right, you don't have to get married to join the adult thing, so... for your knowledge, most priest are lying about not having any sexual activity.
Yes, let's assume that most of what we hear from people are lies. That's not gonna cause any problems in our society or even our personal lives. But of course you didn't mean that. You're probably lying about not believing in God. I mean, it's guilty until proven innocent, right?
Secondly, I'm not talking for anyone. I said so before. My argument isn't "all priests are celibate" - my argument is "all Catholic priests are supposed to be celibate and that's not a bad thing". Another is "it is best only to have sex with your spouse". You haven't addressed either thing here.
that being said yes there are those who have no moral objection against being lonely or just not sexual active...
still doesn't give the right to take that freedom away from someone.
Oh crap, I knew our priests weren't sneaky enough about installing those mind-control chips in literally everyone, you saw them, huh. You are so right, we are totally taking away people's freedom to have sex by... believing ourselves that it's best not to? Geez, you're so concerned what we think that it's literally controlling your choices and actions, does it? You should probably think for yourself more. And speaking of...
you tell me there are christians who're gay, and you're right, but i doubt it really free will.
free will is when it comes from a person self, without any sugestions being made for him or her.
HAHAHA!! Holy sh*t, are you kidding me?
"Hey, Joe, wanna grab some ice-cream?"
"AAH, MY FREE WILL!"
Dude, every thought comes from somewhere, every option we consider we consider because of some suggestion. I saw this thread's title on the right side of the screen. I clicked it - probably not of my own free will, since all I could do at that point is freely consider clicking it or not and then do whatever I wanted. Do you obey the traffic laws? Congratulations, you have no free will apparently. Oh, but wait, you probably drive the car the way you were taught to. You haven't had free will for quite a... Oh, sorry. You only walk and speak because everyone around you when you were a little baby did so. Way to go with the crowd, sheep, how un-free of you.
Sorry, defining "suggestions" as in any way contrary to "free will" is just too dumb.
no hetero will ever out of free will give up hetero sexuality, what proof do you have gay do?
Clearly you haven't heard about all those "coming-outs" among celebrities. Boosts your popularity like woah, people talk about you again and you even get to be a victim of some horrible things, which nowadays means you're right in everything you say for some reason. I wouldn't be so sure there's not a single hetero star who only "came out" for another five minutes in the spotlight.
But to be fair I'm not gonna claim that's impossible. Unlike your "priests are lying" thing, I ain't judging without a reason to. I just have my doubts is all, that's a popularity-based brutal business, sink or swim, people do desperate things in showbiz to get a single article about them float to the online surface for a moment.
But that's all a digression, sorry. Outside of stories from homosexuals who wish to change, who wish to be able to properly marry, have children, create a healthy family and yes, avoid the temptations they seem as wrong - I have no proof there's any such a homosexual out there. You got me, champ, right from that "being gay is never considered a problem by gay people" bubble of yours.
not being able to connect with your inner self is worse then anything.
Wow, we actually agree there. Of course I think that homosexuality is the "connection disruptor", while you think it is the "inner self"... But still, common ground to start out from. We found it after all.
i was blind for the destruction of religious thinking when i was young.
but hell it distroyed much lives, lives that meant the world to me.
and it's still taking lives around me i care for...
lives going to waste just because of a myth...
the wasted lives and i'm just 34 now that i can trace back to religion, wasted lives of people i really spoke in life with, seen at thier homes.
i counted alredy 10 now, just because they never got the chance to discover a free life, a life without rules except that it's not right to take what's not meant to be yours.
I do not see how any of these tragedies were caused by Christianity. And before you label me as an unreasonable, heartless bastard (if you haven't already), consider the following:
1 girl got raped for helping building a christian school in nigeria (muslims around wanted to stop it for they were scared for the religion.
if you want to build a school for poor, uneducated people, that's a noble thing to do. The fact it was a Christian school was because the girl, I assume, believed that it was best to also teach about Christ. the wrongdoers in this case were the rapists, Muslims as you admitted (prepare to be banned for islamophobia, you don't get to state "hateful facts" like that any more) - and they were the enemies of Christianity. Like you, not that I'd ever believe you'd act the same way. So yes, it was their religion that motivated a horrible act (never said I argued
all religions are good, I hope you realise that much). It was Christianity that motivated a good one. I hope you're not saying "be a good person unless it's risky"?
3 girls i know got molested/ abused and can't ever really talk about it without getting in a firestorm of hate...
Can't even see where anything religious comes into play here. Right now we're seeing many cases where it's the men who can't defend themselves against women's accusations, including false ones, without getting into a firestorm of hate. But again, you haven't addressed what role religion played in those cases? All I'm gonna say is whoever is a part of that "firestorm of hate" (assuming it is hate) is not Christian.
2 girls i know are blamed themself for getting abused for they seemed asking for it the father from the church dared saying.
I'm not sure I understand. You mean they got abused by the clergyman or were they abused because they questioned what he was saying? Either way isn't okay and either way isn't Christian. Every reason you give for refusing Christianity is because someone called something that isn't Christianity "Christianity" and you didn't like that thing. Would you hate cats if you were attacked by a dog in early childhood and told that was a cat?
1 guy my age killed himself for he couldn't ever be himself with his parents and friends.
Well, okay, bad parents and bad friends are a staple of Christianity and Christianity exclusively. So is depression and self-doubt and all other psychological problems. Is there any doubt that Christianity is being supported and founded by the rich psychiatrists corporations?
at least 3 girls i know are forced into mariage. not even my worst anemy should have such a life.
Okay, that surely isn't Christians you're talking about. Sounds more like Islam to me. Either way, another anecdotal evidence that proves "people can be assholes" rather than "religion makes people assholes". And you don't have to prove people can be assholes, that's a well-known fact. That's why we have standards by which to judge others' and our own actions and choices, so that we avoid becoming total assholes beyond redemption. Standards like the Judeo-Christian ones that the Western civilisation is based on?
sorry it hurts to see the price each day.
I have no doubt it does. I don't know how much control you have in these situations, but guess what actual Christianity - as opposed to what you've called Christianity - would recommend? Being the person who stands
with the victim in that firestorm of hate. Being the friend that homosexual self-doubting person
can openly talk to. Cheering people up, supporting them - not all their actions, not all their beliefs and not all their choices - but people. I hope you'll find some real Christians eventually. Or that you notice them if they're already around.
EDIT: Okay, just realised that sounded like I equate "real Christians" with "good people" or even claim the latter are most common in the former group. Not what I meant. in fact, the best Christian will be the first one to reject being called "a good Christian". By "real Christians" I meant not good people, but people who believe in Christianity - not just believe that they believe in Christianity. True belief will inevitably manifest itself in actions - not without effort and not without many failures. But it will be visible. It's like a difference between "fan" and "fanboy". One really loves a game/show/etc - the other just loves loving it.