Schools are bullshit and the system should be modified

Oh and don't even go on about how much idiots are in school...

School was only make to keep you busy and stay out of drug. Also most stuff they teach at school are basic knowledge so you know that electric wasn't make by magic and communism doesn't work.

If students could choose earlier which subjects they want to be taught, education would be leagues better. I have always been bad at math and physics and excellent in anything language/linguistics and history related. Why was I obligated to waste precious time studying high Algebra and Physics back when I wasn't in college? That's the exact thing school does worst in my opinion.

Personally, I feel as if verbal tests are more effective than written tests. Through verbal tests, I can spew all the information I know in a short time. Of course, this short time adds up and the entire class may not be able to share their responses in a single period.

With almost every test, I feel like I know the information, but I can never seem to extract that info onto a test. I'm sure a lot of people feel the same way! I studied for a test two days in a row 6 hours each day trying to memorize an entire chapter and I still got a C on my test.

Also, in DEPTH questions are unnecessary (and I mean DEEP) unless you are an AP student, which still doesn't seem 100%.

I understand that tests try to challenge your deduction skills, but again, not everyone has obtained this skill. A student cannot just "study" deduction skills. Yes, it can be practiced over time, but at what cost? A D on your next few tests?

EDIT: Mosts study nights, I completely disregard what the teachers has taught me and watch videos explaining a topic. Why should I have to do that? A teacher is meant to share their knowledge and study habits with you! Ridiculous!

@anhminh actually, imo school is the reason kids decide to take drugs. The amount of idiots I have to deal with there and the constant pressure are an explosive combination
I sort of read this book recently about effective learning (quickly lost patience) which said something which contradicts what most schools do:

• Effort makes information stick, teachers which make their lessons easy think they are helping but they are really not
• The brain needs time to take in information effectively, having a break after each lesson would help
• Repeating something until it sticks isn't a durable way of learning, you need to improve your ability to recall the information so it only works when there's a space of time in the middle of each repeat (varying what you're trying to remember also helps)
  
• We are bad at knowing if we are learning well or not, repetition might feel productive but you will quickly forget

So yeah, I agree. School is needless stress, and an ineffective way of learning if you're really interested in the topic and not just passing the exams

Life in general is endless stress. After your 18th birthday, you get a lot of pressure.

Wait until you reach college
That's really really fucked up

The entire education system should be changed

TLDR: The school system isn't that bad. You have to accept it for what it is and make the best that you can of it. Life often gets harder outside of school where mistakes can cost real money, time, or lives depending on the job / situation.

@OP
This kind of outlook is all the rage with kids in Middle School / High School. Too young to realize how little information about the world they really know, but old enough to think they know more than everyone else around them. The honest to god truth is: Most things in life that are worth anything and that are going to make you grow as a person are hard. Oftentimes, it sucks. But progress for humanity does not come without a lot of hard work, sacrifice, and challenges. People who push boundaries and change lives aren't working 4 hours a day and then relaxing the rest of their day, they are putting serious work hours to benefit themselves and the rest of us.

Elysium420 " If students could choose earlier which subjects they want to be taught, education would be leagues better. I have always been bad at math and physics and excellent in anything language/linguistics and history related. Why was I obligated to waste precious time studying high Algebra and Physics back when I wasn't in college? That's the exact thing school does worst in my opinion."

I would argue the complete opposite. This is the BEST thing that schools do. It takes people outside of their comfort levels and pushes them to grow in ways they didn't realize they were able to. Learning is not just about taking what you know and refining it. It is also about pushing your boundaries and learning in ways you never knew existed. Math in particular is often complained about by a lot of students because they see Algebra, Calculus, and other complex mathematics as worthless for their future. While I would agree than many people will go through life without having to use these subjects later on, Math (as well as other subjects) is not just about learning the specific formulas and solutions. The point of Math is learning how to take basic tools (equations, formulas, rules) and solving problems. Problem solving is by far the most useful skill I learned through schooling. That and being able to see how interconnected a lot of the subject matter is when you understand the big picture.

