What im saying is that both sides should be heard out and assholes who hate a group because they just dont like who they are shouldn't be heard out. ITS THAT SIMPLE
Here's some "live and let live for you".
But if those ideas lead to harm, should we listen to them? Because I can show you the demonstrable and documented harm by the status quo that the right is trying to preserve at best, and god forbid embolden at worst. Is the line drawn at "yelling slurs" or do we take the logical position of drawing it at "supporting positions that result in societal and institutional harm?" Because then a massive chunk of Trump's platform is going to have to be excluded.
So you agree that most right-wing politicians with anti-LGBT/POC/women voting practices, and the incels that support them, should not be heard out. Now we're getting somewhere.
That's not at all what he said. The biggest bigots and hypocrites are bred and indoctrinated by the left. You feel ENTITLED to be able to speak to people like this when they disagree with you, but if someone bashed you as hard for being a silly Billy who thinks that gender is a construct and not physical science, you think you can go off on them with aplomb.
You're thinking of sexes. Gender is and always has been a social construct. Not sure how we got on this topic in this thread though...is this actually about you wanting to express support for the Russian invasion?
I just wonder... why do you want people to accept your imagnary gender, when you couldn't accept what you were born as, in the first place? Doesn't it all start with YOU?
I suppose since we're on the topic of Ukraine again, does anyone else feel that the use of "Glory to Ukraine" is kind of messy? Like, I dunno, nation defending itself or not, what with the Azov Battalion I feel apprehensive about posting glory to any country given how heavily nationalist of a phrase it is.
It's not the people. I've met a few "trans" folk who aren't like you, brother. They don't attack people who won't play along with their fantasies, because they understand that no one should ever be forced to participate in specific behavior, or to support it.
In general I'd absolutely agree but it's an easily repeatable phrase that does two things- Shows support to the Ukraini people and upsets anyone thick enough to be sucking putin's dick. If it weren't for the war I'd never use it as Ukraine definitely has a lot of internal issues to sort out but as long as Russia wants to swing it's (increasingly obviously) impotent dick around it makes for a fantastic slogan.
It's walking the line of being overly-nationalistic for sure, but given the context I view it more as a finger in the eye of Russian imperialism/Putin than anything else.
This is much more succinct than what I said xD
Lmao is that wee fud still going? I blocked them so if they've wasted any time replying in here I've certainly not read it!
Yeah, these are both fair positions as well. We've got confirmation that brass is reading online posts and shit so I'd imagine it probably sucks as a boot on the ground to have to read that the whole world is against an invasion you probably aren't even big on. There's undeniable utility in the phrasing itself, I'm still just apprehensive about calling a nation glorious and not its people.
I don't block anyone unless they're a spammer. I just scroll past their posts and be really snide. Nothing makes right wingers more upset than a condescending woman.
I thought I explained it pretty well, that even if the person is harmless in intent and is just duped into supporting the positions, the person they're supporting result in net negative qualities of life as a whole even if on the surface their stances sound benign like "I want family values," or "I want our workforce protected," because both of these phrases have come to entail religiously sourced oppression of various sexualities and gender identities or outright xenophobia, respectively. No one said your position was hateful and I think you should quit trying to see it like that.
