US troops withdrawal from Afghanistan

[NyaakoXD]

Imagine trying to guilt trip people and still blame things only on Biden and his administration when worst things have happened during past Presidents' terms and no one bats an eye to them or made a big of a deal.

It's almost like they blame Biden for everything because they just don't like him.

 

[DoubleDate]

This virtue signaling is disgusting. A 14 year old girl in a country you don't live in dies, and that is sad, but 14 year old girls die here all the time from preventable causes, such as lack of shelter and food, sex trafficking and drug exposure, and good old fashioned desperation and suicide. The United States does not produce democracy panacea like a mythical beast, and our presence does not guarantee betterment for a region. If you want to see changes in the region, it has to be done via a unified international community, unless you want for the country to start colonization again.

And care to explain why that 14 year old girl died? Easy to say for you because it's not your kid.

That girl died because of the incompetency of the Biden administration. What about the 10,000 westerners trapped there? Are you going to comment that "10,000" Westerners are trapped here and die?

He COULD'VE prevented all of this, yet he chose to do this with no plan and leave people at their own mercy.

Easy for all of you to say safe in your countries.

Every country has their own things, but there no moments where they have to make a choice because babaric extremist are killing and turning a whole country into a tiranny. If you dont say what they want you get killed, is that what you want for them? Dont you want for them to have a free choice? To choose what they want to do? Here people have that freedom, you can do what yuu want without living in fear. So who is here disgusting?

Im not saying at ALL that the USA needed to stay there, we all agree that leaving was a good thing. Its how Biden did it and now he is acting like he dont care, even when people are falling to their deaths from a plane " Yeah it was 4 days a go"

If it was Trump that did that all of this, you would be saying impeach, remove him, everyone would be angry for his blood. Im not saying either that he was the best president, like i said im not a fan of him but HE did care for the safety of the citizens.

Of course people die, but not by old fashioned extremist who are forcing you to do their will or die. Even if you demonstrate there you will be killed. Which western country kills you for demonstrating? Your comparission is not in anys sense comparable.

If you think that what happened is right, go to Kabul, see with your own eyes how those people are in fear of their lives. But i guess you prefer to stay in your comfy home and enjoy what you have without anyone telling you what to do.

Im really curious what you will say next when China start invading Taiwan and the USA will there useless doing nothing.

 

[djpannda]

I dont agree with how some mods are "reviewing" this place. It seems like someone make a report and then the mods goes doesnt even care to read the other messages to make a good judgement. Some of the persons here say rules are rules yet the people going againt Biden are grilled and they need to shut up or else get a warning or a possible suspension.

I do see the difference. If i call correctly there were some here going on personal attack spree mode, a few messages back one of the Biden defenders said things let we say that are not civilized, and yet the mods doesnt even flip about that.

Its seems clear that this place is a Biden only place, if you mention anything about Trump then probably you will get reporter. Shame actaually, because if you are looking at the news you see how Biden doesn't even care about the whole thing. He even said even if Trump did make a deal he wouldve done the same thing what happened the last days. Shame on him, lots of people will die and people here are defending his actions. A 14 year old girl was killed who had dreams ro live a normal life and be free from the tiranny at the hand of those extremist. Shame on Biden and his failure of administration. He need to resign or fire a a lot and restart his whole administration. God help us the next 3 years.

