Muslim Brotherhood: ‘Prepare Egyptians for war with Israel'

[Jakob95]

Also it feels great for the Jews that they know they have their own country if it wasn't for Israel they wouldn't have their own country.

 

[BlueStar]

Would feel great for the Palestinians to have their own country as well I imagine. Would feel great if I had my own country as well, can I have yours?

 

[TrolleyDave]

Hardcore Antisemitism was not invented by the Nazis.

I know that. But what you said was that "Zionist ideology" was a term coined by the Nazi's. If it was a term coined by the Nazi's then it would not have existed before either the writing of Mein Kampf nor the creation of NSDAP. And for what it's worth the Nazi's usually referred to them simply as "The Jewry" or "The Jewish problem".

This is the foundation of "Zionist ideology" - and it's a well known fake
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols..._Elders_of_Zion

That's not where I got my information. I got my information from reading the history of the foundation of the state of Israel, writings from famous Zionists and Anti-Zionists, pro and anti-Israel propaganda, and people like Chomsky, Finklestein and others. I've also read stuff from people like Dershowitz.

This is the real foundation of Israel:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodor_Herzl

And Herzl wanted peace and harmony between all people that live in Israel. He didn't even care about his own religion. Nobody does...

He did indeed. He was a supporter of a form of National Socialism (yes, National Socialism was around long before the Nazi's took it and twisted it into their hate filled Utra-nationalist ideology). Unfortunately Zionism in it's original form was hijacked by Ultra-nationalists. If you follow Zionism from the early 1900's (basically from when they were offered land, in Uganda I believe it was) to when Gurion took over you can see the changes that took place. With the internet it's also become alot easier to do this.

Would feel great for the Palestinians to have their own country as well I imagine. Would feel great if I had my own country as well, can I have yours?

I wonder how supportive they'd be if say the UN told the USA that they had to give one of the States back to the Native Americans so the could rebuild their homeland?

QUOTE(Jakob95 @ Feb 4 2011, 03:38 PM)

So now you think we have to give Arizona, Texas and all those other states back to Mexico because we stole their land?

So if the US was told to give one of the states in the US back to the Native Americans you would be fully supportive of that? After all, it is their homeland.

 

[Cloak519]

I totally understand all of this

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[TLSS_N]

I've been sitting back and watching this for a while, In part because I was busy and couldn't participate and I also wanted to see where this would go. People seem to forget their history all to quick. and I hope to remind people of the influence it can have on a society. Now, what exactly do I mean by that? well, lets start with the muslim brotherhood.. did you know of there founding influences? I do, they where radicalized by NAZI Germany! Do you not believe me, then have a read. You would be surprised! but that's not all, there are reports of iran having informal ties to the muslim brotherhood. Essentially, Iran has it's tentacles spread throughout the region. But what about Iran, how did this all come to be? If peanut's Hadn't assisted in the overthrow of the shah of iran, there would be not tentacles to spread! Not to forget, they wouldn't be able to fund major terrorist groups!

If Iran wasn't radicalized, they wouldn't be able to finance al-Qaeda! If it wasn't for there funding and the ACLU filing of a lawsuit objecting to national security in preference to the right's of 3 people who raised red flags at the airport, 3 out of 3 Billion! Last time I checked, it wasn't 3>3,000,000,000 its 3

 

[princefarzan]

I've been sitting back and watching this for a while, In part because I was busy and couldn't participate and I also wanted to see where this would go. People seem to forget their history all to quick. and I hope to remind people of the influence it can have on a society. Now, what exactly do I mean by that? well, lets start with the muslim brotherhood.. did you know of there founding influences? I do, they where radicalized by NAZI Germany! Do you not believe me, then have a read. You would be surprised! but that's not all, there are reports of iran having informal ties to the muslim brotherhood. Essentially, Iran has it's tentacles spread throughout the region. But what about Iran, how did this all come to be? If penut's Hadn't assisted in the overthrow of the shah of iran, there would be not tentacles to spread! Not to forget, they wouldn't be able to of funded major terrorist groups!

