Tom Bombadildo has left the editorial team following his TOTK review

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Hi everybody,
I'd like to bring you up to speed about a few things that happened yesterday on the site and on the staff discussion channels.

Short version:
Tom Bombadildo, a member of our editorial team (aka. mag staff) has left the staff yesterday after a dispute concerning his 'Tears of the Kingdom' review.
He had his review almost ready for publication, but I, along with several members of the staff, had concerns with it, seeing as he rated it 6.9/10 (that is the score he gave to all his recent reviews).
I suggested that we bring in someone else and do a co-op review, in order to have some sort of balance, to make the review more representative of the GBAtemp staff's opinion. Tom didn't like this at all and decided it was time to leave.

Long version:
A few years ago, at the time Zelda BOTW was released, Tom designated himself to review the game. He posted this review: https://gbatemp.net/review/the-legend-of-zelda-breath-of-the-wild.564/ the score, as you all know it, was 7/10. At the time our review became a bit of a joke online because it was the lowest score any website had given to BOTW.

I personally didn't do anything in particular when this happened, thought it was fair that someone didn't like the game that much, and that was the end of it.
We had to own the criticism and I respected Tom's work and never really came and talked to him about the subject other than make the occasional joke about it.

When the time came for our TOTK review, Tom decided, again all by himself, that he should be the one to review it. By the time we had a say in anything, he had already come up with most of it. So Chary and I just let him go ahead with it. We laughed it off on the telegram group, I thought "what the hell, let's see what happens".

Later on, Tom revealed he was going to score the game 6.9 out of 10. He had already updated his review and said he was almost done.
Why 6.9 ? because, "nice", right? He gave the same score to all of his latest reviews:

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Realizing this, I just couldn't allow GBAtemp's name to be dragged through the mud again. While I respect Tom's opinion as a reviewer, I do not believe his review of TOTK was written with the fairness it deserved. He clearly wasn't a big fan of the first game. That wasn't a requirement for reviewing TOTK, but you would need to have the honesty to acknowledge the hard work that was put into the game to improve upon the first one.

What Tom doesn't seem to understand is that he isn't just speaking for himself (if he were, he would be posting his review as a 'member' review, i.e. not an official GBAtemp review). His words represent our site on the public scene. People are going to share our review and we are going to be made a laughingstock again. I felt that I had to prevent that from happening.

I had a talk with Chary, our chief editor, who shared the same concerns. We tried to figure out a way that wouldn't upset Tom. I came up with the idea of bringing in someone else into the equation; someone who wouldn't be in the same negative state of mind as Tom and who could bring balance. I didn't suggest changing the score (just like I didn't ask Tom to change his score on the BOTW review) but simply to ensure the review is more representative of the staff's opinion, the staff as a whole, not just Tom with his constant 6.9 ratings.

After Chary presented him with the idea, Tom didn't take it well at all and decided to leave. He revealed to us that he was going to leave anyway, and that this would be his last review no matter what.
But before leaving, he forced the publication of his review (against our orders). As a result some of you may have seen Tom's 6.9 review for a very short time.
I'm here to tell you that Tom's review won't be published - or if he wants to publish it, he is free to do so under his own name (I personally think that he should).

However there will be someone else in our team that's going to review the game, and that will be our official review. I know who this other person is because Chary told me, and I'm not going to be influencing him/her, I'm just expecting them to publish something they really believe in, that they put a lot of effort in, and to come up with a fair score - fair in that it acknowledges and respects the work that the developers put into the game, without bias.


Last but not least: why did I post this message in public?
1) because some of you may have seen the review while it was online
2) because I think this is actually an interesting debate to have. Did we handle things correctly? Or did we make a bad decision that harmed our own integrity? Should we have published Tom's review as is? Tell me what you think.
3) because this gives Tom a chance to present his own perspective if he wants to. In spite of everything that happened, I respect him for his past work at GBAtemp and I will miss having him around.
 

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A lot of people jump right to the numbers and couldn't bother reading the actual review.

Remember this gem, for example:

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Everyone lost their mind over "Too Much Water", and that review alone did somewhat stain the reputation of the reviewer/platform hosting the official review.

It's just like news headlines where people extrapolate with misleading/incomplete informations, and turn what was meant to be a well written post into a shitshow.

I do have some mixed feelings about this, and having not been around until this thread was created doesn't really help me understand too much of the situation, but I think there was a valid concern that needed to be addressed, and it is sad to see things had gone this way.

I think having brought this to the public for transparency was the best thing to do to avoid misunderstandings, but I think it would have been better if this was handled internally, and given a bit more time for things to settle down before hastily posting a thread, throwing someone under the bus in the process.

This of course, is just my opinion, I can totally understand why this was brought to the public in first place.
 

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A lot of people jump right to the numbers and couldn't bother reading the actual review.

Remember this gem, for example:

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Everyone lost their mind over "Too Much Water", and that review alone did somewhat stain the reputation of the reviewer/platform hosting the official review.

It's just like news headlines where people extrapolate with misleading/incomplete informations, and turn what was meant to be a well written post into a shitshow.

