i updated my switch; and this is why

The OP wanted some peace of mind for his decision, I think it's ok to let it come out and here is a good place as any.

Of course many people won't agree but I'd rather congratulate than bash someone for going legit and showing developers the support they deserve.

DayVeeBoi said:

If you would rather use your computer for the things that people want hacked shit for thats fine. Why are you so worried about why theyre doing it? Why do you feel the need to convince people that you're right? I promise you theres things that will happen with homebrew on the switch that you cant do on your ;laptop for as long time, until a solid Switch emulator comes out.

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ROM hacks? Is that what your getting at?

That is the one thing that is separating me from going full-force into my arguments. Every time I start to reply to an argument, I start saying things about myself that aren't true because ROM hacks are the one thing I desire on the Switch.

I wasn't expecting this many replies on a thread like this tbh, I just kind of wanted to post this because.

These threads where people post about updating or asking if they should update should just be locked imho. They always turn to shitstorms between people who already have or are holding out on updating.

blujay said:

Huh. Must've read something in your post that wasn't there, or I was thinking of someone else when I said "you". Just remember that you are a minority. You will get parties from both sides who are just as bad.

Honestly, I would love to have a 3.0 Switch for the same reasons you want to have one, exploring security. I'm not telling people that have them that it is bad to have one, just their reasons aren't that great.

If everybody were as interested in security as you, I wouldn't be fighting my case.

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I imagine the biggest chunk of people coming in here wondering about the state of the game are worried about piracy. They're gonna be waiting a while yet for that, its not even close from what I can tell and the people working on it the most are almost all antipiracy, theyre not gonna make it easy. If that's all that the OP's are looking for, Id tell em not to hold their breath.

I am continually surprised by the useful homebrew that people come up with not related to piracy, and by the amount of inerest they get. Game mods for instance. Save editors. Along with adding the features Nintendo just dont care to (MK7 track editor, MarioMaker sharing tools). If all you see in homebrew is piracy, then maybe it's where your looking. The 3ds scene before it became easy enough a 7 year old could do it was a different scene. Soon as the barrier to hacking becomes so low that anyone can do it with minimal effort obviously the scene deteriorates. This isnt anything new. It happens outside of gaming as well.

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blujay said:

ROM hacks? Is that what your getting at?

That is the one thing that is separating me from going full-force into my arguments. Every time I start to reply to an argument, I start saying things about myself that aren't true because ROM hacks are the one thing I desire on the Switch.

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ROM hacks, Save editors, things we can't predict. Homebrew devs are creative ppl and who knows what interesting thing creative intelligent ppl come up with.

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8BitWonder said:

These threads where people post about updating or asking if they should update should just be locked imho. They always turn to shitstorms between people who already have or are holding out on updating.

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I do see a valid reason for people to ask if they should update. Normally I would say research it yourself, but at this stage it is a loty harder for someone who isnt paying close attention to get the kinda info you need to make an informed decision. The scene changes week to week with the rate of progress its been going and theres no centralized blog or anywhere writeups are being concentrated. You have to know the devs names and follow them basically. But then the threads get filled up with arguing and no information. Its why I bothered to open my mouth at all in this thread.

Pacote said:

People that are accessing a section of gbatemp exclusively for HACKING the switch, and trying to justify updating the console to a non-exploitable firmware was the right decision and they totally dont regret it....

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Remember this site is called GBAtemp, as in Game Boy Advanced. This site was created around a device that was discontinued 7 years ago.


Do know what it was like back then?
No iPhone
No Raspberry Pi or Audrino or any other tinker computers
No Android
No eShop
And Steam was just getting started

Back then hacking your handheld gaming thing was a super cool thing because it allowed you to do all sorts of things that no other device you could afford was capable of. And if you were an aspiring game developer you could learn how to tinker or mod a rom to make the game you wanted to play. Oh and you could download games to a flashcart and play them without juggling a few dozen carts.

But now we have smartphones capable of running any app
But now we have Steam Greenlight where any Tom and Dick can slap together a ironically pixelated game
But now we have dirt cheap Pis and Audrinos we can tinker with to our heart's delight.
But now we can purchase games and download them straight to the device
But now we have game guides, tutorials, walkthroughs, etc to learn tricks for defeating difficult levels.


All that we have left this is of any significance is piracy. That is a rather significant cultural shift from before. Back then hacking was something you did for fun and because you didn't have any better methods, but now all that's left is something clearly illegal which people become hell-bent on. I'm starting to think that moderators should heavily consider what sorts of content they want to encourage on this site and what stuff simply causes problems and hostility.

blujay said:

You fail to see that the main things that are created by homebrew anymore are tools to allow piracy. I have yet to see anybody praising a 3DS homebrew that doesn't allow some sort of game dumping or piracy.

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Right, but a lot of people consider homebrew by itself to be piracy, which is stupid.

theres going to be tons of piracy but i personally dont think piracy damages these companies. The users weren't going to buy in most cases anyway so its not lost revenue. It's like free promotion if anything. Similar to what happened to the music industry before they too evolved.

It's mostly older consoles that I'm excited about on the switch screen ps2 gamecube etc. I'd also like to play stuff like 2ds possibly. One of my big wishes is a pdf/cbr reader but people make fun of me for that. Mugen is also desired.

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Right, but a lot of people consider homebrew by itself to be piracy, which is stupid.

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It's like the Kodi media player. A great and open idea, but the most interest is in using it for illegal content. Kodi developers dreamed of getting Netflix and Hulu official support, but now that will never happen.

Homebrew is the same. I'm literally struggling to come up with any real use cases for Homebrew that isn't piracy related.

Futurdreamz said:

It's like the Kodi media player. A great and open idea, but the most interest is in using it for illegal content. Kodi developers dreamed of getting Netflix and Hulu official support, but now that will never happen.

