OK guy HERE'S THE THING,Egypt doesn't give a crapper about Israel,what happens is that Israel doesn't want Egypt to be freed because of "freedom of religion", they think judaism will not prevail befor muslims and muslim religion will cover all of the middle east....and that's a wrong very wrong asumption,the bad thing is...i mean,the bad things are...three things, EXTREMISTS,OIL andMUBARAK they all link each other all the way from 1990,the SHA of iran ,U.S as you may noticed DOESNT want egypt to let mubarak go,why? because of the OIL!,we know that when we reach the final 5 years of petrolleum something will happen either right, or wrong. What it's logiclly to happen is, that EGYPT extremist will not go trough the extreemes,and will not fight,the U.N will intervene in 1 month and mubarak will be relieved,but democracy will not continue in egypt,what we need is a global legislation over alternative fuels PRONTO,that's the only thing that'll prevent the middle east to go to war...again.
This is so wrong it's not even funny. For one, it was Mubarak who kept Israel and Egypt at peace for so many years, though it was a pretty hard thing to do and at times a pretty shaky peace agreement. Secondly, if you are in Israel's shoes, do you really want the plague of hatred filth that is the Islamic extremist movement spreading even further through the Middle East? Do you want these insane clerics preaching even more hatred towards Israel as well as the western world? You have Palestine, Egypt, Turkey, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Iraq and the United Arab Emirates all chalk full of Muslim people, and a lot of Muslim people hate Israel. Do you have any clue what the consequences of a war between Israel and Egypt would bring with them? Think America is going to sit idly by as countries wage a war against Israel and in turn get half the world involved in support of Israel which in turn could destroy massive amounts of oil production facilities and inflate prices even further.
If the Muslim Brotherhood gets elected into power through nothing less then rigged voting which will no doubt be an issue, things are going to go to hell in a bucket real fast. The last thing the Middle East needs is more psychotic Muslims running countries and starting more shit with Israel, and that's something Israel doesn't need with Hamas constantly bombing their country and Iran basically threatening them as well.
Climate-g... What? Seriously, what the ever loving fuck are you on about? What does climategate have to do with fucking anything at all? And I've seen lots of people denouncing climate-gate, left, right, up, down, British, American. But I honestly give up, I'm not going to sit here and respond to epic post after epic post having to defend anything and everything anyone to the left of Ghengis Kahn has ever done or ever been accused of doing, as if it's in anyway relevant to the goings on in Egypt. Believe what you want to believe, Obama is a lizard person who wants to destroy America and turn you into the USSR, better stock up on assault rifles before it's too late.
I was drawing a comparison, what's wrong with that? It was part sarcasm, part truth. Of course there are people who have denounced it, but the big players sure haven't.
sorry but I dont see israel nor anyother as muslim.if there are any other muslims dont take me siriously.
Im just saying that my little mindless brain doen't understands the fact a muslim can "kill in the name of God.I dont get the fact that muslims are muslim when they wear weird clothes. I dont get the fact that "those muslims" are showing their cultures as Kur'an ...and this really pisses me off.
islam is a religion, "they" dress like that because it's the culture of the country - christans and muslims often look the same - but each country is different.
as for killing for god,
catholic's ran up a pretty good bodycount during the enquisition,
an christians had the crusades,
and then there are all the smaller battles between religious groups in india and china.
and dont even get me started on fucking Zionists and the number of people they have killed!
I was drawing a comparison, what's wrong with that? It was part sarcasm, part truth. Of course there are people who have denounced it, but the big players sure haven't.
Which 'big players'? Some of the harshest criticism over here was from climate change activists and left-leaning press such as The Guardian.
Congratulations, you've proven, if proof was needed, that you don't know what Marxism is. And that's even if Obama actually said the words you googled, which he didn't.
I prefer George Soros thanks. Go on, off you pop, I want 500 links to how he's a baby killing family hating Stalinist socialist Nazi collaborator on my desk by lunchtime. What's your feelings about how the protests in Egypt have sparked support from similar anti-government demonstrations by like-minded social-networking-savvy youth in Iran, by the way?
