Trump administration moves to ban bump stocks

[Taleweaver]

And when it comes per capita casualty rate the European Union during the Obama Administration was 27% higher then the U.S. And European countries that has gun control laws like France, Netherlands and Belgium which is where @Taleweaver is from, has mass public shooting rates that are about as high as the U.S.

I'll be short : lies.

 

[Xzi]

I'll be short : lies.

Well with the way they did the study it makes some nations look worse than they really are. It's per million citizens, so if you have a much lower population than the US, and a much lower mass shooting rate, it can still be the same as America per million citizens.

If we're looking at the flat number of mass shootings without taking population or other factors into account, it skews quite a bit more how you would expect it to.

In a paper that had not yet been published, Lankford conducted a statistical analysis of the total number of public mass shooters per country from 1966 to 2012 in 171 countries and controlled for the national population size. He said his data showed the United States had significantly more mass shooters, with 90 between 1966 and 2012, compared with 202 in the rest of the world.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...-world-mass-shootings/?utm_term=.bc1f2b79030a

There is some dispute with these numbers because of the way the FBI classifies mass shootings (or doesn't), but if you just count up the incidents then this is pretty close to accurate.

 

[Ratatattat]

Haha, americans. Would'nt know a good thing if it hit them in the face. You are so lucky to have probably the greatest president in your history. Someone who is not a bullshitting typical politician spouting meangingless and nothing politically correct garbage. He is as businessman who understands how things are run.

I have american friends and they dont shut up about bad mouthing trump. The ironic thing is these are people who suddenly dont like trump because he is supposedly against women and immigrants. When the same people spent the last 20 years destroying countries and killing countless children.

Oh well, americans. I wish Britain had Trump. We'd get things done.

Check the stock market lately?

 

[cots]

Check the stock market lately?

What's wrong with the Stock Market?

https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/05/politics/trump-dow-jones-interactive/index.html

If you base it solely on today's values you might have a point, but that's not how it works.

 

[SG854]

I understand the meaning you meant to convey with this statement, but it also implies that any dissent against Trump is inherently from people who have already disliked him, and is therefore invalid. Trump broke constitutional law day one in the form of violating the Emoluments Clause by retaining control of his business capital while in office, yet you clearly trust him enough for him to retain your respect.

On top of that, respect based solely on the rank of an individual implies trust in whatever individual holds that rank

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Yes

He’s not violating the emoluments clause. Before he became president he handed over management all of his companies to Allen Weisselberg, and his sons Eric and Donald Jr.

When they wrote the constitution they never thought that paying your hotel bill was an emolument. And it’s ridiculous to think that paying your hotel bill corrupts the president.

And Trump isn’t keeping the money, which is the main concern in the lawsuits. The Trump orginization has vowed to donate all profits from foreign governments to the U.S. treasury. And if he’s not keeping the emoluments then he is not gaining or profiting from foreign interests.

 

[Xzi]

What's wrong with the Stock Market?

https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/05/politics/trump-dow-jones-interactive/index.html

If you base it solely on today's values you might have a point, but that's not how it works.

It's down like 2000 points for the year. It's gonna drop like 500-600 today alone because Trump said the shutdown would be averted and then changed his mind.

 

[SG854]

I'll be short : lies.

Here’s the information.

https://crimeresearch.org/2015/06/c...m-mass-public-shootings-in-the-us-and-europe/

 

[cots]

It's down like 2000 points for the year. It's gonna drop like 500-600 today alone because Trump said the shutdown would be averted and then changed his mind.

This is solely Trump's fault? No one else contributes to this (the point drop not the border wall decision)?

 

[Ratatattat]

What's wrong with the Stock Market?

https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/05/politics/trump-dow-jones-interactive/index.html

If you base it solely on today's values you might have a point, but that's not how it works.

Using old info to make a point soon fails

 

[Xzi]

This is solely Trump's fault? No one else contributes to this (the point drop not the border wall decision)?

The president doesn't have an iron grip on what happens to the stock market, but the market hates uncertainty more than anything, and the uncertainty over the shutdown is definitely responsible for today's losses. Trump is basically condensed uncertainty in human form.

 

[SG854]

I'll be short : lies.

And if you want information on mass shooting rate on Belgium being on par with U.S. it’s here.