If Iran wasn't radicalized, they wouldn't be able to finance al-Qaeda! If it wasn't for there funding and the ACLU filing of a lawsuit objecting to national security in preference to the right's of 3 people who raised red flags at the airport, 3 out of 3 Billion! Last time I checked, it wasn't 3>3,000,000,000 its 3

 

[TLSS_N]

-snip-

You sir, have clearly been watching too much conspiracy theory. Please take your tin foil hat off and go outside once and awhile.

yea, right.

 

[TrolleyDave]

There was a couple of regiments of the SS made up of Muslims although I'm not sure of their connection to the Muslim Brotherhood (if they are linked at all) as I've never looked into it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffen-SS#1943

 

[TLSS_N]

There was a couple of regiments of the SS made up of Muslims although I'm not sure of their connection to the Muslim Brotherhood (if they are linked at all) as I've never looked into it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffen-SS#1943

well, it's not like I am going out on a limb here, it's spoken of on the official Wikipedia article.

specifically, references 35 & 36

Spoiler: reference 35

See Ian Johnson, A Mosque in Munich: Nazis, the CIA and Rise of the Muslim Brotherhood in the West (New York: Houghton Mifflin Harcourt, 2010); Matthias Küntzel, Jihad and Jew-hatred: Islamism, Nazism and the Roots of 9/11 (New York: Telos Press, 2007); Klaus-Michael Mallmann and Martin Cüppers, Halbmond und Hakenkreuz: Das 'Dritte Reich', die Araber und Palästina (Darmstadt: Wissenschaftliche Buchgesellschaft, 2006), and Klaus Gensicke, Der Mufti von Jerusalem und die Nationalsocialisten: Eine politische Biographie Amin el-Husseinis (Darmstadt: Wissenschaftliche Buchgesellschaft, 2007).

Spoiler: reference36

In addition to the studies listed in the previous note, see the detailed and richly documented analysis by Jeffrey Herf, Nazi Propaganda for the Arab World (New Haven, London: Yale University Press, 2009).

Do I wear a tin foil hat now, do I?

edit: that last line wasn't directed @ you TD, it was just in general.

 

[Jakob95]

@TrolleyDave

So if the US was told to give one of the states in the US back to the Native Americans you would be fully supportive of that? After all, it is their homeland.

Exactly my point. I wouldn't give it back to the Native Americans because its already our land. The same goes for Israel now doesn't it. You just proved me correct.

 

[TrolleyDave]

@TrolleyDave

So if the US was told to give one of the states in the US back to the Native Americans you would be fully supportive of that? After all, it is their homeland.

Exactly my point. I wouldn't give it back to the Native Americans because its already our land. The same goes for Israel now doesn't it. You just proved me correct.

No I haven't, in effect you've just proven the Palestinians point. Going by your very own logic the land for Israel should never have been given to the Jewish people because it was already the Palestinians land.

@Living Shadow : Cheers for that info, will have a read of it when I get back from work tomoz.

 

[pitman]

First the Turks start on hating us and now Egypt(only a part of it I believe) wants to destroy us, sigh.

War never changes.

 

[Jakob95]

@TrolleyDave

So if the US was told to give one of the states in the US back to the Native Americans you would be fully supportive of that? After all, it is their homeland.

Exactly my point. I wouldn't give it back to the Native Americans because its already our land. The same goes for Israel now doesn't it. You just proved me correct.

No I haven't, in effect you've just proven the Palestinians point. Going by your very own logic the land for Israel should never have been given to the Jewish people because it was already the Palestinians land.

@Living Shadow : Cheers for that info, will have a read of it when I get back from work tomoz.

But you never said anything about the US taking the Native Americans land. You said about the US giving their land back to the Native Americans...

 

[BlueStar]

yea, right.

Yes, right. You sound like a frothing tin-foil hat wearer, do you actually read what you're typing?

The Muslim Brotherhood is only being spoken of because it's the only opposition party that was partially tolerated by Mubarak, it's not a shoe-in to be the replacement if the US-backed dictatorship crumbles.

 

[TrolleyDave]

First the Turks start on hating us and now Egypt(only a part of it I believe) wants to destroy us, sigh.

War never changes.