I do have some mixed feelings about this, and having not been around until this thread was created doesn't really help me understand too much of the situation, but I think there was a valid concern that needed to be addressed, and it is sad to see things had gone this way.

I think having brought this to the public for transparency was the best thing to do to avoid misunderstandings, but I think it would have been better if this was handled internally, and given a bit more time for things to settle down before hastily posting a thread, throwing someone under the bus in the process.

This of course, is just my opinion, I can totally understand why this was brought to the public in first place.
To be fair, the world could have used a little more water. -Team Aqua
 

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Personally, I don't think it's realistic for literally every review source to give a game 9 or 10/10, when no game is perfect, and this one in particular has mechanics and elements not everyone is gonna like - you know, limited stamina, fragile weapons, lack of direction due to limited dev-placed map markers, goddamn Korok Seeds again UGH WHY, etc.

There should be reviews that give this game a 7 or such, to highlight the issues most other reviews will gloss over if not just leave out entirely, and people with differing opinions are just as valid, if not necessary.

However...Tom putting the same 6.9 score on his last three reviews in addition to this is suspicious and worth pulling the review over, and if the guy is tired of reviewing then he shouldn't be a reviewer anymore. A temporary suspension, to see if he just needed a break before jumping back in, would've been my first port of call here, not removing him entirely (that'd be if Tom continued his tired joke after the suspension's lifted, in my book), but that's just me with zero managerial experience.
 
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I enjoyed read the reviews that Tom Bombadildo and other members wrote and it does help with my decision to determine whichever games are worth to play, but forum admin - Costello is within his right to protect the forum interest and reputation and I don't blame on his decision at all, and forum staffs are awesome.

As for me, I prefer to write my reviews under my name and don't like to be represented by sponsors, such as forums, media nor groups on social media, and I'm not good with writing the reviews when compared to other members.

As for Tom Bombadildo, you will be missed and I enjoyed read your reviews and I fully respect your opinion on products.

As for Costello, thank you for sharing the information with us and I totally respect your decision to manage the forum. Hopefully you would find new reviewers to review the products eventually. I have a suggestion - what about more than one review for same product with one review that is more critical to Zelda: TOTK and other one review is more praise to Zelda: TOTK, and both entitled different opinions.
 
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I have a suggestion - what about more than one review for same product with one review that is more critical to Zelda: TOTK and other one review is more praise to Zelda: TOTK, and both entitled different opinions.
It was explained in a reply that there has to be only one because it gets picked up by sites like OpenCritic. Might be a nice idea to have a section of the forum for the 'less official' reviews like this though.
 
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I suggested that we bring in someone else and do a co-op review, in order to have some sort of balance, to make the review more representative of the GBAtemp staff's opinion. Tom didn't like this at all and decided it was time to leave....
Stubborn, self-centered but also courageous choice, which nevertheless reveals a true temper: then he really had two balls like that! Too bad we won't see them dangling here and there again: we were used to them by then. Until next time... maybe. 😉
 

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Honestly, I think 7 (6.9) /10 is fairly realistic. I've played a few hours of it, and already have PTSD for how much of a slog the original game was.

Griding for ingredients isn't very fun and grinding dragons to get their claws/scales/etc took it to a whole new level of nuisance. Breaking swords/shields/bows is also the dumbest mechanic in any Zelda game. It's padding for padding's sake. I'll play this one to completion just to tick the box of saying I've beaten every Zelda game out there since 1987 but this'll definitely be a one time play.
 

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The fact that you have to worry about upsetting people or a company with an opinion sucks.. every other place is giving it basically 10's, does that mean gbatemp has to as well or risk being declared haters?
 
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He was a reviewer not an opinion piece writer. If he couldn't objectively look at the game, what was the point of voluntarily writing a "review"? And given he didn't even like BOTW, it's baffling he thought he was qualified to write a review for TOTK. It's pretty clear he only did it specifically as a hit piece for attention, or out of pointless spite because the game dares have things he personally dislikes and doesn't understand the purpose of.

The juvenile 6.9/10 pretty much says it all. It wasn't a review, it was barely even a hit piece. It was just a sad cry for attention with no substance or merit. It would've been embarrassing to continue publishing things like that as if it were a review. I also personally hate review scores, but they're still part of how shit is done. Either give it an actual score, or don't. Scores are arbitrary between outlets, but you as a writer can determine a rough idea of what your score means. Unless you turn it into le meme.

There's a big difference between objectively looking at a game, and blindly smearing it for perfectly acceptable things you simply dislike. Especially big titles that will garner a lot of attention.

If I went and gave the latest NFL game a 6.9/10 because it's stupid how you have to adhere to Football's rules and are incapable of kicking around a life-sized Cosby bodypillow instead of a football, that wouldn't be a good or object review. It'd just be me playing a game I clearly didn't enjoy and lamenting features I personally wanted. Even if you don't personally care about scores, they obviously matter, and like I said, if you need to take a stand... just don't give a score. But rating something below its predecessor despite the fact it largely remedied virtually every complaint you had about the original...that's just pure stupidity. It's objective fact that TOTK is BOTW but with more content. More enemies, more weapons, more interesting powers, more ways to interact with the world and puzzles. More areas to explore. Hell, even the fucking performance is better.

tl;dr if you're going to shit on a game, at least make some fucking coherent sense.
 

