Same here.Prime said:I've played no games early before retail date so I hope I'm fine.
So scared tho. 360 without live is useless imo.
Without live all you have left in single player which IMO gets boring after a while.
Same here.Prime said:I've played no games early before retail date so I hope I'm fine.
So scared tho. 360 without live is useless imo.
jaxxster said:man, i dont see what microsoft gain from banning people? They say to keep the company genuine and so we buy the games? Thats just stupid in my opinion! im still gunna pirate games along with the rest of the people who got banned, so what are they gunna lose? a couple of hundred in sales from each pirate every year? No, theyre just gunna lose £35 a year from each pirate, what idiots. Id buy another 360 but whats the point, it'll probs die. Fuck microsoft because theyre just losing money and not gunnna gain anything...i doubt us pirates are gunna be like "oh, fuck ive been banned! Gunna buy every game now!"
Cunts
jaxxster said:man, i dont see what microsoft gain from banning people? They say to keep the company genuine and so we buy the games? Thats just stupid in my opinion! im still gunna pirate games along with the rest of the people who got banned, so what are they gunna lose? a couple of hundred in sales from each pirate every year? No, theyre just gunna lose £35 a year from each pirate, what idiots. Id buy another 360 but whats the point, it'll probs die. Fuck microsoft because theyre just losing money and not gunnna gain anything...i doubt us pirates are gunna be like "oh, fuck ive been banned! Gunna buy every game now!"
Cunts
Because they know some idiot will go out and buy another console. It makes it look like the 360 has a larger install base than it really does.FAST6191 said:Personally live rates shortly behind achievements when it comes to pointless things the 360 has.
Seconded - live is slightly ahead of achievements for me though. Live is pretty pointless, but achievements are completely pointless.
QUOTE(jaxxster @ Nov 14 2008, 11:53 PM) man, i dont see what microsoft gain from banning people?
gekiwolf said:jaxxster said:man, i dont see what microsoft gain from banning people? They say to keep the company genuine and so we buy the games? Thats just stupid in my opinion! im still gunna pirate games along with the rest of the people who got banned, so what are they gunna lose? a couple of hundred in sales from each pirate every year? No, theyre just gunna lose £35 a year from each pirate, what idiots. Id buy another 360 but whats the point, it'll probs die. Fuck microsoft because theyre just losing money and not gunnna gain anything...i doubt us pirates are gunna be like "oh, fuck ive been banned! Gunna buy every game now!"
Cunts
Why would they ban? If some one gets banned by pirating games they are not paying customers, but they made money on the console. If they get banned and payed for live they dont get a refund so MS keeps the money. Then the banned person get another console and MS sees a bit more money. Then the cycle repeats itself. So in the end they gain some money and loose some one who does not give them money.
I have to say this was very hard for me to do, I mean the price is nothing in terms of killing the bank but more of a principle thing. Did I have to pay to play Tribes? UT2k4? Diablo? Then WTF should I pay for Live? But when you are worried about getting banned having a gold membership gives you one more week to get those XBLA games you crave (SSFT HD Remix please). And in the end it took me a free web cam, Uno, 200 Microsoft points and a year of live for $50 to budge.FAST6191 said:Personally live rates shortly behind achievements when it comes to pointless things the 360 has. Network/splitscreen and even single player is far more fun than live for me*. Of course trying to find a co-op game nowadays is hard and after 14 years streets of rage 2 is starting to lose the charm it once had.
On my first 360 I thought achievements were a joke but now I have to say they really help me finish games. We've had the talks before, an abundance of free or even paid for games often leads to games just sitting on a desk, hard drive, of even flash cart with never getting played but the achievements give me goals. I boot up and see and 120/1000 and it reminds me I never finished. On top of that Dead Rising would have been probally boring and a quick play through if there was no achievments. I beat it 2 times and took a break, then after burnout was like, "oh shit I need that savior achievment and found out there was a whole nother ending." Achievements may not be for everyone but with my A.D.D. riddled brain they helped me focus.
QUOTE(FAST6191 @ Nov 14 2008, 04:25 PM) Then again actually paying for internet play is something I would never do, paying to be insulted by the vast majority of those I meet on live is even worse.
