Net Neutrality: what it is, and why you should care

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UPDATE: It's been voted for repeal. The FCC took Net Neutrality to a vote, and it was 3-2, in favor of repeal. This doesn't mean overnight upheaval, but things will certainly change, for better or worse, in due time.
If you've been on the internet at all the past week, there's a high chance that you've heard of something called "Net Neutrality", and you've also likely heard that there might be huge changes to your usage of the internet entirely. This post serves as a quick information briefing on what Net Neutrality is, what could happen if it's repealed, and the current events going on regarding it, and just general visibility to let the community in general be informed.

What is this Net Neutrality thing?



The basic definition of network neutrality is simple: all internet traffic is considered and treated equally. It was established just a bit under three years ago, in February 2015. It prevented companies like Comcast Xfinity and AT&T U-verse from speeding up, or slowing down certain sites based upon content. If you remember, back in July 2017, mobile provider Verizon admitted to targeting Netflix traffic, and specifically throttling it, negatively affecting customers' use of Netflix. Going back to 2014, there were also issues with Comcast customers, and, that's right, Netflix users, as connections to Netflix were notoriously slow. Netflix then entered a legal deal with Comcast, in order to have Netflix connections be faster than they previously were. The 2014 incident was pre-net neutrality, and shows that before the law was enacted, certain sites like Netflix were indeed slowed, and had to specifically bargain with large telecommunication monopolies like Comcast to get fair speeds out to their customers.

In April 2017, the chairman of the Federal Communications Commission (FCC), Ajit Pai, revealed that he had plans to repeal net neutrality. It's worth noting that Pai was once the Associate General Counsel of Verizon Communications, an incredibly high up position with an ISP, who we've stated before as having throttled websites in the past.

Pai's statements on the matter included saying such things as "[the government] would be able to stop micromanaging the internet" and that the FCC and internet service providers would simply have to be "transparent about their practices so that consumers can buy a service plan that's best for them". Shortly after, Comcast began vocally supporting these statements, claiming that government regulation of the internet has been harming innovation and investments of Comcast. David Cohen, the company's Chief Diversity Officer, said that "customers would be clearly informed on our practices [...] Comcast maintains that it does and will not block, throttle, or discriminate against lawful content".

Within the movement for repealing net neutrality, also comes with power being given to the Federal Trade Commission. The FTC would then have the ability to legally charge internet service providers that were not made clear to customers.

You may notice, that within any of the claims made by Pai or Comcast, that equal traffic was never made the focus, instead putting emphasis on making sure these monopolies must be clear and transparent about what they do, but never laying down any solid rules about what they need to be transparent about or why. And, of course, if the FTC were to go after AT&T, Comcast, Verizon, Time Warner, or other assorted companies for not being transparent, these legal cases would find themselves taking years to make their way to court, allowing for them to have their way with their customers until a definitive legal ruling. Therein lies the first batch of unease and controversy with the repeal.

In short, net neutrality is a fairly new regulation, which allows for equal traffic between all sites while using the internet. The chairman of the FCC and former higher-up of Verizon wants to repeal it, however. This would allow less government interference with ISPs, but would also allow those ISPs to do what they wish, so long as they're "transparent".

Does repealing Net Neutrality have any benefits?


Spoiler alert: not really

From the inception of the internet, and up until 2015, Americans have gone without net neutrality. Ajit Pai claims that should we not have net neutrality anymore, more rural areas would be able to have more companies and providers, and it would allow for more competition and choice for the consumer. However, these smaller companies would also have to fight it out with established services, with years of experience and infrastructure refinements.

As a side note, I've spent thirty minutes researching a potential "pro" argument. I've not found many that seem reasonable. I've listed in the spoiler tag below arguments from other websites and blogs.

Green Garage Blog: While net neutrality allows for freedom of speech, the downside is that almost anything can be posted to the internet. This means that the cruelest or insensitive information imaginable can end up on the internet, and as a result, it can cause a lot of problems from people that otherwise wouldn’t be prone to being under the microscope of criticism. This means that people can post cruel, intimidating, or other harassing messages and often get away with it thanks to free speech legislation. So it can be a very toxic environment for a lot of people to put up with.

