Accidentally clicked on Tinfoil on SYSNAND a few hours ago. Going for a NAND restore on Hekate. Precautions?

[GabCupim]

Been using EMUNAND for offline pirated and a 100% clean SYSNAND for stock online gaming for months.

However, since Pokemon Scarlet/Violet, I've been running the original cartridge in SYSNAND mode for the overclock (it helps a lot since the game performs so poorly)
I've played it online a few days, and since I had a clean SYSNAND, everything was ok.

PROBLEM IS:
I just completely forgot I was on SYSNAND and opened tinfoil and intalled a game this afternoon.
I realized the mistake and deleted it a few minutes later, and haven't connected to Nintendo after this.

Fact is, I know it's a guaranteed well placed ban the next time I connect online, so I'm gonna try a clean NAND restore through hekate (I have a backup on my PC)

I know it's not guaranteed to avoid the ban, but it's the best I've got, I think.


Any tips to avoid any flagging, from anyone who tried and succeeded avoiding the ban?

> Already deleted the previous "Nintendo" folder from the SD card, so that the restored sysnand find no traces of the dirty one.
> Backed up my Pokemon Violet save using JKSV
> backup already on the SD card and waiting to go.
> backup was made on firmware 13.1, and I'm running 15.1 now (might have a problem with that?)

Wish me luck!
(will post aftermath on the next few days from tomorrow on)

Post automatically merged: Dec 6, 2022

UPDATE:

Seems it worked!
For anyone interested, this is what I've done:


> Restored the clean nand backup through hekate

> Booted into sysnand (incognito) and updated my OFW from 13.1 to 15.1 via AOI updater (thought it was safer through here than via official Nintendo firmware update, since I had already updated once it would look suspicious to update again)

> Installed Pokemon Violet original cartridge again (still on incognito sysnand)

> Booted in the OFW and updated the game

> Booted into Sysnand incognito again, and restored my save through JKSV. Played for a while, overwrited the backup save via common game saving
> Booted into OFW again, took a deep long breath, and connected online. WORKS (eshop, online playing, etc etc)

Hope it wasn't flagged somehow, but I guess we'll soon know about that.
Will post again in a few days.

Any tips regarding the subject would still be appreciated!

 

[xldon2lx]

You're over worrying stuff. I was doing everything on sysnand for years(probably 3 years) on my unpatched switch. I only used emunand when I moved to atmosphere and decide to purchase multiplayer games. and today I can still go online with a nintendo online subscription without any issues.

 

[Ryab]

Been using EMUNAND for offline pirated and a 100% clean SYSNAND for stock online gaming for months.

However, since Pokemon Scarlet/Violet, I've been running the original cartridge in SYSNAND mode for the overclock (it helps a lot since the game performs so poorly)
I've played it online a few days, and since I had a clean SYSNAND, everything was ok.

PROBLEM IS:
I just completely forgot I was on SYSNAND and opened tinfoil and intalled a game this afternoon.
I realized the mistake and deleted it a few minutes later, and haven't connected to Nintendo after this.

Fact is, I know it's a guaranteed well placed ban the next time I connect online, so I'm gonna try a clean NAND restore through hekate (I have a backup on my PC)

I know it's not guaranteed to avoid the ban, but it's the best I've got, I think.


Any tips to avoid any flagging, from anyone who tried and succeeded avoiding the ban?

> Already deleted the previous "Nintendo" folder from the SD card, so that the restored sysnand find no traces of the dirty one.
> Backed up my Pokemon Violet save using JKSV
> backup already on the SD card and waiting to go.
> backup was made on firmware 13.1, and I'm running 15.1 now (might have a problem with that?)

Wish me luck!
(will post aftermath on the next few days from tomorrow on)

Post automatically merged: Dec 6, 2022

UPDATE:

Seems it worked!
For anyone interested, this is what I've done:


> Restored the clean nand backup through hekate

> Booted into sysnand (incognito) and updated my OFW from 13.1 to 15.1 via AOI updater (thought it was safer through here than via official Nintendo firmware update, since I had already updated once it would look suspicious to update again)

> Installed Pokemon Violet original cartridge again (still on incognito sysnand)

> Booted in the OFW and updated the game

> Booted into Sysnand incognito again, and restored my save through JKSV. Played for a while, overwrited the backup save via common game saving
> Booted into OFW again, took a deep long breath, and connected online. WORKS (eshop, online playing, etc etc)

Hope it wasn't flagged somehow, but I guess we'll soon know about that.
Will post again in a few days.

