow prevent the free market to provide birth control to whomever needs it, but i can't really make it out.


You're wrong. Just because you perceive everyone else as being too dumb/ugly/lonely to ever engage in sexual activities doesn't mean you're perception is correct.

Fuck... I bet at least 78% of the mature users are already 'doing it'. But by our comment, I presume you're not among those.

Well if I'm not having sex, I guess I need to take my 8 year old to Maury and find out the truth. Maybe the past 11 years of my relationship have been a lie, and and I was just imagining things... Hell, i'm 36, so maybe I was just imagining things in every relationship for over half my life?

78% of mature users

Which probably equates to about 300 people out of the thousands on this board. Maybe one day you can join those ranks.

 

[tabzer]

Quit being loose with definitions. Propaganda is a distinct term that explicitly is meant to invoke a specific response. Just because you're an epistemic nihilist doesn't mean the world functions that way.

Lol. You aren't the world and I'm not being loose with the definition. Just because I think you said something stupid doesn't mean I hate knowledge.

 

[LainaGabranth]

Lol. You aren't the world and I'm not being loose with the definition. Just because I think you said something stupid doesn't mean I hate knowledge.

He says, posting a link to yet talking head telling him what to think. You aren't the owner of your own thoughts.

 

[tabzer]

He says, posting a link to yet talking head telling him what to think. You aren't the owner of your own thoughts.

You seem to think you are pointing out irony. If you are making a case against intellectual property, I'd might agree with you.

Also, characterizing Noam Chomsky as a "yet talking head" is a bit funny. I disagree with him on some occasions, but his suggestion that the US media is more censored than the USSR was is pretty relevant to your whole "I know what the world is like and it's leftist" fantasy.

 

[Xzi]

If anything, having that option makes it easier to run, not harder.

Not an option, a requirement. And it makes it impossible to get elected on a platform that's actually focused on improving the lives of constituents above all else.

There was no insurrection, as per the FBI report regarding Jan 6th, and protesting doesn’t require rioting.

There was an attempted insurrection that fell flat on its face. We have corroborated testimony that Trump himself wanted to be there leading the charge. As for peacefully protesting police brutality, it's never worked in the past, and it's not about to start working now. Even after all the riots they continue to murder people in cold blood, so they clearly didn't get the fucking message. It also makes zero difference who holds federal office at any given time, pigs gonna oink.

In the same post you’re arguing for and against revolutions, both imaginary. It’s kind of amusing.

Installing a fascist dictator would not be revolution, it would be the ultimate submission to the status quo and the whims of the oligarchs.

 

[Deleted member 194275]

I'm just reading this piece of news, and it is natural, there are political opinions here, but I'd like to call attention to one vital thing right now.

the news reads: "All house republicans except 8, vote against codifying access to birth control". This means minority of the house, so the bill was approved, no big deal right now.

What is important here is that, at least with info I have down here, on next congress election an electoral massacre (figuratively speaking) will take place in favor of Republicans, so those kinds of bills would be rejected with ease. Also the Republican party will have the power to lock federal administration budget wise like happened before.

I read this news as a tease on what will happen in the USA starting 2023. Everybody has a political view, but I see instability as a given at this point. Sadly it will be painful.

 

[Xzi]

the news reads: "All house republicans except 8, vote against codifying access to birth control". This means minority of the house, so the bill was approved, no big deal right now.

It also means it's DOA in the Senate though. At best the public reaction to this bullshit might delay Republicans' attacks on access to contraception some, but it definitely won't be the end of them. Clarence Thomas already gave up the game where that's concerned, and he's as much a partisan mouthpiece for the party as Trump is at this point.

 

[tabzer]

There was an attempted insurrection

Yeah, sorry, that was me. I slept in that day and forgot to show up.

 

[Dr_Faustus]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ntrol-republicans-join-democrats/10117979002/

Can I even be surprised?
"The eight Republicans who voted in favor of codifying contraceptive access are Reps. Liz Cheney of Wyoming, Brian Fitzpatrick of Pennsylvania, Anthony Gonzalez of Ohio, John Katko of New York, Adam Kinzinger of Illinois, Nancy Mace of South Carolina, Maria Salazar of Florida and Fred Upton of Michigan.

