Trumps miracle cure developed from baby tissue

[depaul]

The average person that I am will ask: Where was this cure hiding this whole time? Why they never talked about it to the public? Why not research some method to mass produce this drug if it's that effective?

 

[mrjoshuaco]

Where was this cure hiding this whole time?

Because it's not a cure, it's a component of the overall treatment. I was a patient in the COVID ICU for 9 days last month and I received a very similar treatment. This included donated plasma with antibodies (similar purpose as Regeneron), Remdesivir (an antiviral), blood thinners and a metric fuckton of antibiotics and steroids (dexamethasone). I ended up making a nearly full recovery and was discharged with oxygen which I still use at night (SpO2 drops below 90 at night still), but otherwise no side effects beyond "brain fog" and a lot of fatigue still. Hopefully that sheds some light on this, and reinforces that as they've learned more about COVID, the treatment for it has started to become more consistent as efficacy has been measured.

Edit: For reference, I'm a male in my mid-40's, not at risk and in good health and fitness. I rarely ever get sick. I was just unlucky.

Edit 2: If you've tested positive and have cleared quarantine - please donate plasma if you're able. It's in short supply, and it makes a big difference for those who could use it like I did. I've already got my appointment set to do so now that I'm symptom-free.

 

[osaka35]

That's just Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals" in practice. #4, “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.” It's dishonest, but effective against those who are ignorant of the tactic.

Pointing out hypocrisy is dishonest? Or do I miss the meaning?

The average person that I am will ask: Where was this cure hiding this whole time? Why they never talked about it to the public? Why not research some method to mass produce this drug if it's that effective?

We know how viruses work. Things like this have proven helpful for other viruses, but are not something readily available to just anyone. Basically they did all the things that should help given what we know, and these are generally things the average joe wouldn't be able to do easily (especially all of them) without cash and luck. It's probably better to think of them as general techniques that have proven useful for other viruses, rather than some magic pill no one else knows about. It might not have worked. But certainly wasn't going to hurt

 

[depaul]

Because it's not a cure, it's a component of the overall treatment. I was a patient in the COVID ICU for 9 days last month and I received a very similar treatment. This included donated plasma with antibodies (similar purpose as Regeneron), Remdesivir (an antiviral), blood thinners and a metric fuckton of antibiotics and steroids (dexamethasone). I ended up making a nearly full recovery and was discharged with oxygen which I still use at night (SpO2 drops below 90 at night still), but otherwise no side effects beyond "brain fog" and a lot of fatigue still. Hopefully that sheds some light on this, and reinforces that as they've learned more about COVID, the treatment for it has started to become more consistent as efficacy has been measured.

Edit: For reference, I'm a male in my mid-40's, not at risk and in good health and fitness. I rarely ever get sick. I was just unlucky.

Thanks for your explanation and wish you full recovery my friend. Get well soon.

 

[Hanafuda]

Pointing out hypocrisy is dishonest? Or do I miss the meaning?

Alinsky's rule is "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules."

But Alinsky doesn't have a rule called "We follow our own rules." Unless those "Rules" are the Rules for Radicals themselves. And if so, that's not good.

Rules for Radicals is only about destruction. That's all they're good for. It's all amoral expediency and opportunism. There's nothing constructive in Alinsky's guide to causing collapse.

 

[VartioArtel]

FWIW, it's a little more complicated than that. From what I could gather reading USA Today's article on this, the company Regeneron did utilize cells that are derived from fetal liver cells from 1972 in its early research on the treatment method. Pretty much every major pharmaceutical company would have to say the same about the initial R&D on most of their cutting edge stuff. But the actual 'antibiotic cocktail' treatment they developed for Covid-19 uses cells from a human donor who survived the virus, and an immunized mouse. They didn't harvest stem-cell material from fetuses to produce the antibody treatment that was given to the President.

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/5901542002




I'm not an advocate for banning abortion, btw. I think it's none of the government's business, especially pre-viability.

I also think the odds of Roe v. Wade ever being reversed are about on-par with the odds of Mozambique becoming the world's dominant superpower in this decade.

Considering last I checked Roe v Wade was almost immediately superceded by Doe V Bolton which was done later the same day and specified details, but gets no coverage because everyone was circlejerking or ragejerking over Roe V Wade anyhow.

 

[osaka35]

We'll all get a vaccine next year at some point, but there will be better treatments for those with more money and power. Just like everything else.

Alinsky's rule is "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules."

But Alinsky doesn't have a rule called "We follow our own rules." Unless those "Rules" are the Rules for Radicals themselves. And if so, that's not good.

Rules for Radicals is only about destruction. That's all they're good for. It's all amoral expediency and opportunism. There's nothing constructive in Alinsky's guide to causing collapse.

Never heard of Alinsky before. I'll have to add that to my reading list. And so the other half of the thought I'm missing is: To distract from your own hypocrisy, point out the other persons hypocrisy? Or is it more troll-like, to use their hypocrisy as a tool to distract from something meaningful? I can understand that. But that does assume it is a distraction and isn't meaningful in-of-itself to point out hypocrisy.

But I agree, I've found pointing out hypocrisy rarely lands. Folks are incredibly good at compartmentalizing, and folks can easily hold opposing thoughts as both true. Pointing out how they are opposing generally leads to some usage of a logical fallacy so the discrepancy doesn't have to be acknowledged. I find if someone cannot go into details on why they believe what they believe, then it hardly matters if someone points out discrepancies. They just assume they're right, but how they're right is in the details they don't know...but they assume they're there. And that's that. And no amount of evidence or logic will convince them they're wrong because they refuse to figure out how they're right.

 

[D34DL1N3R]

So you admit that unborn babies are still babies...

