Biden: "You can’t be pro-insurrection and pro-America."

[Ligeia]

It was implied. And once again, that's subject to interpretation. Some parts of the country/world are much more vocal about their political opinions than others, and that applies to both conservatism and progressivism.

I specifically said "in western countries"... And no it was not implied, that's just the way you interpreted it. It seems to me you really wanna pick on me over nothing. Have a nice evening.

 

[supermist]

I specifically said "in western countries"... And no it was implied, that's just the way you interpreted it. It seems to me you really wanna pick on me over nothing. Have a nice evening.

Take your ball and go home energy again

 

[Dark_Ansem]

do you have a source on that?

Your posts.

 

[AdenTheThird]

Your posts.

Actually, I second this. I've conversed with you (not you, Ansem, you @lolcatzuru ) in a few conversations and have observed several other conversations of yours. In nearly every single comment you've posted, you've stated baseless claims and promptly turned around, asking us to prove you incorrect ("Hurr durr do you have a source for that?"). That isn't how debating or source-citing works. That also isn't how courtesy works. The only thing you've proven is that you either find joy in making things difficult for the rest of us, or do not know how to debate in the first place. If the former is true, I'd kindly ask that you either be more courteous of others' opinions or excuse yourself from the conversation. If the latter is true, then I'd suggest giving this a read, along with the related articles. Having to continually backtrack for arbitrary reasons is frustrating and counterproductive.

 

[lolcatzuru]

Actually, I second this. I've conversed with you (not you, Ansem, you @lolcatzuru ) in a few conversations and have observed several other conversations of yours. In nearly every single comment you've posted, you've stated baseless claims and promptly turned around, asking us to prove you incorrect ("Hurr durr do you have a source for that?"). That isn't how debating or source-citing works. That also isn't how courtesy works. The only thing you've proven is that you either find joy in making things difficult for the rest of us, or do not know how to debate in the first place. If the former is true, I'd kindly ask that you either be more courteous of others' opinions or excuse yourself from the conversation. If the latter is true, then I'd suggest giving this a read, along with the related articles. Having to continually backtrack for arbitrary reasons is frustrating and counterproductive.

Im sorry you feel that ive made something worse for you, i didnt know i was required to make sure you had a good time, so im sorry about that genuinely. I am aware that on here thats now how debates work, granted, in real life thats how it works, people have theories, the antithesis is to disprove them ( often people can't which leads to posts like these) but i get that on here no one is required to have a source (but me apparently) and they are to be taken at face value. im am going to not kindly decline whatever you are asking for, as im not required to be kind, how ever to address the last point, im the only one actually TRYING to make progress, when people have a pathology to lie constantly and i ask them to back up the lie, thats isnt counter productivity.

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I beg your pardon ? What group ?


Who, more than woke cultists, are actually more eager to enforce a racial/ethnic/religious hierarchy in Western Countries nowadays ?

the only group you mentioned that doesnt exist.

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Your posts.

so are you willing to override the guy earlier then? because earlier he said that unsubstantiated posts arent reliable, and now you are saying mine are, so you two have to work that out.

 

[Chris2055]

Someone who attempts full accountability of a word as opposed to choosing the definition that they can disagree with is certainly more accommodating. It'd be convenient for your argument if definition 2b wasn't real, but it is.

The reason there's multiple definitions is because there are multiple contexts. I can't believe i have to explain this. I've noticed a pattern with your posts. Whenever you can't defend your position on a topic, you try to redefine the argument.

You did it earlier with the term Insurrection. You did it again with the term Conservative. MAGA are good at this. They want to redefine everything until nothing means anything. Thankfully those of us grounded in reality understand context and gaslighting.

 

[lolcatzuru]

The reason there's multiple definitions is because there are multiple contexts. I can't believe i have to explain this. I've noticed a pattern with your posts. Whenever you can't defend your position on a topic, you try to redefine the argument.

You did it earlier with the term Insurrection. You did it again with the term Conservative. MAGA are good at this. They want to redefine everything until nothing means anything. Thankfully those of us grounded in reality understand context and gaslighting.

well, did they actually try to redefine it or are you saying they are because you dont agree?

 

[Chris2055]

well, did they actually try to redefine it or are you saying they are because you dont agree?

They tried to redefine it.

Source: This entire thread.

 

[lolcatzuru]

They tried to redefine it.

Source: This entire thread.

can you me more descriptive? granted the whole topic is pointless, but, id still like a specific example.

 

[Chris2055]

That's fair. See his recent post here.

Let's break it down.

Saying that conservatives are Nazis is defining.

While it's true that saying all conservatives are Nazis would be a defining characteristic of conservatives from the perspective of one that holds that belief, it would not switch the context of the original term which refers to people whose ideology falls to the right of the political spectrum and traditionally hold a specific set of beliefs or values to one who conserves... anything. That is ridiculous.

I believe that everyone is, and ought to be, conservative on a variety of issues--but when it comes to the left-right spectrum of politics for dummies, people feel like they have to pick a point on a line.