Which 'big players'? Some of the harshest criticism over here was from climate change activists and left-leaning press such as The Guardian.
al gore and the like.
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Congratulations, you've proven, if proof was needed, that you don't know what Marxism is. And that's even if Obama actually said the words you googled, which he didn't.
so, when he says only government can fix jobs, it's wrong? I GAVE YOU that list because no matter where I sourced to, IT'S WRONG in your eyes, but not the eyes of others.
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I prefer George Soros thanks. Go on, off you pop, I want 500 links to how he's a baby killing family hating Stalinist socialist Nazi collaborator on my desk by lunchtime. What's your feelings about how the protests in Egypt have sparked support from similar anti-government demonstrations by like-minded social-networking-savvy youth in Iran, by the way?
it's funny, because it would seem that you only choose what's the best option atm for you.. sound familiar? this from a guy who considers himself a god among men, who "finds it fun" to topple countries and ruin lives of hundreds of thousands of people. Remember he broke your bank, not ours.. and I already told you I supported the protesters in IRAN, I only supported Mubarak because there was a better way to go about things! and this is all an ill conceived way of fixing the situations, it will only lead to a situation that is worse!
It will come as no surprise to the reader when I admit that I have always harbored an exaggerated view of self-importance -to put it bluntly, I fancied mysef as some kind of god or an economic reformer like Keynes or,even better, a scientist like Einstein (reflexivity sounds like relativity).
islam is a religion, "they" dress like that because it's the culture of the country - christans and muslims often look the same - but each country is different.
as for killing for god,
catholic's ran up a pretty good bodycount during the enquisition,
an christians had the crusades,
and then there are all the smaller battles between religious groups in india and china.
and dont even get me started on fucking Zionists and the number of people they have killed!
well about the clothes ..you dont get what I mean.I am saying that arabs are showing their clothes as a part of islam to us -turks I mean we are muslim too you know-
and as a result of that terror and rightist occur.Dont say there's no connection and just look at my sig -_-''' I hope you understand what I mean cuz this is something important and you have to live here to know what it really is.Besides consider the fact that I am a muslim too before you answer ok? and also I know about the zionists and the number of people that have killed ok?
so, when he says only government can fix jobs, it's wrong?
Wrong what? You googled "Only goverment can solve" words I can't find him saying, ever. The closet he came was a speech where, before he said that in the current climate ( a disaster which finally buried the myth of self-regulation) that the federal government was the only entity which was currently in a position to get businesses back on their feet so they could rebuild the economy, he SPECIFICALLY SAID
"we cannot depend on government alone to create jobs or long-term growth"
That's an actual quote, not the clumsy paraphrasing you're using to try and make him say something he didn't.
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I GAVE YOU that list because no matter where I sourced to, IT'S WRONG in your eyes, but not the eyes of others.
You googled something he didn't say and the top result, an anti-Obama site, contained a quote where he says something perfectly diametrically opposed to Marxism, before the most Marxist thing you can find him saying which isn't Marxist at all. *slow hand clap*
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it's funny, because it would seem that you only choose what's the best option atm for you.. sound familiar? this from a guy who considers himself a god among men, who "finds it fun" to topple countries and ruin lives of hundreds of thousands of people. Remember he broke your bank, not ours..
You're rambling again.
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I already told you I supported the protesters in IRAN, I only supported Mubarak because there was a better way to go about things!
So you don't support the protests in Egypt, but you support the protests in Iran which are aimed at supporting the protests in Egypt? What if the people of Iran overthrow the Shia leadership and the Sunni Muslim Brotherhood of Iran take over?
The fact is, you support dictators oppressing their people as long as the dictator is playing nice with the US in terms of Israel's security or Saudi oil/weapon deals. I support any protesters who want freedom from theocracy and autocracy. That's where you and I differ.
Rubbish. The Egyptian revolution is one of the BEST ways of fixing things. What are you comparing it to? The Iranian revolution, which went on for over a year with chaos and bloodshed before falling back into dictatorship? Tianamen Square which failed and saw a massacre? The toppling of Saddam, which destroyed the country's infrastructure, turned it into a hotbed of terrorism, radicalised a whole generation of young extremists and led to the lost of thousands of western troops? Vietnam?
