For strong womyn everywhere: "Internet Plus Equality"

[bkifft]

So I was forwarded this and it reminded me of the jeans for fat people thing however long ago
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Short verrsion:"pink tax". Unlike the ginourmous pay gap this is significant, but I stil can't understand how women are forced to buy "for woman" products.

 

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One of the reason women's products are usually more expensive than men's products is because women's products such as deodorant generally have more ingredients in then than the male equivalent of the product. Another reason is that sometimes women's products tend to need more research to create them than men's products do.

Also if you go and buy cheapo hygiene related products from the drug store, then men's and women's products are more likely to be around the same price, so if it pisses you off so much, do your shopping at London Drugs or something and get the shitty products instead. :^)

 

[ric.]

One of the reason women's products are usually more expensive than men's products is because women's products such as deodorant generally have more ingredients in then than the male equivalent of the product. Another reason is that sometimes women's products tend to need more research to create them than men's products do.

Also if you go and buy cheapo hygiene related products from the drug store, then men's and women's products are more likely to be around the same price, so if it pisses you off so much, do your shopping at London Drugs or something and get the shitty products instead. :^)

too long didn't read lol
i bet the patriarchy did this

 

[FAST6191]

One of the reason women's products are usually more expensive than men's products is because women's products such as deodorant generally have more ingredients in then than the male equivalent of the product. Another reason is that sometimes women's products tend to need more research to create them than men's products do.

I would come down on the "something is worth what someone else is willing to pay" side of things here, that however sounds like I am going to need to see some bill of material* numbers attempt to justify that one first. I do not have the greatest basis in this (I had a chat with someone in a makeup company once, though it was more about industrial chemistry and the markups involved than gender differences in the products) but I would be shocked if the recipe variations did not come down to fractional differences, and still be dwarfed by paying for the label tax. R&D costs? If you had said costs spent on marketing I might have believed that, and again it would likely be multiple times R&D,

*my favourites for makeup/related products is usually when they try to sell them with an actual medically sound ingredient... a concentration far lower than any such application would need.

 

[FAST6191]

So I was scanning through the websites of various engineering institutions (the engineering council maintains a list http://www.engc.org.uk/about-us/our-partners/professional-engineering-institutions ) and not only did I discover that the UK Engineering council endorses an IT focused institution ( http://www.bcs.org/category/11284 but apparently you can be a chartered IT scientist via them for over a decade now, though a lesser thing they dub registration has only been available for a few months at this point. There is still the question of how valuable such a thing is but even though I had not heard of it before now I would still rate it more highly than a CCNA) but I thought I would have a scan of some of the codes of ethics for a few of them.
There was never word one said of ethics in any schooling I ever took, give or take about a paragraph on the possible legal implications of reverse engineering (though the words were never said it would later be what I would recognise as the idea of clean room reverse engineering) and some boilerplate text about criminal and similar convictions when signing up, and it had been a while since I read any such codes for institutions*. Since I last read them it seems many of them got bitten by a rabid hippy and now include substantial sections on environmental issues and sustainability as well as more defined sections on bribery, in some cases though they also include some things that might make it relevant to viewers of this thread though I also found some stuff that I found curious.

*most of them post vacancies and nice reports, results of conferences for the public to read. Personally I felt the competence sections too restrictive for the "I will have a look"/triage/rapid deployment/rapid fixing things I tend to involve myself in so joining was not something I could do. Among friends and associates... I actually think unions are commonly joined things these days and so few people seem to join those.

https://www.imeche.org/docs/default...e-royal-charter-and-by-laws-2014.pdf?sfvrsn=0 (page 31-36). Mechanical engineering likely being the biggest field by some amount, give or take what sort of fight those doing aerospace/aeronautical engineering want to pick ( http://aerosociety.com/Assets/Docs/Membership/CodeOfConduct.pdf which reads like most I would expect).
"Members shall not knowingly mislead, nor allow others to be misled, in engineering matters"
This one has me curious. I quite often go to car boot sales, autojumbles and such like to see what is there. Time and time again I hear "well they were my dad's tools" and as a rule of thumb children of engineers do not become engineers then they might have no clue what a lot of it is and make offers far below what they could get. I am then getting a fairly impressive toolkit and supplies for a fraction of what it "should" cost. I am never misleading (closest I ever get is "It is too far gone for my liking") and never say something is broken when it is not but there have been a few occasions where I have had some very good fortune.

http://www.bcs.org/category/6030 (the IT on mentioned in the opening)
I would note that section 1 has
"d) promote equal access to the benefits of IT and seek to promote the inclusion of all sectors in society wherever opportunities arise."

http://www.iom3.org/code-conduct
Curious one there
"Where appropriate, this may include access to the knowledge and experience of others, or access to other relevant sources of knowledge, in addition to the member’s own knowledge and experience. In so doing, they must pay due regard to the laws on copyright, and the rights of intellectual property."

Some have resisted the creep of legalese, mainly by being a marginal rewording of the engineering council's basic format ( http://www.engc.org.uk/standards-guidance/guidance/statement-of-ethical-principles/ ).
http://www.icme.org.uk/code-of-conduct.asp
Closest there being a rather nebulous "To treat all persons fairly and with respect." Similar for welding http://issuu.com/twiltd/docs/professional_rules_and_code_of_cond and another curious one in "act honourably, responsibly and lawfully so as to uphold the reputation, standing and dignity of the profession;" for non destructive testing ( http://www.bindt.org/membership/for-individuals/code-of-conduct/ ).

Curiously the physics and engineering in medicine one ( http://www.ipem.ac.uk/AboutIPEM/JoinIPEM/ProfessionalConduct.aspx , click the bold text, or at time of writing then http://www.ipem.ac.uk/Portals/0/Doc... Code of Professional and Ethical Conduct.pdf ) was quite far from other medical oaths, things which tend to be taken quite seriously in the medical world.

I was debating whether to make this its own thread but I will go here for now.

 

[Veho]

 

[Feeling it!]

The moderators are the only sane people that make sense.

 

[Foxi4]

I love the term. It harkens back to good old Dick Masterson.



"Women line up to date guys like me."
"I'd be at the back of that line."
"If you hit the treadmill a little more you'd be at the front."

;O; ;O; ;O;

www.MenareBetterthanWomen.com

Please put up the billboard. ;O;

 

[Feeling it!]

I love the term. It harkens back to good old Dick Masterson.



"Women line up to date guys like me."
"I'd be at the back of that line."
"If you hit the treadmill a little more you'd be at the front."

;O; ;O; ;O;

www.MenareBetterthanWomen.com

Please put up the billboard. ;O;

XD

 

[Veho]

Okay then.

 

[Veho]

 

[Luglige]

https://github.com/ErisBlastar/cplusequality

"brainfuck.Xe -- a Brainfuck interpreter that obeys feminist logic
* and is free of any cisgendered, male, heteronormative, white or any
* other oppressive bias.
"
Oh God.

 

[bkifft]

https://github.com/ErisBlastar/cplusequality

"brainfuck.Xe -- a Brainfuck interpreter that obeys feminist logic
* and is free of any cisgendered, male, heteronormative, white or any
* other oppressive bias.
"
Oh God.

github didn't manage to ban all C+= forks? nice.

 

[VinsCool]

Even without context you can tell she is just frothing with feminist rage.

Context if you were wondering.

 

[Veho]

 

[Veho]

 

[brickmii82]

Peppering through this thread has me

Seriously, I knew better. Stupid curiosity!!

 

[FAST6191]

Seen in the park earlier today

 

[BurningDesire]

Seen in the park earlier today

Broken image

 

[FAST6191]

Worked here but reuploaded anyway.