Belgium also has bombing attacks that killed 31 people and wounded in 180. Which is worse then any U.S. public mass shooting in terms of fatalities and woundings.

They under count the shooting rates in other countries, or they collect data differently then the U.S., like the U.K. collect data differently that it reduces mass shooting homicide rates by 15%. They are comparing apples to oranges. If the U.S. did the same then they can reduce numbers too.

Sometimes countries try to hide their mass shooting numbers. U.S. is very detailed in their data collection and other countries are not the same which can overplay U.S. numbers in comparison.

 

[AkGBA]

The CPRC isn't impartial. John Lott is an advocate for Gun Ownership. Do not trust blindly those stats.

About your Constitution... How can you be guided by a 300 years old document ? I'm puzzled. The world and your people ain't the same anymore. Write a new one.

 

[Xzi]

He’s not violating the emoluments clause. Before he became president he handed over management all of his companies to Allen Weisselberg, and his sons Eric and Donald Jr.

He's very much still in charge of his businesses, Eric and Don Jr couldn't run a lemonade stand properly and nor would Trump trust them to. The emoluments lawsuits against him have been allowed to proceed by federal judges, so there's obviously enough there to be convincing. They're currently in the discovery phase.

 

[AkGBA]

Sometimes countries try to hide their mass shooting numbers. U.S. is very detailed in their data collection and other countries are not the same which can overplay U.S. numbers in comparison.

Can't wait for the CDC to be able to study this and gun violence again.

 

[SG854]

The CPRC isn't impartial. John Lott is an advocate for Gun Ownership. Do not trust blindly those stats.

About your Constitution... How can you be guided by a 300 years old document ? I'm puzzled. The world and your people ain't the same anymore. Write a new one.

That’s a non argument. Everytime when somebody hears something they don’t like it’s he’s a gun advocate. Ok? So?

Maybe he’s a gun advocate because data shows guns ownership not to be as bad as people make them out to be.

And his work is peer reviewed and provides his data. He also counted more mass shooting murders then what Lankford counted. So it’s obvious Lankford is missing a lot of relevant data.

 

[AkGBA]

And his work is peer reviewed and provides his data. He also counted more mass shooting murders then what Lankford counted. So it’s obvious Lankford is missing a lot of relevant data.

Wait, isn't he that guy who lied about the "peer-reviewed" study ?

 

[SG854]

Wait, isn't he that guy who lied about the "peer-reviewed" study ?

What? You’re just making up stuff now.

 

[Xzi]

About your Constitution... How can you be guided by a 300 years old document ? I'm puzzled. The world and your people ain't the same anymore. Write a new one.

I don't think we need to write a new one, but the constitution was meant to be a living document that had changes and additions made to it over time. People viewing it as some sort of infallible and complete religious doctrine that was written in stone are way off base.

 

[AkGBA]

What? You’re just making up stuff now.

Last fall, Lott’s website proudly declared it published a study in a peer-reviewed journal. “CPRC Has New Refereed Publication in Econ Journal Watch: Explaining a Bias in Recent Studies on Right-to-Carry Laws” blared the headline on his website. A link to a downloadable copy of the paper also touts its place in the economic journal.

Having a study accepted in a peer-reviewed journal was a big win for Lott, boosting both his own reputation and that of the CPRC. After all, this would be one of the few publications in recent history that Lott dared subject to peer-review.

The only problem? The paper was never actually published in the Econ Journal Watch.

As the head editor of the journal explained to us, while Lott’s paper had initially been considered for publication, it was ultimately rejected. The issue of the journal Lott said he was published in has no trace of his paper. It is impossible for Lott to have not known his paper was in fact rejected, and it would have taken little effort to correct both the post on the CPRC website and the uploaded paper on SSRN. This is a clear cut case of fraud.

Source : https://thinkprogress.org/debunking-john-lott-5456e83cf326/

 

[Xzi]

Source : https://thinkprogress.org/debunking-john-lott-5456e83cf326/

Thanks for the info. It's just dumb that we haven't allowed studies on gun violence from the CDC or other groups for so long. If we had more data from more sources to compare, then it would be obvious who was bullshitting. Thankfully the NRA is starting to lose its grip on Washington as they face corruption scandals and financial ruin, so the CDC was re-authorized to study gun violence some time back. In a year or two we should have some more solid data.