the Issue is your argument and narrative is not based on "Fact" but Political "Feelings",
Yes the Withdraw from Afghanistan was a ClusteF%K, but to Blame only and Completely a President that Inherited the Situation only 8 month ago is short sighted.
First this Afghanistan has been mismanaged for 20 year under 4 different administration ( during that time Countless of Politicians and Corporations milk it for all its worth.)
But the Hastily made Exit Strategy by the Last Administration was Lacking any real explanation of how to exit.
In fact, many considered that Agreement heavy-favored to the Taliban ( as it not only Ensured Complete American WithDraw, but since it did not include The Afghan govern. it was seen as the Sign That the Taliban was real in power.) including the fact that Taliban were invited to several High rating meetings, 5000+ troops released. This action Ennobled the Taliban
As soon as Feb 2020 after signing the deal, The reports State the Taliban started making deal with Afghan Military and local governments to take it over as soon as the US left
The negotiated surrenders to the Taliban following the Doha deal,
“They saw that document as the end,” the officer said, referring to the majority of Afghans aligned with the government. “The day the deal was signed we saw the change. Everyone was just looking out for himself. It was like [the United States] left us to fail.”
This is a Major Military Intelligence Error, From not only Trump's Admin but also Biden's. As the FEB 2020 Agreement started the Taliban's Rise, it should of never happened.
The Doha Agreement had no details about how the exit would happen (other then limited Troops in timeframes) There was no real exit strategy after that either as The Military did not lay out plans before or after 1/20/21.
The fall of Afghanistain was going to happen no Matter who was President because the Taliban was already "buying" back their Country Since Feb 2020.
Biden Mess up by not Delaying it further but the issue was the Doha was so Public, it was held over his head by the International Community. not only was the Taliban Criticizing not following the Agreement but RUSSIA also Pressured the US to Fulfill the agreement
Taliban visit Moscow, voice hope US will honor peace deal

Russia Says U.S. Troop Pullout from Afghanistan Risks 'Escalation
President Biden Decided to pull the Bandaid but that is a Shared Fault of Both Administrations and the Military itself. As it seemed to be only the Americans that didn't Realized that Taliban already made "Back Door " deals to take over the Country without a shot fired.

 

[DoubleDate]

the Issue is your argument and narrative is not based on "Fact" but Political "Feelings",
Yes the Withdraw from Afghanistan was a ClusteF%K, but to Blame only and Completely a President that Inherited the Situation only 8 month ago is short sighted.
First this Afghanistan has been mismanaged for 20 year under 4 different administration ( during that time Countless of Politicians and Corporations milk it for all its worth.)
But the Hastily made Exit Strategy by the Last Administration was Lacking any real explanation of how to exit.
In fact, many considered that Agreement heavy-favored to the Taliban ( as it not only Ensured Complete American WithDraw, but since it did not include The Afghan govern. it was seen as the Sign That the Taliban was real in power.) including the fact that Taliban were invited to several High rating meetings, 5000+ troops released. This action Ennobled the Taliban
As soon as Feb 2020 after signing the deal, The reports State the Taliban started making deal with Afghan Military and local governments to take it over as soon as the US left
The negotiated surrenders to the Taliban following the Doha deal,
“They saw that document as the end,” the officer said, referring to the majority of Afghans aligned with the government. “The day the deal was signed we saw the change. Everyone was just looking out for himself. It was like [the United States] left us to fail.”
This is a Major Military Intelligence Error, From not only Trump's Admin but also Biden's. As the FEB 2020 Agreement started the Taliban's Rise, it should of never happened.
The Doha Agreement had no details about how the exit would happen (other then limited Troops in timeframes) There was no real exit strategy after that either as The Military did not lay out plans before or after 1/20/21.
The fall of Afghanistain was going to happen no Matter who was President because the Taliban was already "buying" back their Country Since Feb 2020.
Biden Mess up by not Delaying it further but the issue was the Doha was so Public, it was held over his head by the International Community. not only was the Taliban Criticizing not following the Agreement but RUSSIA also Pressured the US to Fulfill the agreement
Taliban visit Moscow, voice hope US will honor peace deal

Russia Says U.S. Troop Pullout from Afghanistan Risks 'Escalation
President Biden Decided to pull the Bandaid but that is a Shared Fault of Both Administrations and the Military itself. As it seemed to be only the Americans that didn't Realized that Taliban already made "Back Door " deals to take over the Country without a shot fired.

"Political feelings, no facts"

Kamala Harris nowhere to be seen, Biden avoiding questions to be asked. The press conference he gave was about the vaccines nothing about about Afghanistan and you say its personal political feelings? Heck even Bush adressed the nation, and he started all this mess.