This was a peaceful protest with few deaths, no need for foreign military assistance, which toppled a cruel dictator and passed to a transitional military rule which will keep order and prevent a move into another autocracy or religious theocracy until elections can take place. In the scheme of regime changes, it seems to have gone pretty well.
Please enlighten me (if we can stay on topic without you dodging the issue and randomly plucking from the air some liberal or democrat you don't like to character assassinate - WHAT is the better way to do it? Foreigners saying "Oh, sorry Egypt, we're not ready yet, you've only been waiting 30 years, let us sort out Iraq and Afghanistan and then we'll get round to telling you what kind of country you should be"?
Wow, someone on the American right attacking someone for supporting the toppling of nations, there's irony for you.
90% of the world is absolutely delighted and proud of what the Egyptian people have done, stop being a sourpus because your best mate and his thugs are not in power any more.
The Eygptians got sick of being oppressed, got their asses on Facebook and did something about it, toppled a 30 year dictator in less than 30 days. Deal with it.
Wrong what? You googled "Only goverment can solve" words I can't find him saying, ever. The closet he came was a speech where, before he said that in the current climate ( a disaster which finally buried the myth of self-regulation) that the federal government was the only entity which was currently in a position to get businesses back on their feet so they could rebuild the economy, he SPECIFICALLY SAID
"we cannot depend on government alone to create jobs or long-term growth"
That's an actual quote, not the clumsy paraphrasing you're using to try and make him say something he didn't.
no matter where I source, its wrong, so.. let me provide a "better" response.
[titlenly government]"Only government" can strip search a young child in the name of 'national security'.
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"Only government" can provide 'shovel ready jobs'. link
"Only government" can 'tax and spend' other peoples money.
yet not touch a cent of there millions.
"Only government" can have a department of 'health and human services'. LARGER than LBJ's Government.
"Only government" can rack up more debt in 19 months than the first president George Washington all the way through to Ronald Regan COMBINED!
"Only government" can 'choose to ignore' it's own research, and continue to throw money at the problem.
"Only government" can 'build' a 100 million dollar court house.
"Only government" can buy 'votes' to push a monstrous healthcare bill, not to mention it will lost at least 800,000 jobs! link
I think you get the picture. If you would like, I can provide more examples of government waste.
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You googled something he didn't say and the top result, an anti-Obama site, contained a quote where he says something perfectly diametrically opposed to Marxism, before the most Marxist thing you can find him saying which isn't Marxist at all. *slow hand clap*
you choose to ignore it, but I gave plenty of examples above. If you don't agree, then there isn't much I can do. You will always be in your fixated state of mind no matter what I do.
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You're rambling again.
No, I am not. you choose the best way to get out of the situation your in.
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So you don't support the protests in Egypt, but you support the protests in Iran which are aimed at supporting the protests in Egypt? What if the people of Iran overthrow the Shia leadership and the Sunni Muslim Brotherhood of Iran take over?
The fact is, you support dictators oppressing their people as long as the dictator is playing nice with the US in terms of Israel's security or Saudi oil/weapon deals. I support any protesters who want freedom from theocracy and autocracy. That's where you and I differ.
what part of "I only supported Mubarak because there was a better way to go about things" do you not understand? thanks to the way this has gone, the MB is going to start a political party, I thought they where not interested in such affairs? sure they "claim" they won't run for the office of the president, but it's just that, A CLAIM. do you think that the people of iran are stupid enough to make the same mistake twice?
yes, we do differ. you want a democracy that can lead down a violent, deadly road, and I WANT one that we can guarentee won't lead down that road, in order to keep this from happening, I have to support Mubarak! AGAIN, it's not something I can swallow lightly!
Rubbish. The Egyptian revolution is one of the BEST ways of fixing things. What are you comparing it to? The Iranian revolution, which went on for over a year with chaos and bloodshed before falling back into dictatorship? Tianamen Square which failed and saw a massacre? The toppling of Saddam, which destroyed the country's infrastructure, turned it into a hotbed of terrorism, radicalised a whole generation of young extremists and led to the lost of thousands of western troops? Vietnam?
