Far Right Presidential Candidate Wins in Argentina

[jomaper]

Not fast enough, by the look of things. I’m not “following” any system, I’m not Argentinian. That being said, you’re making some big claims in regards to the legality of the police response that I’m not sure you can support, given your penchant for exaggeration. I’d have to look into those incidents myself in order to make an accurate assessment.

Do whatever you want. Why are you even in this thread? You added literally nothing

 

[Foxi4]

Do whatever you want. Why are you even in this thread? You added literally nothing

The thread is of interest to me. Protests are to be expected when dealing with such a sharp and rapid turn in overall policy. Here’s for hoping things settle down quick. It seems the administration warned beforehand that they will be deploying these measures in order to prevent piquete-style protests and street blockades. I’m reading that the state is planning to bill the protesters themselves for the deployment of security forces - a pretty novel concept.

 

[jomaper]

The thread is of interest to me. Protests are to be expected when dealing with such a sharp and rapid turn in overall policy. Here’s for hoping things settle down quick. It seems the administration warned beforehand that they will be deploying these measures in order to prevent piquete-style protests and street blockades. I’m reading that the state is planning to bill the protesters themselves for the deployment of security forces - a pretty novel concept.

Except there were no piquetes nor street blockades. In fact the police blocked the streets infinitely more, specially on the march of december 20, a march they do ever year in commemoration of those killed by the police in 2001 during protests.
What's even sadder is that they announced they'll be charging organized movements who weren't even there, just because this new government seems to thrive on inventing shit. Just like when the presidential spokesman said they cancelled a 2 million dollar insurance for some art in the presidential home, only for the previous spokeswoman to debunk that by clarifying it was actually 2 million pesos, 2 thousand dollars per year. And that it was already paid for.

 

[Foxi4]

Except there were no piquetes nor street blockades. In fact the police blocked the streets infinitely more, specially on the march of december 20, a march they do ever year in commemoration of those killed by the police in 2001 during protests.
What's even sadder is that they announced they'll be charging organized movements who weren't even there, just because this new government seems to thrive on inventing shit. Just like when the presidential spokesman said they cancelled a 2 million dollar insurance for some art in the presidential home, only for the previous spokeswoman to debunk that by clarifying it was actually 2 million pesos, 2 thousand dollars per year. And that it was already paid for.

Like I said, I hope things come out in the wash. I’m looking through the Twitter threads you linked and the sentiment seems to be split, which is to be expected.

 

[jomaper]

Like I said, I hope things come out in the wash. I’m looking through the Twitter threads you linked and the sentiment seems to be split, which is to be expected.

Twitter is basically the place where libertarians based their whole platform on. If you see it split, then take it much more in favour of the current opposition.

 

[Foxi4]

Twitter is basically the place where libertarians based their whole platform on. If you see it split, then take it much more in favour of the current opposition.

You say that, but according to a DC Consultores survey Milei’s measures were met with 71% approval, and 75% support the anti-piqueting protocol. That’s not “libertarian Twitter”, that’s Argentinian gen pop.

https://www.impulsobaires.com.ar/am...l-el-71-respalda-el-dnu-del-presidente-milei/

 

[jomaper]

You say that, but according to a DC Consultores survey Milei’s measures were met with 71% approval, and 75% support the anti-piqueting protocol. That’s not “libertarian Twitter”, that’s Argentinian gen pop.

https://www.impulsobaires.com.ar/am...l-el-71-respalda-el-dnu-del-presidente-milei/

Right, and I can counter that with this one https://www.eldestapeweb.com/politi...re-la-poca-tolerancia-al-ajuste-2023122121210 and the discussion will never end because biased surveys are a thing. Not a single survey hit the nail on the head regarding who would win each presidential election stage. They're just propaganda machines.

 

[Foxi4]

Right, and I can counter that with this one https://www.eldestapeweb.com/politi...re-la-poca-tolerancia-al-ajuste-2023122121210 and the discussion will never end because biased surveys are a thing. Not a single survey hit the nail on the head regarding who would win each presidential election stage. They're just propaganda machines.

I mean… according to your survey, about half of respondents are willing to make sacrifices and 83% are willing to endure around a year. I don’t think it supports your point of view very well - I fully expected 72.3% to say that the adjustments will be paid for by the citizens because the harsh reality of the matter is that they will, that’s inevitable. I think we started this exchange with me saying that hard times are ahead and recession is inevitable. Everybody can feel it coming, it won’t be a surprise to anyone.

 

[Dark_Ansem]

We will see. Tolerance for a future hardship decrears exponentially the closer said sacrifice gets.

 

[Foxi4]

We will see. Tolerance for a future hardship decrears exponentially the closer said sacrifice gets.

I wouldn’t know. The last time my country suffered from inflation like that the communists were still in charge. Lots of funny stories for another time.

 

[shunoia]

I hope Milei instantly does deep cuts to the social services and closes the ministries so they can quickly fill up the Reserves again

 

[jomaper]

3 people together in a public space will be considered a "manifestation" and can be repressed. Yeah, we're going to be fine.

 

[tabzer]

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3 people together in a public space will be considered a "manifestation" and can be repressed. Yeah, we're going to be fine.

ARTICLE 331.- Meeting or demonstration. For the purposes of this Chapter of the law, "gathering" or
"demonstration" is understood to be the intentional and temporary congregation of three (3) or more people in a public
space for the purpose of exercising the rights referred to herein.

Sounds like a definition. What's the context of "repression"? Are we still talking about doing it in the streets?

 

[Xzi]

Sounds like a definition. What's the context of "repression"? Are we still talking about doing it in the streets?

Sounds like they left the law purposefully vague so Milei can use it against any opposition group or just people he doesn't like.

 

[tabzer]

Sounds like they left the law purposefully vague so Milei can use it against any opposition group or just people he doesn't like.

Why would @jomaper do that? "Herein" indicates there is more information.

 

[Xzi]

Why would @jomaper do that? "Herein" indicates there is more information.

"For the purpose of exercising the rights referred to herein" means the right to protest, but it's a moot point if any gathering of three or more people in public can be labeled an unlawful protest by the government without evidence.

 

[Dark_Ansem]

Ok look milei is about to wholesale lithium to Musk, nothing says libertarian like underselling at a failure

 

[tabzer]

"For the purpose of exercising the rights referred to herein" means the right to protest, but it's a moot point if any gathering of three or more people in public can be labeled an unlawful protest by the government without evidence.

I'm asking for a reference to "the rights referred to herein". It doesn't say that a gathering of three or more is an unlawful protest. It's clarifying the terms of "gathering" and "demonstration" for subsequent articles/literature that clarify rights--which are missing from the post.

I'm starting to understand you more. You are doing the best that you can.

 

[Foxi4]

Ok look milei is about to wholesale lithium to Musk, nothing says libertarian like underselling at a failure

Sounds like he’s building an export base in the Chilean model. It would be good for the country to become a major exporter, and halving the value of the currency to better reflect its real value was the first step. This seems to be the second.

 

[Dark_Ansem]

We will see.