If its about fact, why does Biden run? Have you seen the trainweck of interview he gave yesterday? He said a month ago there will be no chaos in Afghanistan, and yesterday he said yeah uh leaving without chaos was not possible. He said Afghanistan soldiers didn't fight, have you read about witnesses commenting how the extremist are killing captured soldiers? So many lies. Are you also forgetting Biden ignored all the warnings from intelligence that told him not to do what he did? Another thing the extremist said leave or we will take Afghanistan in 2 weeks, Biden said unlikely, so what about that? All what i said has been said on the news. Even former Pentagon official intelligence who were interviewed have said the same thing, Biden should've not went out like that, and for that people are trapped there. The moment the USA leaves those people are doomed.

You can point and say what you want, it could've been prevented if Biden did have a good plan instead abandoning a whole country and leaving USA weapons worth of 1 billion dollar.

And the other people saying yeah they died there and not here. Lets be real, do you honestly think that those extremist will not send sleepers cells to the USA and Europe now Afghanistan is a cluster mess? Dont cry when another 911 happens. Before you say its not fact, i didnt say that but people who knows how the middle east work.

But yeah looks like no matter what is said, as long as it doesn't affect you, you all couldnt care less until its too late.

 

[djpannda]

And care to explain why that 14 year old girl died? Easy to say for you because it's not your kid.

That girl died because of the incompetency of the Biden administration. What about the 10,000 westerners trapped there? Are you going to comment that "10,000" Westerners are trapped here and die?

Sure Thats Horrible When ever kids die is horrible_ but over all, it appearing the Taliban is allowing the US to bring out most people without major issues ( beside small Skirmishes).
The Causalities of the Afghan withdraw are still low, there nowhere near COVID death rates.
by your reaction about a 14 year old Afghan Girl, I can tell your outraged by the hundreds of American Children's death needless from COVID.
'Save our babies': As another Mississippi child dies of COVID-19, communities beg for help
Infact most American would prioritize immediate Crisis at home

 

[silien3]

Sure Thats Horrible When ever kids die is horrible_ but over all, it appearing the Taliban is allowing the US to bring out most people without major issues ( beside small Skirmishes).
The Causalities of the Afghan withdraw are still low, there nowhere near COVID death rates.
by your reaction about a 14 year old Afghan Girl, I can tell your outraged by the hundreds of American Children's death needless from COVID.
'Save our babies': As another Mississippi child dies of COVID-19, communities beg for help
Infact most American would prioritize immediate Crisis at home

Biden could have said we postpone any decision related to Afghanistan after having managed the covid its proves that it is the worst of all the presidents already elected until now everyone uses the covid and postponed to later date of decisions or to increase the price of the product but he decides to do everything without taking the time and think about how to do things well compare to the rest of the world

finally it remains my perception of things

 

[djpannda]

"Political feelings, no facts"

The press conference he gave was about the vaccines nothing about about Afghanistan and you say its personal political feelings?

Yes Personal Feels ,in case you did not know the Pentagon has provided SEVERAL Conference about Afghanistan all this week, I for one would of Military to provide direct info, rather then a Politician. But you still Demand Biden Personally give updates because Why?

"Political feelings, no facts"
He said a month ago there will be no chaos in Afghanistan, and yesterday he said yeah uh leaving without chaos was not possible. He said Afghanistan soldiers didn't fight, have you read about witnesses commenting how the extremist are killing captured soldiers? So many lies. Are you also forgetting Biden ignored all the warnings from intelligence that told him not to do what he did? .

Afghanistan’s military collapse: Illicit deals and mass desertions
Great Write of on how US MILITARY intelligence under Both Admin Failed to Realize that Taliban did "back Room" deals to take over as soon as FEB 2020 agreement.

Biden Mess up by not Delaying it further but the issue was the Doha was so Public, it was held over his head by the International Community. not only was the Taliban Criticizing not following the Agreement but RUSSIA also Pressured the US to Fulfill the agreement
Taliban visit Moscow, voice hope US will honor peace deal

Russia Says U.S. Troop Pullout from Afghanistan Risks 'Escalation

"Political feelings, no facts"

instead abandoning a whole country and leaving USA weapons worth of 1 billion dollar

majority of Afghans aligned with the government. “The day the deal was signed we saw the change. Everyone was just looking out for himself. It was like [the United States] left us to fail.”
Afghan Government Stated US Abandon them the Moment The Agreement was signed.
as of the 1 billow dollar of Weapon- You do know that was Afghan Military property not USA. (USA sold/donated) but the Ownership of Equipment was Afghans, US can just "take Back".