This was a peaceful protest with few deaths, no need for foreign military assistance, which toppled a cruel dictator and passed to a transitional military rule which will keep order and prevent a move into another autocracy or religious theocracy until elections can take place. In the scheme of regime changes, it seems to have gone pretty well.
Please enlighten me (if we can stay on topic without you dodging the issue and randomly plucking from the air some liberal or democrat you don't like to character assassinate - WHAT is the better way to do it? Foreigners saying "Oh, sorry Egypt, we're not ready yet, you've only been waiting 30 years, let us sort out Iraq and Afghanistan and then we'll get round to telling you what kind of country you should be"?
PUT PRESSURE ON HIM, the egyptian government hasn't been in a war since the four day war in '77, THIS would have been a GREAT time for the U.N. to stand up, and as a whole broker a deal. Make sure that there isn't a fraud in the election, it's not like he would have had a choice, the military is neutral, the people would have loved it! 300 people wouldn't have had to die in the process! I THOUGHT that's what the original purpose was SUPPOSED to be, they could have actually shown a SPINE!
Wow, someone on the American right attacking someone for supporting the toppling of nations, there's irony for you.
90% of the world is absolutely delighted and proud of what the Egyptian people have done, stop being a sourpus because your best mate and his thugs are not in power any more.
The Eygptians got sick of being oppressed, got their asses on Facebook and did something about it, toppled a 30 year dictator in less than 30 days. Deal with it.
It's not like I can do anything about it, now can I? The egyptians should count themselves lucky, Iran is calling for the execution of the leaders of the protesters there.
@ soros, that link was to explain the way he works, happen to realize most of that is going on in europe? he even states that CHINA has a better government than the us, would you agree with him there?
no matter where I source, its wrong, so.. let me provide a "better" response.
Wait, we're going onto things like TSA now? How rich congressmen are? Does this thread actually have a topic, or is it just your version of your personal talk radio show where you rage vaguely against every Democract and imagined left-wing conspiracy? You still keep putting things in quotes Obama hasn't said, and you've still not shown him saying anything like that the government should take control of all industry and outlaw privately owned businesses. This is because you can't actually find any quotes of Obamas which follow Marxist ideology.
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I think you get the picture. If you would like, I can provide more examples of government waste.
Which has WHAT to do with the topic, or even the three thousand random tangents you've taken it on? Or do you think Marxism means just any inefficient and/or meddling government in a mixed economy? Because if the US Democrat Party is a Marxist organisation, then I hate to break it to you, but you didn't win the Cold War because practically every country in the world is governed by a Marxist government.
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you choose to ignore it, but I gave plenty of examples above. If you don't agree, then there isn't much I can do. You will always be in your fixated state of mind no matter what I do.
You've still not given any example of anything Obama has said or done which is Marxist. The best you've got is the occasional centre-left position, in amongst a speech littered with capitalist doctrine.
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No, I am not. you choose the best way to get out of the situation your in.
Are you talking about your position in this thread or... What?
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what part of "I only supported Mubarak because there was a better way to go about things" do you not understand? thanks to the way this has gone, the MB is going to start a political party, I thought they where not interested in such affairs? sure they "claim" they won't run for the office of the president, but it's just that, A CLAIM. do you think that the people of iran are stupid enough to make the same mistake twice?
Do you think the people of Egypt, one of the oldest civilisations in the world, are stupid enough to get this far in acheiving freedom only to allow someone to swan along and set up a religious theocracy? So what if the Muslim Brotherhood start a political party? I'm sure pretty much every interest will start one, that's what a democracy is about. What exactly can they do or say anyway as far as you're concerend? They "claim" they aren't going to run for president, you don't believe them, Mubarak "claimed" he was going to step down in September, his people didn't believe him.
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yes, we do differ. you want a democracy that can lead down a violent, deadly road, and I WANT one that we can guarentee won't lead down that road, in order to keep this from happening, I have to support Mubarak! AGAIN, it's not something I can swallow lightly!
Compared to the way many countries have acheived democracy, this is not a bloody road. You can NEVER make an environment when someone you don't like has no chance of gaining power in free elections. ou will be waiting forever. Which is easy for you to do, sitting around the world in a country with free elections and freedom of the press. You may have less patience if you lived in Egypt or Bahrain.