Vittana: Reduced income from internet uses limits infrastructure improvements.
There are certain businesses and high-use individuals who consume large amounts of bandwidth every month. If net neutrality was removed, these high-level consumers would be asked to pay more for what they consume. This added income could then be used to upgrade the infrastructure of each internet service provider, making it possible for advanced fiber networks to be installed in many communities.

AEI: But in many instances, fast lanes, zero-rating, and the like benefit customers. In separate research, both former FCC Chief Economist Michael Katz (with Ben Hermalin) and I (with Janice Hauge) showed that fast lanes benefit small content providers in their attempts to compete with established industry leaders. AEI scholar Roslyn Layton has shown that elderly and low-income consumers benefit from zero-rating services.

Basically, the only benefit would be if America's current economy wasn't dominated by monopolistic ISPs. Below is an interview with Ajit Pai, showing his perspective.


Scrapping these rules, Pai told Reason's Nick Gillespie, won't harm consumers or the public interest because there was no reason for them in the first place. The rationales were mere "phantoms that were conjured up by people who wanted the FCC for political reasons to overregulate the internet," Pai told Gillespie. "We were not living in a digital dystopia in the years leading up to 2015."

If left in place, however, the Title II rules could harm the commercial internet, which Pai described as "one of the most incredible free market innovations in history."

"Companies like Google and Facebook and Netflix became household names precisely because we didn't have the government micromanaging how the internet would operate," said Pai, who noted that the Clinton-era decision not to regulate the Internet like a phone utility or a broadcast network was one of the most important factors in the rise of our new economy.

Pai also pushed back against claims that he's a right-wing radical who's "fucking things up."

"[I ascribe to] the very radical, right-wing position that the Clinton administration basically got it right when it came to digital infrastructure."


What happens if/when this gets repealed, and what does this mean for you?



The worst part of this, is that there's no definitive answer of what WILL happen, only what CAN happen. What has people concerned, though, is the potential things that larger ISPs can do with this new power, should net neutrality be repealed. Internet service providers could slow access to specific sites, and speed up others, in theory, others specifically being sites who pay ISPs for faster access, and those partnered or in contracts with ISPs. Websites like Google, Amazon, Reddit, Etsy, Netflix, and many more have all broadcast their support of net neutrality, stating that without these rules in place thanks to net neutrality, internet providers would become gatekeepers to the internet, restricting what customers can see. Without definitive government restrictions, these companies could be free to split access to the internet into packages, like cable TV, indeed making true on the intention of lowering the cost of internet access, but also making it more difficult and expensive to see all of the internet, as you can right now.

Likely, what will happen, though everything is up in the air, is that certain ISPs will utilize what's called "fast lanes" and "zero rating". Fast lanes are sort of like what we talked about at the start, with Netflix and Comcast. Currently, these fast lanes and zero rating are used with mobile phone data. AT&T customers can watch DirecTV (owned by AT&T) via their mobile data, without it counting towards their monthly cap. These rules could be applied to home internet as well; if you're a Comcast user, and you want to watch Hulu (owned by NBC-Universal-Comcast), maybe your connection to Hulu will be lightning fast, thanks to these theoretical fast lanes, and they won't go towards your Comcast monthly 1 Terabyte home cap. But what if you want to watch Netflix? Either Netflix will have much lower picture quality, or take a longer time to connect to. And if Netflix pays a fee, or gets into a contract once again with Comcast, then that potentially means that Netflix's increased costs move down to the consumer, who also now has to pay more for a service as well.

What can we do?



The only thing left to do is let your voice be heard. Social media has exploded without people decrying the impending repeal of net neutrality, and the negatives that it would entail, to the point of where the majority of Reddit has been plastered with net neutrality posts.

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The FCC will take the repeal to a vote on December 14, 2017. It is highly predicted that the repeal will pass, and net neutrality will come to an end. Millions have taken to the site "battleforthenet" and "callmycongress" to contact their local representatives and congressmen in order to show that American citizens don't want net neutrality destroyed.

You can learn more at the links below. Hopefully this is helpful in describing what net neutrality is, and why it shouldn't be taken away.