And the other people saying yeah they died there and not here. Lets be real, do you honestly think that those extremist will not send sleepers cells to the USA and Europe now Afghanistan is a cluster mess? Dont cry when another 911 happens. Before you say its not fact, i didnt say that but people who knows how the middle east work.

But yeah looks like no matter what is said, as long as it doesn't affect you, you all couldnt care less until its too late.

Honest, I, as Im sure a lot of people are, more worried about Domestic Extremist at this point. As Domestic Extremist were able to do something the international Extremist have not ...attack the Capitol.

 

[izy]

Why I am I not surprised there is nothing about the actual content of the article?

why should i quote a hevily biased article and right wing website that is literally confirmed to be that ontop of being heavily involved in conspiracy theories


when its literal articles include https://thenationalpulse.com/breaking/dems-intro-bill-banning-unvaccinated-americans-from-airplane/

https://thenationalpulse.com/breaking/health-dept-using-ccp-tiktok-to-encourage-vaccination/

https://thenationalpulse.com/analys...re-being-beaten-in-broad-daylight-in-america/

https://thenationalpulse.com/analys...urrection-act-now-president-trump-should-too/

 

[DoubleDate]

Yes Personal Feels ,in case you did not know the Pentagon has provided SEVERAL Conference about Afghanistan all this week, I for one would of Military to provide direct info, rather then a Politician. But you still Demand Biden Personally give updates because Why?

Afghanistan’s military collapse: Illicit deals and mass desertions
Great Write of on how US MILITARY intelligence under Both Admin Failed to Realize that Taliban did "back Room" deals to take over as soon as FEB 2020 agreement.

Biden Mess up by not Delaying it further but the issue was the Doha was so Public, it was held over his head by the International Community. not only was the Taliban Criticizing not following the Agreement but RUSSIA also Pressured the US to Fulfill the agreement
Taliban visit Moscow, voice hope US will honor peace deal

Russia Says U.S. Troop Pullout from Afghanistan Risks 'Escalation


majority of Afghans aligned with the government. “The day the deal was signed we saw the change. Everyone was just looking out for himself. It was like [the United States] left us to fail.”
Afghan Government Stated US Abandon them the Moment The Agreement was signed.
as of the 1 billow dollar of Weapon- You do know that was Afghan Military property not USA. (USA sold/donated) but the Ownership of Equipment was Afghans, US can just "take Back".

Honest, I, as Im sure a lot of people are, more worried about Domestic Extremist at this point. As Domestic Extremist were able to do something the international Extremist have not ...attack the Capitol.

Again with the personal feelings.... mate people are dying there, dont you get that? We are talking about human lifes who are now in fear that they will be killed because Biden couldn't have a properly retreat. You said they are letting people leave, that is lie. There are video's of the extremist killing people, its circulating now, but i guess that is not a fact to you because it doesn't affect you.

Domestic extremist? Yea you have a few lunatics but now its going to be a organized organization, we're talking about groups who's goal is to take as many lifes as they can out. And yes they were a few Pentagon press conferences, and guess what they said? WE dont HAVE the capacity to bring all people home, meaning its a race against time until they will take hostages, is that too "political feelings"

Biden will go into history as the worst president in its existence, and i thought that one would be Bush. He makes Carter look like a good scouter boy.

 

[djpannda]

Domestic extremist? Yea you have a few lunatics but now its going to be a organized organization, we're talking about groups who's goal is to take as many lifes as they can out.

You say that as This is literally happening in the Capitol as We speak
Active bomb threat outside Library of Congress, US Capitol Police at scene "he had a bomb and what appeared, the officer said, appeared to be a detonator in the man’s hand" unconfirmed reports on MSNBC state Possible connection with a Facebook live Stream.

 

[DoubleDate]

There we go, deflecting mode, doesn't surprise me at all.