PUT PRESSURE ON HIM, the egyptian government hasn't been in a war since the four day war in '77, THIS would have been a GREAT time for the U.N. to stand up, and as a whole broker a deal. Make sure that there isn't a fraud in the election, it's not like he would have had a choice, the military is neutral, the people would have loved it! 300 people wouldn't have had to die in the process! I THOUGHT that's what the original purpose was SUPPOSED to be, they could have actually shown a SPINE!
You've just spent half this thread slagging off Obama for not supporting Mubarak enough! True stability comes from democracy, true democracy comes from WITHIN. You can't just put democracy onto a country where the PEOPLE aren't demanding it, like the US attempted to put democracy into Iraq like you put a postage stamp on a letter.
The "stability" brought by a deeply unpopular dictator like Mubarak is a FALSE stabilty. This has been demonstrated bny the fact he was toppled by a facebook campaign. If you quelled these portests, what's to say that your hated Muslim Brotherhood couldn't have toppled him just as easily? Once people were sick of his shit and took to the streets, your plan is... What? Support Mubarak's gestapo when they beat the protestors? Send in UN troops to fire rubber bullets at them until they shut up and go back to work?
If the transition can be framed as foreigners and the UN forcing something on Egypt, it's very easy for extremists to frame themselves as 'defenders' against opposing forces. As far as I'm concerned, there is far more chance of Egypt falling into chaos or another Mubarak under your plan of outside interference.
It's not like I can do anything about it, now can I? The egyptians should count themselves lucky, Iran is calling for the execution of the leaders of the protesters there.
@ soros, that link was to explain the way he works, happen to realize most of that is going on in europe? he even states that CHINA has a better government than the us, would you agree with him there?
At the moment, their economic record show they've been very efficient at boosting the economy. However, I don't think the growth is sustainable. Certainly, their focus on manufacturing, rather than shutting down manufacturing industry and concentrating on jobs where you move around money that doesn't really exist has been the clever choice. i like the way that link points out how much Soros has donated to the anti-communist movement in China.
When you have to quote more than one thing at a time the argument is too fragmented. You both need to focus your debate on a single issue, otherwise you will not convince anyone reading of anything, other than both of you being crazy.
<!--quoteo(post=3461118:date=Feb 16 2011, 05:54 PM:name=BlueStar)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BlueStar @ Feb 16 2011, 05:54 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=3461118"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Wait, we're going onto things like TSA now? How rich congressmen are? Does this thread actually have a topic, or is it just your version of your personal talk radio show where you rage vaguely against every Democract and imagined left-wing conspiracy? You still keep putting things in quotes Obama hasn't said, and you've still not shown him saying anything like that the government should take control of all industry and outlaw privately owned businesses. This is because you can't actually find any quotes of Obamas which follow Marxist ideology.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Obama has no right to do any of the things listed above, he's a tax and spend democrat of the worse order, and he wants a double dip recession, THAT'S ALL. last I checked A VAST majority of the country is in this agreement with me. there is no more use in beating a dead horse, the federal government is not the answer, it never has been and it never will be. LOOK at Greece, look at Ireland. THEY ARE BANKRUPT! Europe is following suit weather you like it or not, inflation is already at 4 percent in the united kingdom alone! You people are screwed, and Obama is enabling the whole of Europe like the crack addicts they are, except it's not crack, it's spending.
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<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Which has WHAT to do with the topic, or even the three thousand random tangents you've taken it on? Or do you think Marxism means just any inefficient and/or meddling government in a mixed economy? Because if the US Democrat Party is a Marxist organisation, then I hate to break it to you, but you didn't win the Cold War because practically every country in the world is governed by a Marxist government.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
HE GETS IT, <b>YOU DON'T!</b> and you never will, you'll end up just like carl marx, starving in a pos house with your children starving to death! just as long as the government can take care of everything, your fine with that!