:arrow:Techcrunch: These are the arguments against net neutrality and why they're wrong

:arrow: Extra Credits: What a closed internet means

:arrow:Phillip DeFranco: The Internet is under attack

:arrow:Save the internet: What you need to know


:arrow:Ars Technica: RIP net neutrality
 
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There are two types of people in this thread. People that care about net neutrality and are complaining about it, and people that don't care about net neutrality either way and hate people that care about stuff. Honestly, if you have no reason (legitimate or otherwise) to see net neutrality gone then you need to leave people alone and gtfo. Youre just being an asshole and we have enough of those.
No, there's three kinds of people in this thread. Let me correct you.
1) The people who have fallen for the "Net Neutrality Removal" propaganda, which has tricked them into thinking the FCC has removed all internet regulations.

It hasn't.

2) The people who disregard all evidence presented before them because it doesn't align with their government conspiracy theories that never had much grounding to begin with other than blatant paranoia.

3) The people who have read the proposal and the information it's based upon, and have formed their own opinions of both positive and negative.

If you are one or two, get the fuck out. Seriously just get the fuck out. This isn't your thread. You're causing a problem with disinformation which we have too much of already.
 

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No, there's three kinds of people in this thread. Let me correct you.
1) The people who have fallen for the "Net Neutrality Removal" propaganda, which has tricked them into thinking the FCC has removed all internet regulations.

It hasn't.

2) The people who disregard all evidence presented before them because it doesn't align with their government conspiracy theories that never had much grounding to begin with other than blatant paranoia.

3) The people who have read the proposal and the information it's based upon, and have formed their own opinions of both positive and negative.

If you are one or two, get the fuck out. Seriously just get the fuck out. This isn't your thread. You're causing a problem with disinformation which we have too much of already.
We're obviously not reading the same thread.

"If net neutral is voted out, this is what can become of the internet"

"Stfu liberal propaganda sheep slave"

"The chairman of the fcc worked for verizon, the majority of us citizens support net neutrality and they voted it anyway"

"You're a conspiracy theorist fucking retard liberal scumbag"

That's all I see
 
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We're obviously not reading the same thread.

"If net neutral is voted out, this is what can become of the internet"

"Stfu liberal propaganda sheep slave"

"The chairman of the fcc worked for verizon, the majority of us citizens support net neutrality and they voted it anyway"

"You're a conspiracy theorist fucking retard liberal scumbag"

That's all I see
Damn with all the straw you used in that strawman you could feed every farm animal that eats straw on the planet. Care to link posts that are exclusively lacking arguments and instead are just "conspiracy theorist libtards" and so on?
 
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We're obviously not reading the same thread.

"If net neutral is voted out, this is what can become of the internet"

"Stfu liberal propaganda sheep slave"

"The chairman of the fcc worked for verizon, the majority of us citizens support net neutrality and they voted it anyway"

"You're a conspiracy theorist fucking retard liberal scumbag"

That's all I see

Tell me, what's worse, having the government regulate the entirety of the internet with the same bullshit they've handled the abortive system that is the "affordable" care act, or, changing regulations what they were to the pre-Obama regulations? I'm sorry, but where in the name of holy hell would government regulations and involvement be a good thing for the internet? I'm pretty fucking sure it was fine prior to Obama throwing a wrench into the works.
 

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Tell me, what's worse, having the government regulate the entirety of the internet with the same bullshit they've handled the abortive system that is the "affordable" care act, or, changing regulations what they were to the pre-Obama regulations? I'm sorry, but where in the name of holy hell would government regulations and involvement be a good thing for the internet? I'm pretty fucking sure it was fine prior to Obama throwing a wrench into the works.
Before Obama there is evidence of internet throttling, for instance against Netflix. Some isp even admitted to it, forgot who. How did Obama throw a wrench into It? Currently I'm not throttled and have equal access to any site.
 