The House's final tally of 228-195 was largely along party lines."

They would have probably been all on board with making it a thing as long as it would be not covered under any form of US health insurance and you would have to pay out of pocket direct from the pharm to get them. Making it near impossible for most women to get access to it in the first place.

In otherwords if they basically did what they did to Obamacare.

 

[LainaGabranth]

Republicans are straight up anti-American lmao

 

[tabzer]

Republicans are straight up anti-American lmao

By what standard is America American?

If you think the way that I think you are thinking, then you'd might consider all career politicians to be leveraging America for their own gain. It's the American way. Based on the rhetoric I've seen about the justification for sanctions, their persistence is kind of your own fault, no?

 

[AleronIves]

So yeah, they thought they were doing the right thing. Should that mean they get away with it?

Where did I say that they should get away with it? To my knowledge, the DOJ has prosecuted many of the people who stormed the US Capitol. The people who attended the protest but didn't participate in the riot broke no laws. Yes, they were protesting an election theft that didn't happen, but protesting nonsense is still legal.

If the goal is to restore American democracy, rather than to vilify your political opponents, then it's better to extend an olive branch to those people and say, "Well, you got tricked. It can happen to the best of us. Let's get back to normal political activity, like arguing about the budget, OK?"

Whether you like it or not, "the other side" still makes up around half the country, so you have to work with your political opponents if you want the government to function.

 

[Dark_Ansem]

It’s a biased rag, but you can read it if you want.

It's better than anything you read.

It says what I quoted.

It does, but not your interpretation of it. As usual.

It doesn’t matter what you meant, it’s the same datasets.

The dataset doesn't agree with your claim.

 

[Foxi4]

It's better than anything you read.

You don’t know what I read.

It does, but not your interpretation of it. As usual.

It’s a direct quote. I bolded the key points for you.

The dataset doesn't agree with your claim.

You can’t simultaneously believe that the dataset is adequate to determine partisanship on Twitter, but not adequate to establish partisanship in mass media. Either the dataset is accurate or it isn’t. Seeing that both sets are pretty close, I’m going to say it’s accurate and you’re just bloviating because I caught you with your foot in your mouth.

Not an option, a requirement. And it makes it impossible to get elected on a platform that's actually focused on improving the lives of constituents above all else.

You can self-fund, not to mention that anyone can start a PAC.

There was an attempted insurrection that fell flat on its face. We have corroborated testimony that Trump himself wanted to be there leading the charge. As for peacefully protesting police brutality, it's never worked in the past, and it's not about to start working now. Even after all the riots they continue to murder people in cold blood, so they clearly didn't get the fucking message. It also makes zero difference who holds federal office at any given time, pigs gonna oink.

There wasn’t. The FBI found scant evidence of any kind of planning or forethought, it was a spontaneous riot. Even mainstream media is distancing itself from using the term “insurrection” because what happened doesn’t fulfil the legal definition, they call it the Capitol riot because that’s what it was. Calling it anything else makes you sound foolish.

Installing a fascist dictator would not be revolution, it would be the ultimate submission to the status quo and the whims of the oligarchs.

That’s literally how every revolution in the 20th century turned out, but don’t worry - I understand your point. It’s only a revolution when you like the guy, fair. Thankfully this one is equally imaginary as your hypothetical scenario which will never come to pass either.

 

[Deleted member 586536]

There was no insurrection, as per the FBI report regarding Jan 6th, and protesting doesn’t require rioting.

ummm. wow.


Like really?
We also should probably establish that records had been tampered, since the secret service, literately had data deleted, relating to the 6th. Which, they are the kinds of people to be records keeping, which is I can't believe I'm going to say this (mild cringe)
Is incredibly sus.
edit:
Or how about Trump saying that "Maybe he deserves it"