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->You've still not given any example of anything Obama has said or done which is Marxist. The best you've got is the occasional centre-left position, in amongst a speech littered with capitalist doctrine.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
like he's going to come out now that he's president and blatently state "I am a marxist", he's going to run again. He wants to have a chance to at least win! IF IT <u>WALKS</u> LIKE A MARXIST, IF IT <u>TALKS</u> LIKE A MARXIST, <b>IT MUST BE A MARXIST</b>!
I've already provided the evidence, if your to sick to realize the truth, then your beyond reason.
they say you can tell a lot about a person by the company they keep:
BILL AYERS
JEREMIAH WRIGHT
FRANK MARSHALL DAVIS
and about a blue million others!
he even said it himself.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Judge me by the people with whom I surround myself<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
well, I have judged! your a fool bluestar,
have a good life working twords the destruction of others!
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Are you talking about your position in this thread or... What?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Your a fool, a demented fool.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Do you think the people of Egypt, one of the oldest civilisations in the world, are stupid enough to get this far in acheiving freedom only to allow someone to swan along and set up a religious theocracy? So what if the Muslim Brotherhood start a political party? I'm sure pretty much every interest will start one, that's what a democracy is about. What exactly can they do or say anyway as far as you're concerend? They "claim" they aren't going to run for president, you don't believe them, Mubarak "claimed" he was going to step down in September, his people didn't believe him.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
"<u><b>SO WHAT</b></u> if the Muslim Brotherhood starts a political party?"
Youssef al-Qaradawi, The Voice of Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood... so <i>what</i>, if he praises <b><u><a href="http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,745526,00.html" target="_blank">adolf hitler</a></u></b>!?
SO LONG AS EVERYONE GETS A FARE SKAKE, WHO CARES?
you don't think they have people on the inside already, you don't think they would try to steal the election?
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Compared to the way many countries have acheived democracy, this is not a bloody road. You can NEVER make an environment when someone you don't like has no chance of gaining power in free elections. ou will be waiting forever. Which is easy for you to do, sitting around the world in a country with free elections and freedom of the press. You may have less patience if you lived in Egypt or Bahrain.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
the obama team seams to <a href="http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100075628/the-muslim-brotherhood-gets-a-pr-makeover-%E2%80%93from-the-us-director-of-national-intelligence/" target="_blank">praise</a> the Muslim brotherhood, but "doesn't" have a bias <a href="http://turtlebay.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/02/16/in_major_reversal_us_to_rebuke_israel_in_security_council" target="_blank">against</a> israel, not at all! /sarcasm.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->You've just spent half this thread slagging off Obama for not supporting Mubarak enough! True stability comes from democracy, true democracy comes from WITHIN. You can't just put democracy onto a country where the PEOPLE aren't demanding it, like the US attempted to put democracy into Iraq like you put a postage stamp on a letter.
The "stability" brought by a deeply unpopular dictator like Mubarak is a FALSE stabilty. This has been demonstrated bny the fact he was toppled by a facebook campaign. If you quelled these portests, what's to say that your hated Muslim Brotherhood couldn't have toppled him just as easily? Once people were sick of his shit and took to the streets, your plan is... What? Support Mubarak's gestapo when they beat the protestors? Send in UN troops to fire rubber bullets at them until they shut up and go back to work?
If the transition can be framed as foreigners and the UN forcing something on Egypt, it's very easy for extremists to frame themselves as 'defenders' against opposing forces. As far as I'm concerned, there is far more chance of Egypt falling into chaos or another Mubarak under your plan of outside interference.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Where was MR. OBAMA last time the Iranians revolted? ANSWER: nowhere!
Where was MR. OBAMA when egypt revolted? ANSWER: everywhere!
Where is MR. OBAMA now that Iranians are going for a second attempt? ANSWER: nowhere!
I THOUGHT he was the LEADER of the FREE world, it turns out he's the leader of HIS OWN INTERESTS!
