Opinions re: ANTIFA?

[Xzi]

Here's my opinion, any and all extremist groups, should all be sterilized.

There are certain circumstances which would make anyone an extremist, so I'm of two minds about an act, itself so extreme as that. Many of us might face circumstances like that going forward, not in the least part due to climate change (water shortages, relocation, etc).

 

[PanTheFaun]

Here's my opinion, any and all extremist groups, should all be sterilized.

I think that's a bit extreme.

 

[SG854]

I think that's a bit extreme.

He would be in the extremist category himself.

 

[PanTheFaun]

He would be in the extremist category himself.

Exactly.

 

[Xzi]

I think that's a bit extreme.

He would be in the extremist category himself.

He was probably half-joking though, to be fair.

 

[PanTheFaun]

He was probably half-joking though, to be fair.

We should of let him explain himself first before giving him a scapegoat...

 

[SG854]

He was probably half-joking though, to be fair.

What about that other half.

 

[Xzi]

What about that other half.

In that half I get the sentiment of what he's saying, he doesn't gaf about what happens to political extremists, but IMO prison time is always sufficient. Depends on how many convictions, but assault doesn't typically carry long sentences unless it's with a weapon, only manslaughter or above possibly gets you life. You're not gonna have (any more) kids if you go away for life either way.

 

[SecureBoot]

In that half I get the sentiment of what he's saying, he doesn't gaf about what happens to political extremists, but IMO prison time is always sufficient. Depends on how many convictions, but assault doesn't typically carry long sentences unless it's with a weapon, only manslaughter or above possibly gets you life. You're not gonna have (any more) kids if you go away for life either way.

In that case, I'd say it's about 83% joking and 17% sentimental. You can check my math, it's there.

 

[Xzi]

In that case, I'd say it's about 83% joking and 17% sentimental. You can check my math, it's there.

Thank you, but all these percentages just make me want Smash for Switch sooner.

 

[Coto]

There are certain circumstances which would make anyone an extremist, so I'm of two minds about an act, itself so extreme as that. Many of us might face circumstances like that going forward, not in the least part due to climate change (water shortages, relocation, etc).

I think someone turned extremist by accident is a bit more forgivable than extremist on purpose. You could say the trick was casted upon haha.

In any case, pointing out people is an extremist stance to take, that would be judging, and judging before you can't even follow your own rules, makes you hypocrite (I don't mean you, Xzi. You are right most of the time on this subject).

Hypocrites I see too much now. But these kind of people can't even stand on their own given some time.

 

[SG854]

In any case, pointing out people is an extremist stance to take, that would be judging, and judging before you can't even follow your own rules, makes you hypocrite

When you point 1 finger at someone you point 3 fingers back at yourself. That makes you 3 times as guilty.

 

[PanTheFaun]

I think someone turned extremist by accident is a bit more forgivable than extremist on purpose. You could say the trick was casted upon haha.

In any case, pointing out people is an extremist stance to take, that would be judging, and judging before you can't even follow your own rules, makes you hypocrite (I don't mean you, Xzi. You are right most of the time on this subject).

Hypocrites I see too much now. But these kind of people can't even stand on their own given some time.

Romans 2:1-3
"You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. Now we know that God’s judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. So when you, a mere human being, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God’s judgment?"

 

[seren3]

Antifa a shit

 

[supersonicwaffle]

There are certain circumstances which would make anyone an extremist, so I'm of two minds about an act, itself so extreme as that. Many of us might face circumstances like that going forward, not in the least part due to climate change (water shortages, relocation, etc).

Could you define "extremism" in your perception to me? Trying to look it up it seems like it's a very imprecise term in english language and basically amounts to "beliefs at the far end of the political spectrum". Which is much more lax than its German definition for example.

The German Office for the Protection of the Constitution distinguishes between extremism and radicalism in this way:

• Radicals want to handle an issue at the root (latin: radix) of it. Radicals, however, operate within the constitution and are not opposed to the constitutional state. Being critical of capitalism or the economic and societal structure does not make an extremist and have a legitimate place within a pluralistic soceity
• Extremists' actions directly attack the values of a liberal democracy

Going by this definition it would be VERY hard for me to agree that there's circumstances that would make me oppose democracy.

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Going back to ANTIFA it seems very difficult to give an opinion specifically about ANTIFA for the average joe over here.
The way I understand it is that left radicalism and extremism is very nuanced, disorganized and that there's a lot of different movements within it. Some local ANTIFA may be very different from the next for example (all would be radical only some would be extreme).
What does seem to happen though is that for bigger occasions they shove their differences aside to protest / riot together. Another thing that seems to happen is that the radical side of the movement tends to tolerate the extremists.

So here's my opinion: let people be radical if they want, a healthy democracy has to be able to deal with them, being violent towards radicals in an effort to deprive them of their constitutional right to participate in the democractic proccess makes you much worse than what you're fighting.

I would say I support the "sterilization of extremism" as @the_randomizer has put it. This "sterilization" proccess should be very nuanced though and should take into account that freedom of speech IS the ultimate good and should weigh the argument for freedom of speech very heavily.
The German Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution has the capability to outright ban extremist organizations

 

[Song of storms]

Are people still bitching that Trump won by whining that a couple percentage of votes were "muh electoral college" while ignoring the fact that the mass media have gone all out to drive people away from voting him and also making some illegals vote as well? Really? Get over it, kids.

 

[Eddypikachu]

Are people still bitching that Trump won by whining that a couple percentage of votes were "muh electoral college" while ignoring the fact that the mass media have gone all out to drive people away from voting him and also making some illegals vote as well? Really? Get over it, kids.

Someone's pissy that Hillary was the one that got the popular vote huh (aka you)

 

[PanTheFaun]

Someone's pissy that Hillary was the one that got the popular vote huh (aka you)

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_9972312

 

[Song of storms]

Someone's pissy that Hillary was the one that got the popular vote huh (aka you)

Less time flaming and more time checking if your claims are true or not plz

 

[Eddypikachu]

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_9972312

If you actually read the article you linked, you'd see that it's talking about Bernie vs Hillary votes, not Hillary vs Trump votes.