This statement tries to blur the lines between political ideology because the context of the discussion called for the meaning of the word Conservative as a political ideology. He can't defend trying to redefine the word so instead he's trying to make it meaningless by putting everyone in the conservative bucket.

Anyone who disagrees with you is gaslighting you. Real healthy perspective there. Did CNN take the role of your parents as they both worked full time to provide for you?

You can't disagree on objective reality.

 

[lolcatzuru]

That's fair. See his recent post here.

Let's break it down.


While it's true that saying all conservatives are Nazis would be a defining characteristic of conservatives from the perspective of one that holds that belief, it would not switch the context of the original term which refers to people whose ideology falls to the right of the political spectrum and traditionally hold a specific set of beliefs or values to one who conserves... anything. That is ridiculous.


This statement tries to blur the lines between political ideology for because the context of the discussion called for the meaning of the word Conservative as a political ideology. He can't defend trying to redefine the word so instead he's trying to make it meaningless by putting everyone in the conservative bucket.


You can't disagree on objective reality.

can you source the first paragraph?

 

[supermist]

can you source the first paragraph?

Can you MAGAs stop gish galloping?

 

[lolcatzuru]

Can you MAGAs stop gish galloping?

i will whenever you acknowledge im the furtherest thing from a maga there is.

 

[tabzer]

Projection is another known rhetoric tactic.

*does it*

Lol.

The reason there's multiple definitions is because there are multiple contexts.

So find the context that matches "nazi".

While it's true that saying all conservatives are Nazis would be a defining characteristic of conservatives from the perspective of one that holds that belief, it would not switch the context of the original term which refers to people whose ideology falls to the right of the political spectrum and traditionally hold a specific set of beliefs or values to one who conserves... anything. That is ridiculous.

The political spectrum is often perceived as bipolar, especially in contexts where political discourse is dominated by two major opposing ideologies or parties, such as liberalism and conservatism in the United States. This bipolar view simplifies the complex range of political beliefs into a linear spectrum, typically with left-wing (liberal, progressive) ideologies on one end and right-wing (conservative, reactionary) ideologies on the other.

However, this bipolar model is a simplification and does not capture the full diversity of political views and ideologies that exist. Several key points illustrate why the political spectrum is more complex than a simple bipolar model:

1. **Multidimensional Issues**: Many political issues cannot be adequately placed on a simple left-right axis. For example, opinions on environmental policy, immigration, and civil liberties can vary independently of traditional left-right economic issues.

2. **Variations Within Ideologies**: Within the broad categories of "left" and "right," there is a wide range of beliefs and sub-ideologies. For instance, the left includes social democrats, socialists, communists, and greens, each with distinct views. Similarly, the right encompasses conservatives, libertarians, monarchists, and fascists, among others.

3. **Emergence of Centrist and Third-Party Movements**: Many countries have significant centrist, moderate, or third-party movements that do not fit neatly into the left-right dichotomy. These groups often blend ideas from both sides or focus on issues that aren't squarely left or right.

4. **Alternative Dimensions**: Political scientists sometimes use multiple dimensions to more accurately chart political beliefs. For example, a two-dimensional model might include a social axis (ranging from liberal to conservative) and an economic axis (ranging from socialist to capitalist).

5. **Cultural and Contextual Differences**: The meaning of "left" and "right" can vary significantly between different countries and historical periods. For instance, what is considered conservative in one country might be seen as quite progressive in another.

In summary, while the bipolar model of the political spectrum is a useful tool for understanding basic political differences, it is an oversimplification. The reality is that political beliefs are multidimensional and vary widely both within and between societies.

 

[Chris2055]

So find the context that matches "nazi".

Find the post where I said anything about conservatives being Nazis. You can't, because I didn't. Let's stop with the strawman arguments, please.

 

[lolcatzuru]

Find the post where I said anything about conservatives being Nazis. You can't, because I didn't. Let's stop with the strawman arguments, please.

im glad you didnt because they are the furthest thing from.

 

[supermist]

im glad you didnt because they are the furthest thing from.

Do we need to post the articles to debunk this again?

 

[tabzer]

Find the post where I said anything about conservatives being Nazis. You can't, because I didn't. Let's stop with the strawman arguments, please.

I'm referring to the context of you ignoring the claim that conservatives are Nazis and, instead, fighting the disputation of it.

You've trained in mental gymnastics for years; this isn't a leap nor a hop.

Not only do actions speak, you just told me that it's okay for people to perceive conservatives as Nazis. "It's defining for people who think that way". Lol. Are you serious?

Do we need to post the articles to debunk this again?

Mao Zedong ftw.

 

[lolcatzuru]

Do we need to post the articles to debunk this again?

well that wouldnt matter, someones word is good enough apparently, but sure, it wont change reality but you are welcome to.

 

[The Catboy]

I feel like people forgot that this thread was about traitors who threw a hissy fit and called out by the old dude running the country on a dead platform