[POLL] U.S. Presidential Election 2016

[manots]

At this point Ms.Clinton for me personally is the best option as much as i hate illegal immigrants, I can't ignore all the shit trump has been saying about my race and for other reasons like the fraud that was trump uni. or his stance on unlocking the gunman's phone and internet freedoms. but in the end, that's just like my opinion man lol.

 

[FAST6191]

There are other ways than simple voting, equally depending upon the voting system (the US is somewhat uncommon in having public voting on individual bills, even if most of the discourse ultimately boils down to vote on number) the vote may lose potency if it is diluted into a whole policy/manifesto (one or two things could sink an otherwise agreeable whole). Also politicians are there to do things I can't be bothered or find myself unable to do (I am not particularly good at economics, healthcare policy, much of law and other than being a pretty good armchair general I am not sure what goes for military, you want to talk tech, aspects of education, non civil engineering and non biological science and I might have more to say). On the matter of creating laws, policy and allocation of funds it would seem to be the job description.

Vote or not, I really don't care what generally harmless thing people do with their time. However I can't get to somewhere where I might want to dismiss the opinions of someone because they did not, not even close.

They're all crap. I'd vote for Trump just to leave the USA as far from the left as possible.
This is what I'll do in 2018 here in Brazil, I'll vote for Bolsonaro which is our version of Trump, instead of the leftist shit that has been buttfucking our country without consent for 13 years.

Can you really compare Brazil to the US in this instance? My knowledge of Brazil is not the greatest (it was helped by watching this video) but from what I do know it does seem to be a rather different system and economic setup.

 

[Thirty3Three]

I chose not to vote this year. But Trump. JUST because I want to see what'd happen.

 

[Luglige]

None. They're all disgusting and a joke. xD

 

[tofast4u]

not sure if serious or trolling.
everything up until the auto merger seems rather idiotic. trump will absolutely not make america more american and he's sure as hell not going to give you any more freedoms. those'll go to to companies and employers etc. and when they wont have to pay any more taxes and don't have to pay you any more money, where will things go then?

and where might that money come from? maybe from the military budget you actually dont need. because even the biggest military will never prevent those rare terror attacks. sanders ideals and russia are two ridiculously different things. trump and putin have so much in common, among them that both will completely ruin their countries eventually.

Why is a German getting involved in American politics? Of course you wouldn't want someone like Trump to win because he is an American patriot that doesn't want America to become a third world country as Germany is becoming slowly but surely. A vote for Trump is a vote for America First.

 

[brickmii82]

Why is a German getting involved in American politics? Of course you wouldn't want someone like Trump to win because he is an American patriot that doesn't want America to become a third world country as Germany is becoming slowly but surely. A vote for Trump is a vote for America First.

This post sounds like a Trump sound bite... Or ad campaign lol. No offense, but damn bro you actually stand behind that rhetoric?!?

 

[FAST6191]

No offense, but why do people vote for independent parties? They're just wasting a vote, as independent parties have never ever won.

For some it could be a protest vote or a kind of spoiler vote (or making it a spoiler effect for certain parties), and yeah in the US with the whole electoral college nonsense it makes no real mathematical sense at any point in prior history (this time probably included). In other parts of the world it then leads to coalition governments or people having seats in government and thus a third or fourth (or in India possibly 80th) voice. You have something kind of like that in the US where you can have a president from one party but congress or the senate could be from another and that makes passing laws a more interesting prospect. Equally if enough people do vote it raises the profiles or the parties and people in question -- maybe not presidents but there are plenty of senators and governors that run or go independent, and a bunch more at state level.
Alternatively you could view the question of the OP as "Which leader of a political party with some clout would you like to see running the country?".

 

[Foxi4]

@Lucifer666 The military industrial complex cannot be dismantled, it was organized to keep the U.S. industry alive. Even something as simple as a jet has parts manufactured in practically every state, specifically to stimulate the heavy industry sector even in times of recession. The U.S. doesn't have an outrageous military budget for giggles, it has it to provide hundreds of thousands of steady jobs. I *live* in the UK, the student loans here aren't some kind of godsend - you still have to pay them off if you cross the yearly income threshold within 10 years (which is set pretty low as far as I remember). Getting the student loan "pardoned" is almost impossible, and fees for college or university are outrageously high and far beyond the reach of an average bread eater. When it comes to access to higher education, you picked possibly the worst example in the EU. As for where the money comes from, it's really no secret. The government has no money of its own - *you* pay for everyone's education via taxes, so it's not "free" even if what you said was 100% accurate. As for the standing of the pound sterling, it's not evidence of a strong economy, it just happened to retain its value because every other currency went to shit too during the economic crisis, so it all evened out. As for Trump, it's absolutely an act. He's getting the Hillbilly vote by being a jackass and the republican vote for being a capitalist while simultanously pissing off the opposition (which makes them slip). He makes a big show out of it all, swaying the polls in his favour as a result. On top of that, he's also getting the vote of those who are smart enough to see through the ruse, because the way he manipulates everyone is quite a spectacle. He has everyone right where he wants them. He can make a stupid tweet about a taco bowl and it'll be retweeted so many times it breaks the internet, meanwhile the competition's response is like a whimper in the distance in comparison. That's PR right there - it doesn't matter if people have good or bad things to say, they keep talking about *you* at the end of the day. He's likely to win this election because everything he ever says or does is calculated to cause extreme reactions. He has an excellent reason to keep doing what he's doing, too - it's clearly working.