I know what you mean. In all honesty I think it's mostly posturing on the Muslim Brotherhoods part, an attempt to bring Muslims to their side to get in power. They would have to be Osama Bin Laden crazy to start a war with Israel though. They may have allies in nations like Iran, Syria etc. but they're no match really for NATO. A full scale war would be over quite quickly. I'm not overly paranoid about it escalating much further than them attempting to lift the blockade, but there's still a fear for the safety of my mates living in Israel.

QUOTE(Jakob95 @ Feb 5 2011, 03:33 AM) But you never said anything about the US taking the Native Americans land. You said about the US giving their land back to the Native Americans...

I did indeed. You don't see the flaw in your logic? You're focusing solely on the settlements captured by Israel, what about the land before the modern state of Israel was formed? That was owned by the Palestinians and they were ordered to hand it over to the Jewish people. So if going by your logic that no land should be given back to the Native Americans because it was already yours, then no land should have been given to the Jewish people because it was already the Palestinians. You see? In effect you have proven the Palestinians point.

 

[BlueStar]

6 days left to watch:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00ybyxp

And an interesting clip. Chose to believe this guy or not
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00dpljk

 

[Jakob95]

First the Turks start on hating us and now Egypt(only a part of it I believe) wants to destroy us, sigh.

War never changes.

I know what you mean. In all honesty I think it's mostly posturing on the Muslim Brotherhoods part, an attempt to bring Muslims to their side to get in power. They would have to be Osama Bin Laden crazy to start a war with Israel though. They may have allies in nations like Iran, Syria etc. but they're no match really for NATO. A full scale war would be over quite quickly. I'm not overly paranoid about it escalating much further than them attempting to lift the blockade, but there's still a fear for the safety of my mates living in Israel.

QUOTE(Jakob95 @ Feb 5 2011, 03:33 AM) But you never said anything about the US taking the Native Americans land. You said about the US giving their land back to the Native Americans...

I did indeed. You don't see the flaw in your logic? You're focusing solely on the settlements captured by Israel, what about the land before the modern state of Israel was formed? That was owned by the Palestinians and they were ordered to hand it over to the Jewish people. So if going by your logic that no land should be given back to the Native Americans because it was already yours, then no land should have been given to the Jewish people because it was already the Palestinians. You see? In effect you have proven the Palestinians point.

So by your logic the Native Americans shouldn't have given their land the United States because they were forced give it to them.

 

[TrolleyDave]

So by your logic the Native Americans shouldn't have given their land the United States because they were forced give it to them.

For a start there's no logic in your post. The Native Americans didn't exactly give their land to the Spanish/French/British/USA, the majority of it was taken by force. Secondly, what exactly does that have to do with the price of a bag of chips, or what I was even talking about? What I'm saying is that the UN ordering the USA to give say California back to the Native Americans would be no different than the Palestinians being ordered to give land to the Jewish people to form the modern state of Israel. You support Israel being given the Palestinians land but you wouldn't support the Native Americans being given some of their land back because it's already yours. You see the flaw in your logic yet?

 

[TLSS_N]

yea, right.

Yes, right. You sound like a frothing tin-foil hat wearer, do you actually read what you're typing?

The Muslim Brotherhood is only being spoken of because it's the only opposition party that was partially tolerated by Mubarak, it's not a shoe-in to be the replacement if the US-backed dictatorship crumbles.

What I type is thoroughly researched, If you do not like what I suggest then that is your problem, not mine. I particularly trust the sources I use, and I am not the only one who does. What exactly do you find questionable? That the September 11th terrorist attacks could have been prevented? or that "Mr. president" has radicalized ties? YES, there is corruption in the government, YES the people are unhappy about it, the prices of food, and the poverty! BUT, but you have to remember this, the egyptian government was no where near as bad as other governments in the region! do you hear about hands being amputated for stealing something? NO, but it happens in IRAN. How can you sit there and defend a group who want's the same goals as al-Qaeda, yet chooses to reach them through non violent means? what happens when they are in power? TELL ME, what happens!? they have to turn to violence eventually, Not everyone want's to follow their rules, it is their right to choose what they do, not have someone else choose for them! where where you people when iran was having there protests!?

 

[Anj]

"And the Lord spoke unto Obama, go unto Pharaoh, and say unto him, thus saith the Lord, Let my people go, that they may serve me"

In other news, recent UFO sightings. Here to help Egyptians build more pyramids?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Xb9JoGyy98&feature=