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Tell me, what's worse, having the government regulate the entirety of the internet with the same bullshit they've handled the abortive system that is the "affordable" care act, or, changing regulations what they were to the pre-Obama regulations? I'm sorry, but where in the name of holy hell would government regulations and involvement be a good thing for the internet? I'm pretty fucking sure it was fine prior to Obama throwing a wrench into the works.
Isp's were worse before net neutrality. A regulation of equality is a good thing. But you can't see past "obama"
 
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Tell me, what's worse, having the government regulate the entirety of the internet with the same bullshit they've handled the abortive system that is the "affordable" care act, or, changing regulations what they were to the pre-Obama regulations? I'm sorry, but where in the name of holy hell would government regulations and involvement be a good thing for the internet? I'm pretty fucking sure it was fine prior to Obama throwing a wrench into the works.
no. this is wrong. it wont be the same. the reason the internet didn't go to shit before is that there were regulations before obama. those original regulations are also being taken away.
 
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Damn bro, literally only 3 posts out of a whopping 14 are mentioning liberals as the excuse for something unironically. Sounds to me like your strawman is full of shit. Good try though!

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Isp's were worse before net neutrality. A regulation of equality is a good thing. But you can't see past "obama"
The whole reason he's bringing up Obama is that the regulations were changed heavily during the Obama administration's 2014 Title II Order. It's the same reason people call shit "Obamacare" when they mean the ACA. Stop being disingenuous.

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Lol you're a furry faggot and your opinion isn't valid
You're no better than he is, I'd dare say worse. Shut up and either educate yourself on the topic, or stop talking. You're part of the problem.
 
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No.. it'll likely affect you due to things having to go through the ISPs anyways.. and/or your country will go "See! The US is doing it!" Not to mention if websites start going down because of lack of revenue.....

Do not assume that anything -just- affects one area when it comes to the internet.
It will probably most likely affect the US most, but still...
Most services we use are hosted on US servers, and even to get to places like the UK or other countries they probably have to go through an ISP. I mean, they could always find one that doesn't throttle their connection but theres no guarantee that other people will use their ISP. Most likely they would be using verizon/comcast, and because of the lack of people in the using their services they could be forced to shut down their services for all users worldwide. So Netflix might soon be gone.
 

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Damn bro, literally only 3 posts out of a whopping 14 are mentioning liberals as the excuse for something unironically. Sounds to me like your strawman is full of shit. Good try though!
I can search the thread for other keywords. Libtard, fakenews, retard, conspiracy, etc. But I'm sure someone that claims to be well informed and super investigative like yourself knows how to use the search funtion.
 
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Before Obama there is evidence of internet throttling, for instance against Netflix. Some isp even admitted to it, forgot who. How did Obama throw a wrench into It? Currently I'm not throttled and have equal access to any site.
Your "evidence" is actually more generally Netflix throttling ISPs like AT&T and Verizon. Comcast may have done it sure, but it's undeniable that Netflix is fucking around here and royally mucking the debate.

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I can search the thread for other keywords. Libtard, fakenews, retard, conspiracy, etc. But I'm sure someone that claims to be well informed and super investigative like yourself knows how to use the search funtion.
are you actually legitimately whining about people being skeptical of the clearly fear-mongering media's ridiculous spins on this situation? Because that's what it looks like to me. Anything that says "The FCC just removed all the regulations on the internet" is not reporting something factually. I loathe the term as it's been co-opted by the alt right but it's by fucking definition, fake news. Conspiracy theorists as well have disregarded every single argument I've presented with ridiculous, non-arguments like "well the proposal doesn't REALLY mean that" or "THESE LAWS AREN'T REALLY LAWS SHUT UP SHILL."

So it goes both ways, numbnuts. Either they're as guilty as I apparently am, or I'm innocent and didn't do anything, and neither did they. But you can't have both.
 
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The whole reason he's bringing up Obama is that the regulations were changed heavily during the Obama administration's 2014 Title II Order. It's the same reason people call shit "Obamacare" when they mean the ACA. Stop being disingenuous.

So what? You still didn't say how it's a bad thing. One of his policies was bad, doesn't mean they all are. You guys are just stuck on the "liberal propaganda" shit.

FAKE NEWS EVERYONE!
 

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Damn bro, literally only 3 posts out of a whopping 14 are mentioning liberals as the excuse for something unironically. Sounds to me like your strawman is full of shit. Good try though!