Im talking about EXTREMIST , Al Qaeda, Al Nusra, groups that have been in the shadows since the fall of the extremist in 2001, will regroup, there is a highly chance that they will return. And no it's not me who said that, but people who KNOWS how the middle east works. Former people who have worked with US intelligence, they are pointing out that Afghanistan will become a brewing ground for extremist. Wait until the press and USA military leaves, what do you think that will happen to all the poor souls there? You probably dont care as long as it Isn't around you.

We did have many treaths from low smal lonewolfs for years, but can you compare them to a group like Al Qaeda? Dont you see the difference?

Borders are open, if you dont believe me go Google it. Last few days many IMIGRANTS from the borders have been flown to different parts of the USA. You dont see the danger Biden has created, i cant believe that all of you can justify this. All that i have posted above have been on the news before you comment " Personal feelings"

Its a matter of time for the people trapped there.

This couldve been very different if he didn't ignore all of the advice given to him (Biden)

 

[djpannda]

There we go, deflecting mode, doesn't surprise me at all.

Im talking about EXTREMIST , Al Qaeda, Al Nusra, groups that have been in the shadows since the fall of the extremist in 2001, will regroup, they is a highly chance that they will return. And no it's not me who said that, but people who KNOWS how the middle east works. Former people who have worked with US intelligence, they are pointing out that Afghanistan will become a brewing ground for extremist. Wait until the press and USA military leaves, what do you think that will happen to all the poor souls there? You probably dont care as long as you it Isn't around you.

We have had treaths from low smile lonewolfs for years, but can you compare them to a group like Al Qaeda? Dont you see the difference?

Borders are open, if you dont believe me go Google it. Last few days many IMIGRANTS from the borders have been flown to different parts of the USA. You dont see the danger Biden has created, i cant believe that all of you can justify this. All that i have posted above have been on the news before you comment " Personal feelings"

Its a matter of time for the people trapped there.

This couldve been very different if he didn't ignore all of the advice given to him (Biden)

oh hey I think you forget to TAG ME....

what I don't understand why are you soo worried bout the Taliban extremist.. When Trump's Admin and the Talibans signed the Doha Agreement on Feb 2020. It Insured that the Taliban agreed they would not attack or plan attacks on American soil. I mean Thats the whole Reason the Administration signed it. So I would not worry bout it
I am also Taking bout Extremist too...local Extremist that is possibly attacking the Capitol this VERY moment in 8/19/21
"Law enforcement officials have identified the suspect as a white man from North Carolina who has made anti-government statements,"
Oh, The Border Scare tactic ...ok.....sorry that Im more worried bout the Crazy White guy Trying to Blow up D.C ...then the Hispanic immigrant Trying to escape a bad situation of his home Country, that is going to have no free time because he is probably going to have to work 2 different jobs under the table because he is being paid less then minimum wage.

 

[silien3]

oh hey I think you forget to TAG ME....

what I don't understand why are you soo worried bout the Taliban extremist.. When Trump's Admin and the Talibans signed the Doha Agreement on Feb 2020. It Insured that the Taliban agreed they would not attack or plan attacks on American soil. I mean Thats the whole Reason the Administration signed it. So I would not worry bout it
I am also Taking bout Extremist too...local Extremist that is possibly attacking the Capitol this VERY moment in 8/19/21
"Law enforcement officials have identified the suspect as a white man from North Carolina who has made anti-government statements,"
Oh, The Border Scare tactic ...ok.....sorry that Im more worried bout the Crazy White guy Trying to Blow up D.C ...then the Hispanic immigrant Trying to escape a bad situation of his home Country, that is going to have no free time because he is probably going to have to work 2 different jobs under the table because he is being paid less then minimum wage.

So it's okay that people get killed as long as this is not your home and I add its known its extremists its obeys without anything in exchange or without fear behind no but seriously and local terrorists are often radicalized by people from their countries or those already radicalized so your local terrorists will also increase as a result of his

I don't mind but this is propaganda to minimize the deaths over there your story for me

 

[djpannda]

So it's okay that people get killed as long as this is not your home and I add its known its extremists its obeys without anything in exchange or without fear behind no but seriously and local terrorists are often radicalized by people from their countries or those already radicalized so your local terrorists will also increase as a result of his

I don't mind but this is propaganda to minimize the deaths over there your story for me

.. that does not make sense ?…that’s why we have the agreement …otherwise the Trump’s admin deal with the Taliban for full troop withdrawal would of been a horrible deal and should of never taken place .

