Trump administration moves to ban bump stocks

[dimmidice]

but apparently it's unconstitutional to make things illegal that were legal before.

That doesn't sound right at all.

 

[cots]

That doesn't sound right at all.

It's perfectly within in bounds of the Constitution to make things illegal that were once legal. However, outlawing guns specifically violates the Right to Bare Arms so it is unconstitutional. So you're correct, it isn't right.

 

[Taleweaver]

Here’s the information.

https://crimeresearch.org/2015/06/c...m-mass-public-shootings-in-the-us-and-europe/

And if you want information on mass shooting rate on Belgium being on par with U.S. it’s here.

Belgium also has bombing attacks that killed 31 people and wounded in 180. Which is worse then any U.S. public mass shooting in terms of fatalities and woundings.

They under count the shooting rates in other countries, or they collect data differently then the U.S., like the U.K. collect data differently that it reduces mass shooting homicide rates by 15%. They are comparing apples to oranges. If the U.S. did the same then they can reduce numbers too.

Sometimes countries try to hide their mass shooting numbers. U.S. is very detailed in their data collection and other countries are not the same which can overplay U.S. numbers in comparison.

I'll repeat: lies.

Okay: statistics. Same difference.

 

[SG854]

Source : https://thinkprogress.org/debunking-john-lott-5456e83cf326/

Source : https://thinkprogress.org/debunking-john-lott-5456e83cf326/

Wow I’m impressed. He is the most believable snake oil salesman I seen. He travels to college campusus he debates people, he wins debates, he uses data, playing with definitions, using false equivalences. A lot of people are using his research in debates. You really have to dig deep to find flaws in his research. He even try to sue people for saying things about his work.

@Xzi was using his research to try to counter points I said. And me and @TotalInsanity4 we’re debating his data as if it means anything. GG John Lott. You had us fooled.

I’m not even mad he lied. I’m impressed. People should learn from John Lott on how to be a snake oil salesmen.

 

[Xzi]

I’m not even mad he lied. I’m impressed. People should learn from John Lott on how to be a snake oil salesmen.

Please. We already idolize con-men in this country enough as it is.

 

[SG854]

Please. We already idolize con-men in this country enough as it is.

I was mad at first. I hate being lied too.
But then reading this article and all the stuff he goes through to be believable, I’m very impressed.

And people using him as a role model for being a con man was joke.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/psmag....-the-mind-of-americas-favorite-gun-researcher

 

[TotalInsanity4]

I’m not even mad he lied. I’m impressed. People should learn from John Lott on how to be a snake oil salesmen.

I kinda am. It's bad enough I hear enough BS whenever I pop on talk radio in the car from people with no credentials whatsoever, I'm slightly irritated that someone publishing what outwardly looks to be legitimate studies is managing to fool a much grander audience. Granted, I didn't sit down and properly vet the source, I just read through the statistics the page showed, but that's realistically more than most people would do

 

[SG854]

I kinda am. It's bad enough I hear enough BS whenever I pop on talk radio in the car from people with no credentials whatsoever, I'm slightly irritated that someone publishing what outwardly looks to be legitimate studies is managing to fool a much grander audience. Granted, I didn't sit down and properly vet the source, I just read through the statistics the page showed, but that's realistically more than most people would do

This is such a problem from both sides of the debate it’s hard to tell who’s actually telling the truth. Sometimes I just don’t know who you to believe anymore. I have caught the left and the right doing stuff like this. It’s really annoying.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

This is such a problem from both sides of the debate it’s hard to tell who’s actually telling the truth. Sometimes I just don’t know who you to believe anymore. I have caught the left and the right doing stuff like this. It’s really annoying.

Oh, I don't deny that. It just personally frustrates me how easy it appears to be to completely falsify information these days, as someone who's studying in the journalism field and has been strictly taught to vet e v e r y t h i n g

 

[cots]

This is such a problem from both sides of the debate it’s hard to tell who’s actually telling the truth. Sometimes I just don’t know who you to believe anymore. I have caught the left and the right doing stuff like this. It’s really annoying.

We need a category for "junk research". Oh, wait ...