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The whole reason he's bringing up Obama is that the regulations were changed heavily during the Obama administration's 2014 Title II Order. It's the same reason people call shit "Obamacare" when they mean the ACA. Stop being disingenuous.

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You're no better than he is, I'd dare say worse. Shut up and either educate yourself on the topic, or stop talking. You're part of the problem.
All I said is that it doesn't apply to the UK, which it doesn't.

You educate YOURSELF
 
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So what? You still didn't say how it's a bad thing. One of his policies was bad, doesn't mean they all are. You guys are just stuck on the "liberal propaganda" shit.

FAKE NEWS EVERYONE!
What the fuck are you even talking about anymore? Have you come into the thread to whine about people negatively discussing the liberal propaganda regarding the net neutrality debate, and anyone who might dare to criticize obama? Liberals and Obama aren't even relevant here. The debate isn't about them regardless of how much they're brought up. Quit getting mad over it.
 
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Your "evidence" is actually more generally Netflix throttling ISPs like AT&T and Verizon. Comcast may have done it sure, but it's undeniable that Netflix is fucking around here and royally mucking the debate.

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are you actually legitimately whining about people being skeptical of the clearly fear-mongering media's ridiculous spins on this situation? Because that's what it looks like to me. Anything that says "The FCC just removed all the regulations on the internet" is not reporting something factually. I loathe the term as it's been co-opted by the alt right but it's by fucking definition, fake news. Conspiracy theorists as well have disregarded every single argument I've presented with ridiculous, non-arguments like "well the proposal doesn't REALLY mean that" or "THESE LAWS AREN'T REALLY LAWS SHUT UP SHILL."

So it goes both ways, numbnuts. Either they're as guilty as I apparently am, or I'm innocent and didn't do anything, and neither did they. But you can't have both.
Why you take shit so personally? You haven't shared any information that would "enlighten" people. And now you have the burdon of quoting someone saying "The FCC just removed all the regulations on the internet"

I think you're the one with the strawmen.

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What the fuck are you even talking about anymore? Have you come into the thread to whine about people negatively discussing the liberal propaganda regarding the net neutrality debate, and anyone who might dare to criticize obama? Liberals and Obama aren't even relevant here. The debate isn't about them regardless of how much they're brought up. Quit getting mad over it.
We have too many arguements going on now. I didn't bring up liberals or obama, you guys did, that's what I was bitching about. I came in here to complain about people caring about net neutrality simply because "uninformed liberals". Come on, stay on track here.
 
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Why you take shit so personally? You haven't shared any information that would "enlighten" people. And now you have the burdon of quoting someone saying "The FCC just removed all the regulations on the internet"

I think you're the one with the strawmen.
Not reading =/= the lack of existence of such reading materials. I've had to link numerous posts at least 20, maybe 30 times across 5 or so pages. I'm not going through that again. You've shown your ability to use a search function, so get to work.

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Furthermore the only people saying "uninformed liberals" are a minority, we're talking like 3 posts in a 600+ post thread.
Stay mad. But also stay out. This doesn't concern your political stance and no one gives a shit about it. We're talking about how the media has created clear propaganda in a fear mongering campaign to delude the masses and I've been demonstrating it as such.
 
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Not reading =/= the lack of existence of such reading materials. I've had to link numerous posts at least 20, maybe 30 times across 5 or so pages. I'm not going through that again. You've shown your ability to use a search function, so get to work.
You're trying to make the point, you have the burdon of evidence. Also merged post above yours

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Not reading =/= the lack of existence of such reading materials. I've had to link numerous posts at least 20, maybe 30 times across 5 or so pages. I'm not going through that again. You've shown your ability to use a search function, so get to work.

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Furthermore the only people saying "uninformed liberals" are a minority, we're talking like 3 posts in a 600+ post thread.
Stay mad. But also stay out. This doesn't concern your political stance and no one gives a shit about it. We're talking about how the media has created clear propaganda in a fear mongering campaign to delude the masses and I've been demonstrating it as such.
I'm not the one being political. I'm bitching about the politically affiliate spouting shit "just because". The fact it's all conservatives is either a coincidence or says something about that party. I think you believe more than you actually know.
 

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