WeaponXxX said:I have to say this was very hard for me to do, I mean the price is nothing in terms of killing the bank but more of a principle thing. Did I have to pay to play Tribes? UT2k4? Diablo? Then WTF should I pay for Live? But when you are worried about getting banned having a gold membership gives you one more week to get those XBLA games you crave (SSFT HD Remix please). And in the end it took me a free web cam, Uno, 200 Microsoft points and a year of live for $50 to budge.FAST6191 said:Personally live rates shortly behind achievements when it comes to pointless things the 360 has. Network/splitscreen and even single player is far more fun than live for me*. Of course trying to find a co-op game nowadays is hard and after 14 years streets of rage 2 is starting to lose the charm it once had.
On my first 360 I thought achievements were a joke but now I have to say they really help me finish games. We've had the talks before, an abundance of free or even paid for games often leads to games just sitting on a desk, hard drive, of even flash cart with never getting played but the achievements give me goals. I boot up and see and 120/1000 and it reminds me I never finished. On top of that Dead Rising would have been probally boring and a quick play through if there was no achievments. I beat it 2 times and took a break, then after burnout was like, "oh shit I need that savior achievment and found out there was a whole nother ending." Achievements may not be for everyone but with my A.D.D. riddled brain they helped me focus.
QUOTE(FAST6191 @ Nov 14 2008, 04:25 PM) Then again actually paying for internet play is something I would never do, paying to be insulted by the vast majority of those I meet on live is even worse.
JKR Firefox said:Wait, does being banned also disable any download rights?
For example, would I no longer be able to download updates?
WeaponXxX said:I have to say this was very hard for me to do, I mean the price is nothing in terms of killing the bank but more of a principle thing. Did I have to pay to play Tribes? UT2k4? Diablo? Then WTF should I pay for Live? But when you are worried about getting banned having a gold membership gives you one more week to get those XBLA games you crave (SSFT HD Remix please). And in the end it took me a free web cam, Uno, 200 Microsoft points and a year of live for $50 to budge.FAST6191 said:Personally live rates shortly behind achievements when it comes to pointless things the 360 has. Network/splitscreen and even single player is far more fun than live for me*. Of course trying to find a co-op game nowadays is hard and after 14 years streets of rage 2 is starting to lose the charm it once had.
On my first 360 I thought achievements were a joke but now I have to say they really help me finish games. We've had the talks before, an abundance of free or even paid for games often leads to games just sitting on a desk, hard drive, of even flash cart with never getting played but the achievements give me goals. I boot up and see and 120/1000 and it reminds me I never finished. On top of that Dead Rising would have been probally boring and a quick play through if there was no achievments. I beat it 2 times and took a break, then after burnout was like, "oh shit I need that savior achievment and found out there was a whole nother ending." Achievements may not be for everyone but with my A.D.D. riddled brain they helped me focus.
Perhaps but taking it in turns to do levels or mess around with friends/family/random passers by on otherwise single player games. On the other hand I have that many games available if it does not hold my attention (and there are more than enough games every month I can find myself still playing at 4 in the morning) then it is not worthy.
On the other hand you seem to have the idea on achievements that the developers seemed to be aiming for, more that enough people I have met take the epenis route (renting a game just for easy points........). At least buying a fast car/big TV gives you a fast car/big TV to use. On live some days I actually saw people with some skills being chastised for lack of gamerscore, at least with the being insulted I can mute you and still enjoy a challenge.
Then again actually paying for internet play is something I would never do, paying to be insulted by the vast majority of those I meet on live is even worse.WeaponXxX said:QUOTE(FAST6191 @ Nov 14 2008, 04:25 PM)
MaHe said:Banned, damn it. Oh well, gonna swing by a store later and buy a new Arcade + the original copy of World at War. Gonna play pirates on my banned console and originals on my new one. Woohoo!
I don't think MS haven't been making a loss on the consoles for a while and read what I actually said "It makes it look like the 360 has a larger install base than it really does." not "it makes them more money". All manufacturers lose money on consoles, which they are prepared to do in the hopes of getting the largest installed userbase (which means more developers, more games, more moneyz!!!! ;> ).Moots said:nor are acheivements. Both add much replay value to often short games.
Replay value? There are hundreds of games for the 3 main systems, thousands more for the handhelds plus thousands of "retro" titles I've not played. Why would I want to waste time playing a game I've already finished with? "Achievements" are just a cheap/crap way of trying to make it look like a game has replay value, instead of adding more actual content. Besides - why do you need achievements to play a game again? Are you in the military and need everything structured? Can you not decide to do it for yourself? =]
QUOTE(Carnivean @ Nov 15 2008, 05:02 AM) That'd be totally valid if microsoft weren't making a loss per console.