Any tips regarding the subject would still be appreciated!

You are overreacting a bit. I highly doubt you would get any kind of ban for that.

 

[binkinator]

opened tinfoil and intalled a game

I thought that ^^ was an instant flagging.

What are you guys seeing as the saving grace that’s going to prevent this from becoming a console ban?

 

[ghjfdtg]

Cheating in online games or installing warez is a dead giveaway and may result in a ban sooner or later. Not sure if deleting the warez title *and* ticket before going online will change that. But running homebrew via title override or album applet should be safe.

 

[Ryab]

I thought that ^^ was an instant flagging.

What are you guys seeing as the saving grace that’s going to prevent this from becoming a console ban?

You are at basically zero risk unless you try to play the game. Even then offline play of those games isnt that risky.

 

[GabCupim]

You are overreacting a bit. I highly doubt you would get any kind of ban for that.

I remember reading somewhere that you can use homebrew on sysnand just fine, but you surely can't install Tinfoil on it, can you? Heard it sorta instabans you when you have Tinfoil installed and connect to NIntendo

 

[Ryab]

I remember reading somewhere that you can use homebrew on sysnand just fine, but you surely can't install Tinfoil on it, can you? Heard it sorta instabans you when you have Tinfoil installed and connect to NIntendo

Yeah pretty much. Title installs are a quick way to get banned. But just applet homebrew tends to be fine.

 

[binkinator]

Yeah pretty much. Title installs are a quick way to get banned. But just applet homebrew tends to be fine.

Do you consider Tinfoil just applet homebrew? It shows up as an NSP and is managed by System Settings…along with the rest of your legit games.

 

[Ryab]

Do you consider Tinfoil just applet homebrew? It shows up as an NSP and is managed by System Settings…along with the rest of your legit games.

I did say installed titles was a no-go and well I assume that would obviously rule out title installers.

 

[binkinator]

I did say installed titles was a no-go and well I assume that would obviously rule out title installers.

Using a title installer (Tinfoil) that must be installed to the *nand is exactly what was done and being asked about. Well, that and subsequently installing a title using said application. I guess we will know soon enough if this counts as a flag.

 

[kidkat210]

Using a title installer (Tinfoil) that must be installed to the *nand is exactly what was done and being asked about. Well, that and subsequently installing a title using said application. I guess we will know soon enough if this counts as a flag.

Tinfoil doesn't have to be installed, it is the most common way of using it but Tinfoil does have its own option to be ran like all other homebrew from hbmenu

 

[Ryab]

Using a title installer (Tinfoil) that must be installed to the *nand is exactly what was done and being asked about. Well, that and subsequently installing a title using said application. I guess we will know soon enough if this counts as a flag.

Generally from what I have seen bans tend to be linked to launching installed titles from the home screen.

 

[binkinator]

Tinfoil doesn't have to be installed, it is the most common way of using it but Tinfoil does have its own option to be ran like all other homebrew from hbmenu

OP specifically mentioned having Tinfoil installed and I made the leap that by “install” they meant the recommended route of the installable .nro or the second most common .nsp method but you’re right, they could have gone with the 3rd option of using the neutered .nro applet which is defo less risky.

I remember reading somewhere that you can use homebrew on sysnand just fine, but you surely can't install Tinfoil on it, can you? Heard it sorta instabans you when you have Tinfoil installed and connect to NIntendo

Even if everyone in this thread says it’s 100% safe I’m still going to go out on my own limb and say that installing Tinfoil and going Online is not a best practice and will likely get you banned.

I reserve the right to be wrong and become known as the foaming at the mouth idiot who doesn’t know what he’s talking about. :-)

 

[The_Chaotician]

I would check out the remove orphaned files option in DBI too. If you’ve accidentally installed something you shouldn’t have, it will clear up any installed tickets left behind that aren’t deleted when you delete the problem software.

May help reduce your chances of a ban when you go online again.