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On the one hand, I thought BotW was a 7/10 (I’d probably have more fun with cheats enabled), so I’m not even touching TotK.

On the other hand, unless a game absolutely deserves a joke score (e.g. meme game, so bad it’s good, etc.) then giving a game an overused meme score is wrong IMO.

That said, I don’t think the site (or any site) should be concerned about others, so long as the review itself was fair.
 

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The game is crap, don´t like it. It takes my whole free time,damn game is so addictive :D Gonna play it really slow :switch:
 
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It sounds like Tom wrote a fair review and put a lot of time and thoughts into it. I don't think he was unqualified to judge the game given the time he spent with it and his experience with previous installments. That being said he ruined it by pushing his no-scores-agenda... Let's face it - scores are important. They are the first thing people look at, sometimes even the only thing. They don't need to be "mathematically correct" but should give you a general feeling if a game is bad/meh/kinda okay/pretty good/impressive. I agree that it's hard to appreciate the work that went into a game by numbers - especially when you look at indie games with rather simple concepts getting 9s and 10s for simply achieving what they were trying to do and then compare them to massive projects like TOTK that achieve so, so much more but of course struggle more to have everything perfectly balanced and technically clean. It's incredible what Nintendo did with TOTK and it can't be punished for its ambition. It's no 10 (what is a 10 anyway?) but a 7 feels like it has major flaws holding it back and indeed puts a bad light on gbatemp, so I'm behind Costello's and Chary's decision.

I think Tom could potentially keep his review the way it is if he only could agree to follow the site's rules and put a score on it that reflects the fact he enjoyed the game despite minor problems.
 
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At least it wasnt the lowest of any website this time.
The other site that gave it a 6 is an eSports venue

Which I think is another case of someone who doesn't like adventure games reviewing an adventure game
 
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Thank you both for the transparency.

While I agree that numerical game scores are nigh on useless and definitely not indicative of the game's quality or worth, if a site uses numerical scores, and you are writing a review specifically for that site, either make an effort to come up with a score or refuse to write the review at all.

This "6.9 on all reviews" silent protest was a dick move. Yes, there was a disclaimer in the reviews themselves, but we know every single aggregator, score counter, search engine, SEO software, will take the number and discard all the rest, and on the vast interwebz nobody will see the review and all anyone will see is "GBAtemp gave the game X out of 10".

The number represents the website to the outside world. The numerical format should, in theory, represent the consensus of the entire site staff, and not be a throwaway joke. If Tom didn't want to give a numerical score to his reviews, he should have asked the rest of the staff to read his review and come up with a suitable number to represent it. But hey, hindsight is 7/10 :tpi:

That being said, if Tom was the only one willing and able to put the 40-whatever hours into playing the game, and compose an entire review, it is his prerogative to give the game a score he felt it deserved (and elaborated on why in detail - read the review). If BOTW got 7/10, and Tom felt TOTK was almost, but not quite as good, 6.9/10 is a good way of saying that with the final score.

Too bad it was undermined by the previous string of joke scores.
 

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Yea, i'll echo what folks said about review scores (they are unreliable & inaccurate). But i also understand that many users (or consumers) jump to the end of a review (visual or written) and they'll take the numbers without any context. So it's understandable to have a fair and objective score, the sum of the "pros & cons" that're detailed in the review..

As for the "GBATemp review" thing, why not make a co-op (like you said) review, a review collab with 2 (or more?) editors, since it's such a BIG game, each detailing what they liked, didn't like etc. about the game, and each one gives their own score? Or perhaps splitting the review between the two?

One more thing to add is, if whether there'd be some "day 1" patch that could affect & fix some of the issues, bugs, or even things like the framerate present in the game before release, that should be taken into consideration when writing the review i think.

And FWIW, Tom should post his review here - since he worked so hard on it and for people who didn't read it (such as myself)- maybe not as a GBATemp branded review, but maybe in the user submitted news section ('cause i guess having 2 reviews about TOTK in the front page could confuse people?).
 

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6.9/10 or 7/10 for Zelda TotK seems like a fair score considering it's just more of the same and if it were given an 8, 9, or even a perfect 10 it'd just look biased (whether IGN, GameSpot, etc).

Paying $70 for what feels like DLC, I'll pass. Maybe I'll play it later and an enhanced version on the successor of the Switch.
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I just couldn't allow GBAtemp's name to be dragged through the mud again.
What do you mean?

Users from all over the world visit GBATemp to know how to hack their consoles and way, way back this website used to provide GBA roms which was awesome. I loved that era.

Everyone knows what GBATemp is now and that's fine.
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I don't believe the game is a 96 or a 97, that's too high. But the game CERTAINLY isn't a 6/10.
60/100? Maybe not, but it'd be fair to give 70/100.
 
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