 

[NyaakoXD]

Of all things to source and link, you chose Fox News. lol

 

[silien3]

.. that does not make sense ?…that’s why we have the agreement …otherwise the Trump’s admin deal with the Taliban for full troop withdrawal would of been a horrible deal and should of never taken place .

i don't care about trump he may have had an idea in mind i don't know anything here his biden who did, the extremists are not known to prevent wars and to say made love not war he should have reflected correctly because his choices can create a new world war so what america can be spared and the rest of the world can burn minimize you way too much its like telling north korea to go on and drop your atomic bomb

its what I perceive at least

 

[djpannda]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/afghanistan-withdrawal-biden-bunker-strategy-clears-schedule

Afghanistan withdrawal: Biden continues bunker strategy after widely panned ABC interview
The president has not taken any other questions from the press

In what appears to be a continuation of his campaign bunker strategy, and following his widely panned interview with ABC News on the stunning fall of Afghanistan, President Biden's schedule Thursday contained no planned public remarks or press briefings.

The president took all public remarks, press briefings and press conferences off his schedule as he and his administration deal with the blowback from their botched troop withdrawal that saw Kabul fall into the hands of the Taliban.

Ins case you Somehow did know know the USA has an official Afghan briefing today I have attached a link
Pentagon Officials Hank Taylor & John Kirby Press Conference Transcript: Afghanistan Update 8/19

 

[djpannda]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pentagon-british-paratroopers-afghanistan-kabul-airport

Pentagon pressed on why British paratroopers leaving Kabul airport to rescue citizens but Americans aren't
Maj. Gen/ Hank Taylor said 'our main mission continues to be to secure' the Kabul airport

The Pentagon was pressed Thursday to explain why the U.S. isn't rescuing Americans outside of the Kabul airport as the British are doing for their citizens.

At a press briefing, Fox News' Jennifer Griffin said: "General Taylor, British paratroopers are leaving the airport, going into Kabul to rescue and evacuate some of their citizens who are trapped [and] can't get to the airport because of the Taliban."

"Why isn't the U.S. doing that?" she asked.


Maj. Gen. Hank Taylor, who serves as deputy director of the Joint Staff Regional Operations, replied that the U.S.' focus was on securing Hamid Karzai International Airport (HKIA).

"At this time, our main mission continues to be to secure HKIA, to allow those American citizens and other SIVs to come in and be processed at the airfield."

Pentagon press secretary John Kirby was asked during the same press conference whether he knows how many Americans remain stuck in Afghanistan. He replied: "I don't know."

oh ok so, the argument of the US governemn not giving Press release and hide ....Changed?. ok Glad we are in agreement

 

[djpannda]

OH quick up that THE Domestic Extremist that almost Blew up the D.C today is custody
Capitol news - live: MAGA bomb suspect surrenders after hours-long standoff with police and rant about Biden
"Suspect was upset about result of presidential election, wife says"
Thats a Reminder that Extremist can happen anywhere in the world. Placing Complete blame on one Region of the World is dangerous and Some might say based on Racial discrimination.

 

[kevin corms]

Biden did the right thing, the media will try to make him pay.

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OH quick up that THE Domestic Extremist that almost Blew up the D.C today is custody
Capitol news - live: MAGA bomb suspect surrenders after hours-long standoff with police and rant about Biden
"Suspect was upset about result of presidential election, wife says"
Thats a Reminder that Extremist can happen anywhere in the world. Placing Complete blame on one Region of the World is dangerous and Some might say based on Racial discrimination.

Who knows, they are also known to stage things such as this to shape the conversation. Even if they didn't, Im not going to point to a single crazy person as having more meaning than a single crazy person did something crazy. Context is that there are over 350 million people in the country.