 

[Chary]

EDIT: isidewith...

Spoiler: can't stump the trump

 

[Demifiend]

Can you really compare Brazil to the US in this instance? My knowledge of Brazil is not the greatest (it was helped by watching this video) but from what I do know it does seem to be a rather different system and economic setup.

Brazil had two presidents running during the period of 2003 - 2015, respectively, Dilma Rousseff and Lula da Silva, to put in perspective, he and Dilma was one of the results born from the "Socialism of the 21th Century" that occurred in Latin America, this was happening because politicos were rebelling against "Dictators or Right Wing Presidents" at the time, the first case was in Venezuela, where H.Chavez was chosen as the president of Venezuela thanks to the support of the president, Rafael Caldera.

After Chavez, everything had started to build up in SA, starting with Kirchner, then Lula Da Silva and Dilma, Evo Morales, Rafael Correa, Ollanta Humala, Pepe Mujica, etc. due to this, organizations like UNASUR were created, but this was all thanks to the results provided by "Socialism" and Venezuela's oil, effectively.

So, in the end, how do you compare Brazil with the US?, well, is kinda like the reverse thing, people got tired of Dilma presidency, and corruption was one of the things that was ruining Brazil and so, once they found evidence about some matters regarding Money, Dilma was put in a Judge, and now Michael Temer, which is Right Wing, plans to convert Brazil in the "Capitalist Way".

This started with Mauricio Macri winning the elections of Argentina last year, the opposition congress in Venezuela, and this year with PPK winning the elections of Peru, the Referendum for Evo Morales, Michael Temer, and so, all presumably backed by the US hand in order to turn Latin America to the "Right wing" again.

In the US, the reverse is happening, they either want someone whose policies are more akin to giving services and stuff for free by the Government (Like in all Socialismos) or someone who just wants to do whatever the hell they want to, as long as he thinks like the "Typical Murican who hates Latinos and Muslims" (i.e Trump)

 

[codezer0]

I forgot about isidewith.com, and it did help before.

Spoiler: This is what I got for this year's quiz

http://ctrlv.in/769396

 

[manots]

Why should legal immigrants be afraid of Trump? My father is an Iranian immigrant and will be happily voting for Trump. All those extremist views Trump has won't come into power. Congress exists for purely that reason. I'm sure the worst he could do would be better than Hillary's plans anyways.

in my own father's case he isn't afraid of trump he just hates his guts, my father barely managed to legally migrate in the states from Mexico D.F in 1972 actually in this topic i'm much more conservative than he is. But i agree that trump should not be elected.

 

[brickmii82]

The way I see it, Trump is an egotist who blames his country problems mainly on a social class, an ethnicity, and a religious group. Sound familiar??

 

[tofast4u]

This post sounds like a Trump sound bite... Or ad campaign lol. No offense, but damn bro you actually stand behind that rhetoric?!?

Doesn't matter if he could get even half of what he says done to me, because no politician can. He at least has the courage to not back down and speak highly of the United States and unapologetically. He is unscripted and speaks his mind, and is for the people and not the globalists, he is against TAFTA, TPP, and isn't beholden to donors. Hillary Clinton is ready to sell this country out for money, and Bernie Sanders is the type of man to be cuckold.

 

[brickmii82]

Doesn't matter if he could get even half of what he says done to me, because no politician can. He at least has the courage to not back down and speak highly of the United States and unapologetically. He is unscripted and speaks his mind, and is for the people and not the globalists, he is against TAFTA, TPP, and isn't beholden to donors. Hillary Clinton is ready to sell this country out for money, and Bernie Sanders is the type of man to be cuckold.

Like I said earlier, I'm not keen on her either. The whole system is broken at this point. The gaps between social classes are getting larger, and it's becoming harder to utilize true capitalism to overcome them. It's geared for the wealthy influences.

 

[vayanui8]

Do I really have to make this decision? I'm not going to vote for Gary Johnson or Jill Stein, as neither of them even have a remote chance of winning. That leaves Trump and Hillary. The problem is, both of these candidates fucking suck! Their views align in many ways (not all ways, but quite a few), so I think we'll be in the same position next "voting season" with either candidate. The only reason I'd vote for Trump is because I'm a strong conservative and simply can't find it in myself to support a liberal candidate. So, if I vote, I'll be (reluctantly) voting for Trump.

To be honest, none of these candidates I agree with fully, although that is to be expected.
While I do like some of Trump's ideas concerning keeping America, well, America, he is not the most eloquent speaker.
Unfortunately, I can not support Hillary, as she seems determined to tear apart my freedoms. Not a fan of that. I mean, turning us into Australia? Who thinks this is a good idea?
I looked into Johnson, and I can say he's not too bad in my opinion. He seems a bit unsure of himself though, and I don't like his idea for a new drugs policy.
I tend to be more conservative, but really what I look for is not what to support, but what not to. So Trump may have to be my choice. I wish Cruz had stayed in the running...

