you...your really saying the wii had a more normal layout then the switch...fuck this shit I'm out. there is nothing I can say to a person in terms of controllers with that mindset
anyways, the switch is one of the few times the "gimmick" it has is a genuinely useful one that doesn't need developers to put in extra time to implement...looking at you game pad and 3d mode. personally I do indeed play a mix between handheld mode and docked. when it comes to the controllers the dpad is about the only sacrifice and honestly if you are that concerned about it you wouldn't even be playing it in handheld mode for the cases where it's relevant and instead on the tv with something like a gamecube or pro controller cause tbh, it's not that bad in games where movement is tied to the stick.
There is plenty that you can say to me, if you have that is, the question is if you want.
I normally have no desire to explain my self to people who judge so fast and label, but ill make an exception here.
I don't have my mind "
set" as you imply, also that's not what i was saying. Let me clarify
(with my limited knowledge of English language):
The point was not layout or WiiMote, the point was that Nintendo, in Wii era, included one controller that was functional as a NES controller and ergonomical for it's size without feeling cramped. Additionally you could (and they gave you) put a silicon skin that feels even better, and that controller it self, even if you don't like it, has traditional layout, at least as far as + D-pad goes, which is ACTUAl directional pad that works as such and proven design. Enough about that.
All i was saying is that switch JoyCons (pair) are bad when separated to 2 people to use as a single controller and that they are unnecessary gimmick. The reason why they sacrificed the traditional D-Pad + and put that abomination witt ordinary buttons is so that their gimmick that give you cramps would serve as a buttons for second player. Naturally, you use Analog stick, but its not good for all games, so + pad is nessesery for some games and i prefer them for 2D ones, or some 3D.
Now, they (Nintendo) could have make joycons with no gimmicks such as focus on 2 players hence sacrificing some feaetures for one player, the primary player (and reason many people buy gaming consoles in the first place, for them self ). Now If a person really
want to play in 2 player mode, they could have made joycons comfortable for 2 players when separated without sacrificing 1 player mode (d-pad and ergonomics...) for gimmicky 2 player mode. Its useless anyway, instant carpal tunel, its just a bad design and gimmicks, is what im saying. But since design is how it is, they could make it less gimmicky, which what joycons as a 2 Player controllers are when separated.
Gimmicky...it also fits nicely into term it self (note the picture), its really telling. They certanly sucseeded in that...
And to support my clain even further, id say that console has drifting issue, meaning they didnt really tought about the design beyond attracting attention.
As for WiiMote, it has traditional and comfortable layout yes, way more than single joycon, if nothing its long and bulky making it ergonomical without cramps (they also include silicon coat) .
As i said, nintendo DID included all of that and it wasnt gimmick, the wiimote it self, it was actual wii controller (as for motion and pointing, thats another topic) and if you needed 2 players you but another COMFORTABLE and well placed buttons WiiMote instead spliting it in half and sacrificing its buttons and functions for 1 player. 1 player should have been main focus is ultimately what im saying.
P.S. please dont focus on discussing the wiimote.
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"dpad is about the only sacrifice and honestly if you are that concerned about it you wouldn't even be playing it in handheld mode for the cases where it's relevant and instead on the tv with something like a gamecube or pro controller cause"
If i buy a new product i want it to be ready out-of-the-box for 1 player, i dont want to spend MORE money on top of what i gave to have 1 player controller that wont give me carpal tunnel aor cramps or dont have basic (+) D-pad.
Im not buying switch for shitty 2 player experience, if i want 2 player, thats an extra, not out of the box, thats why its gimmick that sacrificet switch for 1 player.
Again, i already bought expensive console, i shouldnt haf to buy more stuff in order to enjoy it in 1 player mode as i did with wiiu, Wii, Snes....etc
Thats simply not aceptable. If youre ok with that thats fine,but if you think thats ok, than....idk what else to say.