One of the things that stuck with me from one of my teachers that pushed me to study even harder was that people who master Mathematics are typically the best students as they are problem solvers. They are able to see things differently than other people and can transition their problem solving into every other subject and master those subjects as well. As I began looking at the students around me, I realized how true this was and it definitely pushed me to master my problem solving skills.

I have also met people who like you hated Math early on in life and would have wished to avoid it for future classes. These people ended up having one really good teacher who pushed their boundaries and made these students later change their life paths. One kid I knew was going one direction his whole life and hated math. From a single course of Math he took with an excellent teacher, it changed his path entirely and he focused on mathematics to become a math teacher. Ruling anything out too early in life can cause you to miss out on an experience that may alter your entire life. Going into every situation with an open mind and with an eagerness to learn will change your outlook and success, I promise. If you go into any situation with a closed mind though, of course you are going to get little out of it.

Generally speaking school is a rather distorted concept from the original 1800s or so military schools where their job was to train officers, subsequently adopted when the peasants decided they all wanted education, and it was not so bad for factory workers either.

"nowadays"
A 1940s book quoting a 1938 article.
https://filetrip.net/gallery?F4fRm7BEls
The rest of the book is a rant on how religion not being taught in schools, with a nice aside being an anti communist rant, so maybe consider some of the things it says elsewhere (I love propaganda books and tend to pick them up) but this deliberately aims to be on something else. How much of it was word for word what I could expect to hear today shocked me somewhat, and I don't think things improved in the 1950s-1970s as I have their school textbooks as well.

"forced to study stuff you'll never-ever need in your life"
I often have a problem with this statement. I also have problems with people not being taught things useful to life but that does not then make the quoted statement valid. To borrow from the thing linked above is it there to solely prepare you for life or is it there to expand your mind? Also what do you imagine is not useful to life? I live an odd life, constantly building things and fixing things and figuring out how stuff works, so I am not entirely sure what can be said there (I tend to hear it when people are having trigonometry foisted upon them, quite useful for the shelves I built yesterday actually).

I do see a sharply limited value in homework. If it meant people retained it then it that would be one thing but it rarely seems to. That might also play into 1) on your list but I can't take that at face value and would need to see some stats confirming it and "home or hanging out with friends" does not help the case at all. Doubtless it would be fun but that is a different matter. Also school is a baby sitting service provided by the state for people to go work in many places, unpleasant but something your model would have to overcome.

"It's not like you'll remember most of it a day after the tests."
That's your problem and not something to be proud of*, not necessarily one of the system but I can see it promoting that at some level. Any test I take in life I full aim to be able to do about as well on 10 days, 10 weeks, 10 years... The only problems I expect to have are from minutia or from have subsequently studied to a higher level -- I recall maths at GCSE (tests they give to 16 year olds in the UK, not that it was considered a good life path but at the time you could have left school after that where today it is a bit more tricky) being told if you have to find the square root of minus one that you have gone wrong, today with all else I did after that you are going to get back complex or imaginary numbers.

*one of my favourite Doug Stanhope comedy sketches is his one on immigration. "they're lazy, don't speak the language, illiterate and steal"... "and they're taking our jobs" -- so you lost out to a slovenly, illiterate thief? What kind of loser are you then? Same idea here really.

"Tests should be less stressful and should contain less stuff as well"
You are thinking too small. Various future models of education have no tests per se and instead small questions peppered throughout the course. Once you have mastered those then you move on to newer material (such that things can even be delineated* any more).