WHERE IS THE BACKBONE? where is the spine now that irans moving? HE'S A COWARD, even Michael more says he url="http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/11/13/michael_moore_to_obama_take_off_the_pink_tutu.html"]needs to take off the pink tutu![/url]
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Nope, the people have spoken.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
and there in incredible danger, not now, but down the road.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->At the moment, their economic record show they've been very efficient at boosting the economy. However, I don't think the growth is sustainable. Certainly, their focus on manufacturing, rather than shutting down manufacturing industry and concentrating on jobs where you move around money that doesn't really exist has been the clever choice. i like the way that link points out how much Soros has donated to the anti-communist movement in China.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I thought as much.
this is the same George sores who wants al-Qaida back <a href="http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=264153" target="_blank">in control</a> of government.
you go on ahead, push your leftist IDEAS, I am <u>done</u> with idiots like you, and apparently, by the powers being held in some European governments, so are the people.
FRANCE has Nicolas Sarkozy
GERMANY has Christian Wulff
U.K. has David Cameron
ITALY has Silvio Berlusconi
ARMENIA has Serzh Sargsyan
CZECH REPUBLIC has Václav Klaus
LIECHTENSTEIN has Klaus Tschütscher
NETHERLANDS has Mark Rutte
POLAND has Bronisław Komorowski
SWEDEN has Fredrik Reinfeldt
IRELAND has Mary McAleese
ALL OF THEM ARE <u>CENTER RIGHT</u>!
all the rest are either former communist party members, or are new to the political field.
I am <u>done</u> with this conversation, no matter how I phrase something, you will just rebuke it.
<a href="http://fdd.typepad.com/fdd/2006/01/alert_saddams_c.html" target="_blank">Here</a> is the link to the torture video's, take it for what you want, I told you the truth, EGYPT had it on easy street compared to others in the region! --TD or anyone who wishes to remove it, do as you wish.
Mubarak was practically a saint, but you don't care, no one cares! as long as you see a moderate muslim ousted so that a radicalized government can take power, persecute the christians, the jews and anyone else who doesn't tote the extremeist line.
ONE last question, when is the last time you heard a story out of egypt like <a href="http://www.ahrchk.net/ua/mainfile.php/2004/676/" target="_blank">this one</a>? thought so, Mubarak kept the RADICALS at bay!
Obama has no right to do any of the things listed above,
Yes he does, he was elected as president of the United States.
he's a tax and spend democrat
Which wouldn't make him a Marxist. Hasn't he CUT your taxes? Or do you earn over quarter of a million a year?
Speaking of 'tax and spend' liberals
Might be why McCain was so soundly rejected by America.
and he wants a double dip recession,
Don't be so fucking stupid, WHY? Because he's an evil super villian?
THAT'S ALL. last I checked A VAST majority of the country is in this agreement with me.
Last I checked, Obama won the election by a considerable amount on a more left-wing platform than he implemented while in office.
there is no more use in beating a dead horse, the federal government is not the answer, it never has been and it never will be. LOOK at Greece, look at Ireland. THEY ARE BANKRUPT! Europe is following suit weather you like it or not, inflation is already at 4 percent in the united kingdom alone! You people are screwed, and Obama is enabling the whole of Europe like the crack addicts they are, except it's not crack, it's spending.
The UK government is taking the absolute opposite approach to Obama and the US, with swinging cuts, rather than investment and stimulus. If you want to say Obama is bad, it's not a great idea to point out how badly the UK is doing under a fiscal conservative model.
HE GETS IT, YOU DON'T! and you never will, you'll end up just like carl marx, starving in a pos house with your children starving to death! just as long as the government can take care of everything, your fine with that!
You can't even spell Karl Marx, let alone have even the vaguest of ideas what his ideology was, or how it compares to Obama. The ultimate goal of Marxism is NO government for a start.
like he's going to come out now that he's president and blatently state "I am a marxist", he's going to run again. He wants to have a chance to at least win! IF IT WALKS LIKE A MARXIST, IF IT TALKS LIKE A MARXIST, IT MUST BE A MARXIST!
But you've already said he's a "secret" Marxist, so that means he's not talking, or walking like a Marxist, no? Your reasoning seems to be that you can read his mind.
they say you can tell a lot about a person by the company they keep:
BILL AYERS
JEREMIAH WRIGHT
FRANK MARSHALL DAVIS
and about a blue million others!
Again, guilt by association, what people resort to when they can't actually argue against the subject.
Your a fool, a demented fool.