It is my opinion that they are babies from the time of conception. It is also my opinion that if I was a woman and raped, I more than likely wouldn't want to keep the baby. But I wouldn't wait either, it would be taken care of same day. My final opinion on the matter is that I don't agree that abortions should be ok if people "made a mistake". Tough, keep your pants on if you don't want the consequences. I don't have the answers on how to solve it, but I don't feel outright banning them for every single instance is the best way to go.

 

[mrjoshuaco]

It is my opinion that they are babies from the time of conception.

These statements...

I more than likely wouldn't want to keep the baby. But I wouldn't wait either, it would be taken care of same day.

...are incongruous. You're either killing a child (as you see it) or you're not - the circumstances, however tragic, are irrelevant. Basically, the only stance you're taking here is that's okay to kill a child if you're raped, but not if you're a mistaken dirty whore (not my stance, just a bit of hyperbole for effect).

 

[gregory-samba]

I'm glad to see the President didn't get too ill, but I predicted as much because the odds are that if you get COVID19 you probably won't even get sick let alone die. This entire fetus crap is also more Liberal nonsense and I'll translate "Liberal nonsense" for you. Translation = Lies.

Oh, and killing the unborn is murder.

 

[D34DL1N3R]

These statements...



...are incongruous. You're either killing a child (as you see it) or you're not - the circumstances, however tragic, are irrelevant. Basically, the only stance you're taking here is that's okay to kill a child if you're raped, but not if you're a mistaken dirty whore (not my stance, just a bit of hyperbole for effect).

No, they are incongruous with your own opinions on the matter. Thanks. Bye.

 

[mrjoshuaco]

No, they are incongruous with your own opinions on the matter. Thanks. Bye.

I used your own words, champ, but quality retort. Carry on.

 

[bodefuceta]

I find this pretty disgusting. But this same cell line has also been used for testing purposes for Pepsi, the cola drink, so if you ever drank it, don't be a hypocrite and complain about Trump here.

 

[mrjoshuaco]

don't be a hypocrite and complain about Trump here.

You do realize that most folks on the opposite side of the aisle wouldn't object to its use, right? You can call it out for the hypocrisy that it is, while still holding the position that it's a perfectly acceptable activity.

 

[bodefuceta]

You do realize that most folks on the opposite side of the aisle wouldn't object to its use, right? You can call it out for the hypocrisy that it is, while still holding the position that it's a perfectly acceptable activity.

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "other side of the aisle", but either way you are implying there is a substantial(?) subset of people to whom drinking Pepsi would be hypocrisy, though you are not one of them, and must call them out on it. I can't tell if this really is how you see the world around you, or just silly political baiting.

 

[mrjoshuaco]

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "other side of the aisle"

Anyone criticizing Trump for use of a medication produced as a result of fetal stem cells (which, in fairness, it's NOT, but I'm not arguing that point) in light of his stance on abortion (and more importantly, the Republican Party's platform stance) isn't a hypocrite unless they've taken that stance themselves, which many liberals (the other side of the aisle) do not.

But it's really semantics at this point since Regeneron is actually NOT developed from aborted fetal tissue. Here's the source if anyone's curious.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...therapy-not-made-fetal-stem-cells/5901542002/

 

[aclearersky]

Why stop there, make healthcare free too.

Offering someone else's service for free is known as slavery. This is what people don't understand. Healthcare is a service not a good. Cant just force people to provide you with a service. Nationalized healthcare will be just as bad as the public schools or the roads have become. Even though private isnt always the best, its always better than government controlled.

 

[mrjoshuaco]

Even though private isnt always the best, its always better than government controlled.

Fantastic. So when do we start dismantling Medicare, Medicaid and the VA? While we're at it, we need privatize both Social Security as well as management and maintenance of our nuclear arsenals. Clearly if they can't handle healthcare, they can't handle those either, right?

 

[bodefuceta]

Anyone criticizing Trump for use of a medication produced as a result of fetal stem cells (which, in fairness, it's NOT, but I'm not arguing that point) in light of his stance on abortion (and more importantly, the Republican Party's platform stance) isn't a hypocrite unless they've taken that stance themselves, which many liberals (the other side of the aisle) do not.

But it's really semantics at this point since Regeneron is actually NOT developed from aborted fetal tissue. Here's the source if anyone's curious.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...therapy-not-made-fetal-stem-cells/5901542002/

Abortions simply are not performed in order to harvest cells, so this has nothing to do with one's stance on allowing abortions, even if the tissue in question was actually present in the product. This argument is like saying one should destroy all wood seaships in museums if he thinks crossing the sea on them isn't safe.
Edit: clarifying.

 

[aclearersky]

Fantastic. So when do we start dismantling Medicare, Medicaid and the VA? While we're at it, we need privatize both Social Security as well as management and maintenance of our nuclear arsenals. Clearly if they can't handle healthcare, they can't handle those either, right?

Well based on the fact they've mismanaged social security and is now estimated to run out by 2035. Where if I would have invested my own money instead of paid it into them I would have over a million for sure by the time I retire. The VA is in shambles. Thank god trump came in and allowed veterans to have an option to go where they would like to be treated. Medicare and Medicaid are both ran like shit and are bloated. The national defense should be one of the only things the government is responsible for. But even that is out of control. A nearly 700 billion military budget is insane. There is no reason when were not at war it should be even half of that. But the government has an "unlimited" budget and doesn't care at all about balancing any books. If you or I were a million dollars in debt and instead of paying any of it off continued to spend they'd take all of our stuff. Luckily for the government hasn't had china take our stuff yet. When we have more nuclear missiles than all other countries combined with the exception of russia there is an issue.