Homebrew is the same. I'm literally struggling to come up with any real use cases for Homebrew that isn't piracy related.

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Right, but in and of itself, homebrew is perfectly legal, how it's used, however, is not concrete. Backups are great, but I use it for emulating older games. I don't feel the same moral qualms as much as I would with games still in production.

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theres going to be tons of piracy but i personally dont think piracy damages these companies. The users weren't going to buy in most cases anyway so its not lost revenue. It's like free promotion if anything. Similar to what happened to the music industry before they too evolved.

It's mostly older consoles that I'm excited about on the switch screen ps2 gamecube etc. I'd also like to play stuff like 2ds possibly. One of my big wishes is a pdf/cbr reader but people make fun of me for that. Mugen is also desired.

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Im in full agreement with you. I'm not a pirate (anymore) but the same people telling you how much damage piracy does also dont want you buying used games and heavily influence gamers to preorder (one of the shittiest practices)

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Homebrew is the same. I'm literally struggling to come up with any real use cases for Homebrew that isn't piracy related.

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If thats your view, I don't think you're qualified to comment on the state of homebrew. You ought to take a look at the Vita scene. Piles of good non piracy homebrew. Not that the 3DS is lacking, but piracy is definitely the focus there now.

This section (Switch Hacking and Homebrew) is technically the only place where saying "homebrew is pointless/ will take forever" is relevant on this website. That said, if you go to a Justin Bieber fan board to say "Justin Bieber is kind of over rated. I don't plan on buying any of his music. Don't hate it, just not for me." don't be surprised or butthurt when you get flamed.

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theres going to be tons of piracy but i personally dont think piracy damages these companies. The users weren't going to buy in most cases anyway so its not lost revenue. It's like free promotion if anything. Similar to what happened to the music industry before they too evolved.

It's mostly older consoles that I'm excited about on the switch screen ps2 gamecube etc. I'd also like to play stuff like 2ds possibly. One of my big wishes is a pdf/cbr reader but people make fun of me for that. Mugen is also desired.

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No, piracy does and can be a major cause of a companies downfall. If it was so easy to download stuff no one would buy anything and the market will crash because of that (assuming all consoles like the PS3, Wii, Wii U, etc... Had no firmware protection from HB at all.) Getting caught downloading items well, that's another story and most people would either agree or disagree you would get caught (or backing up content.)

It makes me sick thinking about that in a way, because lately people on this forum have been chatting about backups joking about stuff but it brought an image to my head; I want a Nintendo Switch, receives one as a gift, enjoys the console, wants Homebrew, but then also wants to play games on it. Plans on buying a second switch but then what's the point of buying games on it still since you spent $200 as much as about 6 games?

In other words, I feel like I have this really highly valued gift & console on the market but I complain I can't play games on it when I can clearly. I just choose not to

The same with the other things I want to buy; PS3 4 PS3 backups, Wii U for Wii U backups, Vita, psp, etc... I could probably go on. I feel like i'm supporting companies and franchises without really supporting anything in terms of sales or being a consumer.

It's making me have second thoughts about selling my PS2, Wii & 3ds as well just because of that ._.

I have enough hardware that I can play RetroArch games on. I'll wait for a flash card solution, and even THEN I'll wait some more. Kind of like how the EZ-Flash 4 or R4i 3DS Gold RTS carts are the best in their field for their price. I believe the Switch just needs to emulate a NAND chip in the cart slot, since the cartridges don't have anything else on their tiny PCBs.

Yup same thing, I updated today after reading all these threads and seeing that there is no reason to stay on 3.0. If the scene for the switch is good then a hack will be available on a later firmware anyways... if 3.0 will only be the only fw, considering how much better anti piracy appraoch is on Nintendo's side this time around then 3.0 hack wont be worth having in the first place.

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TC probably HAS NOTHING ELSE TO PLAY, there are only few selected titles which are N's exclusive, all others are also available on both consols or pc.

think wisely next time.... and cry more when HB comes out, tc

"showing developers the support they deserve"
Is the content there to make that claim? Merely doing means you have done, do well and then we can talk.

Anyway I agree and have long said the dedicated handhelds/manufacturer devices no longer offer something of great note here. See also why the 3ds was so weak compared to the GBA and DS. I don't consider this a bad thing -- I want cool software, hardware fiddling is fun and all and I highly encourage such things but cool software is what I rocked up for. If you were here for the GBA or DS believe it was all piracy, piracy+emulation, or piracy+emulation+effective emulation then you went very wrong somewhere, for the 3ds then you might have missed a few things if clicking through http://pdroms.de/news/nintendo-3ds/ is anything to go by but things there seem months apart where before the iphone killed DS homebrew I was often doing several posts a day on new and significantly updated original homebrew (or if you prefer then see for yourself http://pdroms.de/news/nintendods/page/99 ).

So the question then becomes. What if android gets ported and updated similar to any of the big custom ROMs (the potential homebrew set for the switch is probably up there with many of the big phones/tablets that do get the exploits and custom ROMs)? Game changer? I imagine we can probably assume a soft launched launcher/loader for commercial games -- nothing of the various hardware/software analysis I have seen thus far indicates too much in the way of a black box/oracle that would only respond when all the other updates fall in line (see something like the PSP needing to decrypt games, but enshrining something like that deep in hardware, possibly with a few APIs of note as well).

for now, i want to play games. down the road? yah, there will be exploits for a higher version. at that point, i'll get homebrew. i don't want to waste all the great games nintendo has now when i could play them today, and get homebrew later

"waste"
They will be around in a few years. Likely all patched up with DLC and everything.

It is not like Nintendo makes network games like EA with a two year lifetime, or alternate reality games that once individual puzzles are solved that it becomes less.