OK, I ignored this the first 20 times but YOU'RE. If you're going to insult someone's intelligence at least spell a five letter word right. Are you a product of Bush's "No child left behind" programme?
you don't think they have people on the inside already, you don't think they would try to steal the election?
Where the fuck were you when Mubarak WAS stealing elections by having the only two people you could vote for coming from the same party?
Where is MR. OBAMA now that Iranians are going for a second attempt? ANSWER: nowhere!/
He's been quite clearly offering them moral support. Did Rove and Bush do any more than that?
I THOUGHT he was the LEADER of the FREE world, it turns out he's the leader of HIS OWN INTERESTS!
Every American president has put their party an the US first, no matter what their world-wide ideals.
and there in incredible danger, not now, but down the road.
They were in incredible danger when they took to the streets. It's called bravery, something you seriously lack with your cowardly "But I'm all right! Leave things how they are! Don't fight for freedom, what if the baddies come along, waaaahh!"
this is the same George sores who wants al-Qaida back in control of government.
World Net Daily, why don't you just post a link to Weekly World News?
you go on ahead, push your leftist IDEAS, I am done with idiots like you, and apparently, by the powers being held in some European governments, so are the people.
FRANCE has Nicolas Sarkozy
GERMANY has Christian Wulff
U.K. has David Cameron
ITALY has Silvio Berlusconi
ARMENIA has Serzh Sargsyan
CZECH REPUBLIC has Václav Klaus
LIECHTENSTEIN has Klaus Tschütscher
NETHERLANDS has Mark Rutte
POLAND has Bronis?aw Komorowski
SWEDEN has Fredrik Reinfeldt
IRELAND has Mary McAleese
ALL OF THEM ARE CENTER RIGHT!
That's funny, I though Europe was in economic meltdown two paragraphs ago? Doesn't look like those "centre right" policies are working very well, does it? Nearly all of those politicians would be considered left-wing in the US anyway. David Cameron is in a coalition with the Liberal Democrats and constantly talks about 'progressive ideals" and "liberal democracy" even if his fiscal cuts are looking more and more Thatcherite.
Obama's democrats are a centre-right party, but that's not good enough for you. You crave extremism, you want to be ruled by the western equivalent of radical Islam, a government that will suppress their enemies inside and outside the country, remove separation of church and state, restore "traditional" familes (including the role of women) crack down hard and social issues like drugs and abortion. You're basically two sides of the same coin.
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I am done with this conversation, no matter how I phrase something, you will just rebuke it.
This is because you make stuff up, exaggerate, lie and get taken in by urban legends and email forwards in in every post you make. You are the most gullible person I've ever met on the internet, and that's saying something. Maybe in a few years when you grow out of this phase you might get a more sensible head on your shoulders and not believe everything you're told which enforces your own world view.
Here is the link to the torture video's, take it for what you want, I told you the truth, EGYPT had it on easy street compared to others in the region! --TD or anyone who wishes to remove it, do as you wish.
OK, so if Obama's personal thugs were treating tea partiers like Mubarak treated protesters and dissidents you would think this was OK because it wasn't as bad as Saddam? Have you seen the videos of Mubarak's enforcers sodomizing a bus driver as punishment? But that's OK, yeah, you're fine with that? you seem to think you're being oppressed because you were given a tax cut and you get patted down at the airport, you're telling me you'd put up with Obama if he treated dissent like Mubarak did?
Mubarak was practically a saint, but you don't care, no one cares! as long as you see a moderate muslim ousted so that a radicalized government can take power, persecute the christians, the jews and anyone else who doesn't tote the extremeist line.
He was an extremist despot who slaughtered moderates, but you don't care as long as YOU have rights and freedoms because you are a coward and a hypocrite.
ONE last question, when is the last time you heard a story out of egypt like this one? thought so, Mubarak kept the RADICALS at bay!
That's the same reason the US supported Saddam, because his secular government saw Islamists as a personal threat.
Don't bother responding, I wont reply
I don't believe you on this more than I believe everything you repeat from Beck and Limbaugh.
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I was obsessed with finding UFOs, a surprising amount of US files where stashed on computers in other countries, China back in the early 90s omg sooo much
nly government]"Only government" can strip search a young child in the name of 'national security'.
