Iranian scientist claims to have invented device that can "predict the future"

[Rockym]

And at the same time (hah!) he's coming from that past's future. Why would one reference frame be more valid than the other? To the people in the past, he's coming from the future. How is that possible if the future hasn't happened yet? And how do you know you're not in someone else's past?

Well, that's the problem with time travel, endless paradoxes. That's why time travel discussion can get so confusing sometimes. Different theories and all that.

 

[Deleted member 194275]

I saw the future, and I got some bad news, they will make sequels for Fighting Force, Daikatana and Prince of Persia and 8 years from now the website: http://www.crown3ds.com/ still on 72%

 

[Taleweaver]

5 to 8 years in the future, right?

*checks the warranty on that device*

HOW CONVENIENT!!!

 

[TheCasketMan]

We already have one

 

[Rydian]

Funny, I always thought traveling back in time was more possible than travelling to the future. Since the past happened already and the future hasn't. Just seemed more logical to me.

Traveling "into the future" is possible via Time Dilation (which, BTW, is an actual occurrence that GPS satellites have to account for in their calculations up in space). If you put somebody in a spaceship traveling art 95% the speed of light for three weeks, when they arrive they'll find out that even though they have aged three weeks, Earth has had 10.5 weeks pass on it.

Get closer to the speed of light and the multiplication gets even larger, to the point that simulation of forward time travel (step into a space machine for 5 seconds, step out and the Earth is five years later) from a human's point of view is possible... but it might as well be a form of cryogenic freezing at that point, since the machine and the humans within it would actually still exist and need to be undisturbed through those five years (from the perspective of people outside the ship's movement).

Of course the energy/propulsion required to power a ship with reasonable mass near lightspeed is effing huge, so making large differences in elapsed time for something as heavy as a group of people isn't within our reach right now.

On the other hand... traveling into the past, in my opinion, is not possible. We often talk about paradoxes "coming up" and "existing" in logical arguments because logical arguments are just human ideas. However in the real world, the laws of causality get in the way, and paradoxes are impossible by nature (which is why them coming up in a logical discussion is a point to be noted, since a paradox is a wall you need to stop at and back up from). A paradox cannot actually exist (even though humans and fantasy stories humans create toy around with the idea so often), so anything that would cause a paradox will not happen.

 

[injected11]

You sound paranoid, Iran. We've had this tech for awhile now, and for whatever reason, the Chinese haven't stolen it yet...

 

[Rockym]

Traveling "into the future" is possible via Time Dilation (which, BTW, is an actual occurrence that GPS satellites have to account for in their calculations up in space). If you put somebody in a spaceship traveling art 95% the speed of light for three weeks, when they arrive they'll find out that even though they have aged three weeks, Earth has had 10.5 weeks pass on it.

Get closer to the speed of light and the multiplication gets even larger, to the point that simulation of forward time travel (step into a space machine for 5 seconds, step out and the Earth is five years later) from a human's point of view is possible... but it might as well be a form of cryogenic freezing at that point, since the machine and the humans within it would actually still exist and need to be undisturbed through those five years (from the perspective of people outside the ship's movement).

Of course the energy/propulsion required to power a ship with reasonable mass near lightspeed is effing huge, so making large differences in elapsed time for something as heavy as a group of people isn't within our reach right now.

On the other hand... traveling into the past, in my opinion, is not possible. We often talk about paradoxes "coming up" and "existing" in logical arguments because logical arguments are just human ideas. However in the real world, the laws of causality get in the way, and paradoxes are impossible by nature (which is why them coming up in a logical discussion is a point to be noted, since a paradox is a wall you need to stop at and back up from). A paradox cannot actually exist (even though humans and fantasy stories humans create toy around with the idea so often), so anything that would cause a paradox will not happen.

But that's not really time travelling. Travelling generally means you can return. However in your scenario, time is just passing at a different rate relative to an object's speed. Sure, you've "traveled" to the future, but since you can't return, it's pretty pointless to do.

 

[spotanjo3]

I see you're not a determinist.

Anyway, of course time travel is possible - we're all travelling through time, just at a regular pace. It's only backwards time travel that seems impossible, and even then, there are some extremely tiny particles that seem to pull it off. It's highly unlikely we'll ever be able to pull off the trick, but hey, it's there.

Oh, you are a believer. I see. No, Time travel is impossible and never will be. Do you think this world is going to be generation by generation since this world is gone really bad --- poverty, hungry, increase crime, loveless and many more ? No way.

 

[Gahars]

Oh, you are a believer. I see.

What gave you that impression?

No, Time travel is impossible and never will be. Do you think this world is going to be generation by generation since this world is gone really bad --- poverty, hungry, increase crime, loveless and many more ? No way.

...Alright, your first sentence is sensible, but after that it gets kind of hazy. Care to clarify?

 

[Rydian]

No, Time travel is impossible and never will be.

Time dilation is a proven fact and part of daily life. it is entirely possible to make one object move through time at a different pace than another object in order to make the first one jump into the future at extreme speed.

 

[luigiman1928]

Joining the conversation late.

Tell me I'm not the only one who thought of this

Spoiler

MASTER I DETECT A 95% CHANCE THAT THIS MAN IS TELLING A LIE.

 

[Auryn]

Newspaper in my country that announced that info yesterday, today said that the guy retired his "breaking news" and it's ashamed that he did put the news out.
The news agency deleted the news as well from their internet site O.o

 

[Eerpow]

Oh, you are a believer. I see. No, Time travel is impossible and never will be. Do you think this world is going to be generation by generation since this world is gone really bad --- poverty, hungry, increase crime, loveless and many more ? No way.

He's speaking in terms of relativity, of course we're all traveling into the future by the second, but that's not interesting right?
No, what's more interesting is when we're closing in on near light speeds when the gamma factor actually makes a difference in particle behavior, the increased relativistic momentum requires more energy to keep accelerating particles. Particles slow down and thus time, which really is just a fancy way to measure movement, slows down with it while everything else outside of that reference frame will relatively move faster. Meaning that the particles are traveling into the future, faster.
What's also is affected is space itself, i.e distances, lenghts.

While humans may not be able to travel at speeds close to that of the speed of light we still have to consider relativity even at lower speeds. Satellites wouldn't keep time and trajectory correctly if we didn't take time traveling into account for example.

Edit: Ah, didn't see Rydian's reply.

 

[Bladexdsl]

Newspaper in my country that announced that info yesterday, today said that the guy retired his "breaking news" and it's ashamed that he did put the news out.
The news agency deleted the news as well from their internet site O.o

who could have predicted that?

 

[Psionic Roshambo]

I just came back from the future.... We have to stop the Iranians from using this tech it totally ruins internet porn don't ask me how I don't want to risk poluting the time stream more than I already have!!!

 

[aaronz77]

Don't take Oceanic flight 815.

 

[Pleng]

Whenever someone says they have something that can predict the future you know it's bullshit because they would have played the lottery and won tons of money or invested in the stock market and become a billionaire.

Maybe the machine told them that these eventualities never happened so they never bothered pursuing them

 

[Frank Cadena]

Maybe Warren Buffett has one and he just won't tell anyone about it because then everybody would covet it.

 

[Deleted-188346]

"Naturally a government that can see five years into the future would be able to prepare itself for challenges that might destabilise it," he said. "As such we expect to market this invention among states as well as individuals once we reach a mass production stage."

If a government or individual could look into the future with a machine to prevent or otherwise alter what events have been predicted, the machine wasn't telling the future, was it?