*delineation seems to be a US problem. I have previously covered it but I occasionally find myself watching "crime fighters bring in genius to help them think non conventionally" type shows. In this case I think it was numbers and the crime of the week had a little voiced over section describing the cool maths they were using. I thought eh it is quirk of screenwriting, silly but OK. I then find myself getting to know the US school system (probably via interactions on forums) and actually it really is taught that way and you get scary monsters like calculus where I was just taught differentiation and integration as part of it all and had I not bothered to glance at the chapter heading I would not have considered it under that umbrella.

"better teachers"
"Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach."
Does not cover everything but covers a lot. You get the occasional altruistic type (not unrelated they often tend to make list of people's best teachers) but much like the military is not a bad choice for those with no other prospects this is that for those without a violent bent.

I think kids(in America) need to stay in school longer and no summer vacation. You should get an extended winter vacation from three days before Thanksgiving to January 15th. You should be able to choose when you want to go to school, i.e. 6am-3pm, 7am-4pm, etc., but you need to be in school 8 hours per day, with a one-hour free period to eat and whatever, just like the 40-hour work world. Diversified Occupations and Vo-tech should be easier to get into, with more options to prepare you for life.

They should change a few things you do in P-8th with HS-related classes. Seriously, they showed me how to sew, balance a checkbook, and woodshop in 6th grade, what kid does all that in 6th grade? Yet, by HS, they were giving us S.S.R. periods. Switch that shit.

They should also get a better curriculum to teach you how the world works and what life is like. They need better field trips. They need to inform you of backup plans when things don't go right.

Most importantly, they need to give a damn, so students give a damn.

And please, no more "inspirational" videos in the auditorium. Fuck you, Powerpoint presentations .

I go to all all boys school. Its great. The teachers are awesome and are OK with some goofing off. We get so much more freedom and homework is fine. Girls learn differently from guys and it so much better. Co-ed schools just add a lot of pressure on social things like dating. (Dont get me wrong I'm straight)

You forgot an important point: have it start later. I don't appreciate having to wake up at 5:30 each morning to get to school on time, then proceed to sleep walk mindlessly through the day. At least in college, we can buy coffee at any time and decide when to take our classes.

Seriously, the school system is too skewed towards Type-A workaholics, leaving everyone else miserable.

The school I am going to is the best on my country, good teachers, better and more interactive lessons, afterschool activities in school(part of the curriculum, but not compulsory), so I don't complain

"Co-ed schools just add a lot of pressure on social things like dating."
You may wish to experience the thing you are opining on before making such statements.

Maybe if the entire Temp rises up, we will convince schools to teach 3DS hacking

Yeah, the system is pretty bad, especially for me.
Generally, I have to start my assignments the moment I get home, and still, it slowly piles up, so it also takes the weekends. And my distraction issues do not help.

if the school only teaches you the essential knowledge to survive that would limit the options you can take when you choose your career path.

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Maybe if the entire Temp rises up, we will convince schools to teach 3DS hacking

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Why not pick a system which has games?

>have you watched (puts fucking youtubers), why can't teachers be more like this?
Because Teachers don't have a whole month to plan out a week-2 week long curriculum. Do you want flashy animations or something?

>make tests easier
I dunno about your system, but we have quizes before we have tests. One unit test in algebra covers that unit, a quiz covers that subject. You might have a quiz on the first 3 articles on the constitution, but your test will include all 7.

>fuck home work and fuck home studying
I don't agree with homework, but if you don't study you fail. Oh no, I had to cancel my appointment with my gals at the hair salon because I waited 5 weeks to study for my AP Human Geography test. REEEEEEEE BAD SCHOOL SYSTEM

>have less school per-day
Where do you get the notion that school should be only 5 hours? I go to school at 8 and get home at 4:30. I have 3-4 hours to hang out with friends or do whatever. Personally I don't see this as a big deal.

>they should cut the unnecessary stuff
Tell me, like what? Let me guess, we shouldn't have a Biology class because i'm not a chemist. We shouldn't have an English class because that's my native language. We shouldn't have a history class because i'm not a map maker?

Never before have I ever seen an argument with so many points and having them all be valid.