Really, what we need here, in my opinion of course, is less Federal government control, and more to the States and people themselves.
That, and less of this whole "rights to special people groups" thing; it'll tear this country apart.

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Thank you. Someone else who sees this.
The main reason I find that some people I know would want him is the whole "free college" thing. Do people stop to wonder where that money will come from?

I remember a man I worked for during a short period years ago; he was an immigrant from Russia, and one thing he said I found interesting:
"I came to America because I didn't like Russia. Why are people wanting to make America more like Russia?"

This. I don't like any of the candidates but Trump is really the only choice for me at this point. Third party candidates have no chance at winning, and Hillary would be the world possible candidate for anything I believe in. As much as I may dislike Trump hes the only choice left that I could support in any way. I'm still sad that Cruz dropped from the race because I was a big fan of his.

 

[SonicCloud]

I'm not American but if I where, I'd vote for Trump.
See if he can fuck up the US more then Bush did, just for fun.

In reality, I don't know.
Haven't paid any interest in what they wanted and promised.
All I know is that Trump is a racist cunt and Clinton gets bad PR.

Dont forget he loves big walls

 

[TrapperKeeperX]

I hope Bernie Sanders goes third party or something will expose Hillary Clinton from her getting the nomination! I know people hate Hillary Clinton & Donald Trump! Honestly it's a bunch of Smug Narcissistic Corporate Media Liberal Pussies who are the 1% but they attempt to brainwash the 99%. The rich donors including celebrities are a bunch of Trendy Brainwashed Smug Narcissistic Corporate Media Liberal Pussies I call them Corporate Liberals since they use charity to profit off the stupid and they pretend to care this is why Hillary won California plus I blame Corporate Media for brainwashing & manipulating when she had enough votes for the presumptive nominee doesn't mean that she'll get it! Plus she still under investigation by the FBI so I hope that they will fuck over Hillary. I honestly would like a woman to be president but not Hillary Clinton she is a legacy of lies! Plus they want to glamorize the first woman president in history instead of fixing important issues we face in the United States of America! I hope Hillary Clinton doesn't get in I really want Bernie Sanders if we can't get him. I would like to see Trump win so Obama have to begrudgingly shake his hand on Trump's inauguration.

Also It's extremely disappointing in Barack Obama endorsed Hillary Clinton. It feels like he's threatened by Bernie Sanders because he wants real change! Unlike Obama he only changed a few things & profited off of empty promises and help the 1%. I did vote for Obama in 2008 but I didn't vote in 2012 because it was obvious he'd win anyway. I have to say I couldn't have been more disappointed in Obama. Like I said they glamorize history being the first African American president, now they want to glamorize it once again!

Here is a list of Celebrities that endorsed Hillary Clinton:
Amy Schumer - She is a skank of comedy anyway she isn't funny she just smug!
Julianne Moore - Smug Crooked teeth bitch!
Kerry Washington - African American endorsing a racist Hillary, What the fuck! Well Hillary Clinton got endorsed by a Grand Dragon of the Ku Klux Klan.
Lena Dunham - Fat Skank! Plus she endorsed an pro-misogynistic enabler Hillary. Due to Bill Clinton sexually assaulting women and Lena she was a sexual assault victim & a child molester how the fuck can she support Hillary?! Who's next Bill Cosby supporting Hillary Clinton?
George Clooney and his wife, attorney Amal Clooney - No surprise here well like I said they're Smug Corporate Liberals. Trendy Brainwashed Smug Narcissistic Corporate Media Liberal Pussies I just had to add it I do hate George & Amal Clooney!
Ja Rule - Another African American endorsing a racist Hillary, What the fuck! Well Hillary Clinton got endorsed by a Grand Dragon of the Ku Klux Klan.
Robert De Niro - Why? I'm very disappointed by this!
Abby Wambach - Soccer Cunt! Hillary has been against the LGBT for along time plus don't forget about Don't Ask Don't Tell back when Bill Clinton was president?! the only reason she's for the LGBT because it's fucking trending!
Beyonce - do I have to go into discussion?! Look at Kerry Washington & Ja Rule for references.
Kim Kardashian - I hate the fucking Kardashians they're famous for doing nothing! This does sound like Hillary Clinton will do the same!
Abbi Jacobson - Why? I'm so bummed out about this too! Plus she should be for Bernie since she smokes pot plus Bernie wants it legalized this is ironic?!
Katy Perry - Really Katy? Well she is a smug celebrity singer! Especially now and days these slutty female pop stars sing about their stupid relationships & vaginas.
I know there are more celebrities but honestly they're the 1% profiting off the 99% so fuck them all!

 

[DKB]

America is fucked.

 

[hobbledehoy899]

Move to Canada while you still can.

My mother hates Canada... I don't know why, she just does...