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What is your opinion on what is happening in Spain and Catalonia?
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You looked at the situation and decided that the peoples of the region of Spain known as Catalonia would benefit from being an independent nation, and possibly that the Spanish government is preventing this from coming to pass despite majority support?
In theory if the residents of the area got together and voted for independence you would support such things?
Are they not free now?
No, they are not free. The people of the economically strong region of Catalonia are suppressed and taken advantage of by the poor rest of Spain. They already voted for independence several times and their wish should be granted. These people are also different in many other ways and should not be forced to stay part of Spain.
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I'm sure the situation is more complicated than what I know, but no government has a right to force it's rule on an unwilling people. If the Catalonians want to separate, that should be able to, but they should know the consequences of doing so (I don't know what they are, but there probably are some).
I'm sympathetic to their cause because the US was, after all, born from an illegal (from the British point of view) declaration of Independence over 240 years ago. We should learn from our mistakes and not force a government on an unwilling people.
I'm sympathetic to their cause because the US was, after all, born from an illegal (from the British point of view) declaration of Independence over 240 years ago. We should learn from our mistakes and not force a government on an unwilling people.
That happened...
http://www.euronews.com/2017/10/01/high-tension-as-catalonia-referendum-day-begins
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The residents of Catalonia have a long history of a distinct culture, language etc. Catalan is a distinct Romance language, which is closer to French in some ways than to Spanish.
The Catalan people have every right to invoke self-determination and form their own government. They have been persecuted and treated like second class citizens for years. During Franco's reign (1939-1975) their language was banned in public and in schools. In short, Franco perpetrated a regime of cultural genocide against the Catalan people.
This is akin to all of the bully nations siphoning the lifeblood from another nation and destroying its ethnic identity. Think of how England treated Ireland - and note what has happened to the Irish language today. The Irish people threw off the yoke of their oppressors, but it was too late to save their language. Irish is spoken by less than 1% of the nation, and less than 0.2% of the stolen exclave of North Ireland.
In addition to all of this. Consider the barbarous actions undertaken by the Madrid authorities today. Does this seem like a government that will rationally respond to the needs and issues of Catalonia?
The Madrid government is a sham, and these October criminals represent an all too perfect imitation of their fascist predecessors.
As the United States and Ireland broke from their repressive regimes, so too will the Catalans if they can muster the courage to put everything on the line for freedom and self-determination.
The Catalan people have every right to invoke self-determination and form their own government. They have been persecuted and treated like second class citizens for years. During Franco's reign (1939-1975) their language was banned in public and in schools. In short, Franco perpetrated a regime of cultural genocide against the Catalan people.
This is akin to all of the bully nations siphoning the lifeblood from another nation and destroying its ethnic identity. Think of how England treated Ireland - and note what has happened to the Irish language today. The Irish people threw off the yoke of their oppressors, but it was too late to save their language. Irish is spoken by less than 1% of the nation, and less than 0.2% of the stolen exclave of North Ireland.
In addition to all of this. Consider the barbarous actions undertaken by the Madrid authorities today. Does this seem like a government that will rationally respond to the needs and issues of Catalonia?
The Madrid government is a sham, and these October criminals represent an all too perfect imitation of their fascist predecessors.
As the United States and Ireland broke from their repressive regimes, so too will the Catalans if they can muster the courage to put everything on the line for freedom and self-determination.
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