The Gaza Invasion Escalates

[Engert]

or the usa could stop giving so much aid to Egypt

Yes, that too. I want USA out of middle east completely.

 

[crystal107]

Don't give up.
I don't hate you.

<3

Sorry if I was emotional, it just feels like there are many against Israeli actions, while I don't see many options for my country to defend its citizens other than going against Hamas and stopping the missiles...

I'll try to give in more info and continue this, but bf calls

 

[BlueStar]

I imagine if we responded to IRA bombs by blowing the shit out of Dublin and turning one side of Belfast into a concentration camp that we'd be decades away from peace. Funny that there are more than two options. It's not just either 1) Never defend yourself against anything,ever or 2) Imprison over one million people in a little strip of land, starve them and blow the ever loving fuck out of them until they do exactly what you want. Israel's actions are war crimes and while the people committing them think they are untouchable now, history has shown that won't always be the case.

Gilad Sharon, the son of former Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, has an Op-Ed in today's Jerusalem Post in which, among other things, he writes

"We need to flatten entire neighborhoods in Gaza. Flatten all of Gaza. The Americans didn't stop with Hiroshima – the Japanese weren't surrendering fast enough, so they hit Nagasaki, too.

"There should be no electricity in Gaza, no gasoline or moving vehicles, nothing."

According to Haaretz, Israel's Interior Minister, Eli Yishai, said this about Israel's attacks on Gaza: "The goal of the operation is to send Gaza back to the Middle Ages."

AKA 'proportionate defence'

 

[Valwin]

I imagine if we responded to IRA bombs by blowing the shit out of Dublin and turning one side of Belfast into a concentration camp that we'd be decades away from peace. Funny that there are more than two options. It's not just either 1) Never defend yourself against anything,ever or 2) Imprison over one million people in a little strip of land, starve them and blow the ever loving fuck out of them until they do exactly what you want. Israel's actions are war crimes and while the people committing them think they are untouchable now, history has shown that won't always be the case.





AKA 'proportionate defence'

They've been too nice; I would send them back to 4000BC for being assholes and thinking all those missile would go unpunished.

 

[ThatDudeWithTheFood]

When Israeli soilders are speaking out against their government something is obviously wrong.

 

[Valwin]

When Israeli soilders are speaking out against their government something is obviously wrong.

and USA soldiers went and hide in canada in order not to fight and in another case one even cross to north korea this is really nothing new there are crappy soldiers like this

 

[askaquestion123]

When Israeli soilders are speaking out against their government something is obviously wrong.

That's exactly why 87% of Israeli's that were just polled supported the operation.

 

[ThatDudeWithTheFood]

and USA soldiers went and hide in canada in order not to fight and in another case one even cross to north korea this is really nothing new there are crappy soldiers like this

Someone saying that their government is commiting war crimes is completely different than someone who doesn't want to fight because they don't believe in something.
In that situation they are running away either because they are pussies or they don't agree with something but in this case his government is doing something completely wrong.

That's exactly why 87% of Israeli's that were just polled supported the operation.

Yes, because they are all fighting and witnessing war crimes.

 

[BlueStar]

Chomsky:

Israel uses sophisticated attack jets and naval vessels to bomb densely-crowded refugee camps, schools, apartment blocks, mosques, and slums to attack a population that has no air force, no air defense, no navy, no heavy weapons, no artillery units, no mechanized armor, no command in control, no army… and calls it a war. It is not a war, it is murder.When Israelis in the occupied territories now claim that they have to defend themselves, they are defending themselves in the sense that any military occupier has to defend itself against the population they are crushing. You can't defend yourself when you're militarily occupying someone else's land. That's not defense. Call it what you like, it's not defense.

 

[Qtis]

Chomsky:

No offense, but that basically sums up quite a few war situations in the past. Situations that are considered as being war with one side vastly superior vs the other in a technical sense. Like the Winter War between Finland and the USSR, which ended up being a victory for both sides in a way (Finland was still independent, but the USSR got quite a few important parts of Finnish territory). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_war

Even though one side is considered as being underpowered, it can still be considered war as both sides use aggressive force. It doesn't matter that one side is using one type of missile and the other side another if people die. There is no excuse for either side.

ps. If you didn't know, Russia (former USSR) is still "occupying" the land lost in the wars. Also it's impossible for a foreigner to buy land from border areas of Russia, but still Russians can buy land from many countries that have borderlines with it

 

[BlueStar]

There's a difference between a war between unmatched opponents and simple genocide. This is Israel's final solution to their Palestinian 'problem'.

 

[Qtis]

There's a difference between a war between unmatched opponents and simple genocide. This is Israel's final solution to their Palestinian 'problem'.

If Israel is willing to stop the assault on the Gaza strip, will the missile attacks stop? This seems to be the biggest issue. I'm not saying that the palestinians are to blame, but that the military wing of Hamas has a lot to do with it just like the IDF. Not a single state wants to live in constant fear of a missile attack or a bombardment from either side of the border.

 

[BlueStar]

If the rocket attacks stop, will the illegal settlements be removed? Will the starvation sanctions stop?

 

[Valwin]

If the rocket attacks stop, will the illegal settlements be removed? Will the starvation sanctions stop?

wtf they were removed already. Are you not keeping up with information or are you just making shit up?

 

[BlueStar]

wtf they were removed already. Are you not keeping up with information or are you just making shit up?

What? You think the illegal Israeli settlements have all been 'removed'? Where are you getting this stuff from?

 

[Foxi4]

If Israel is willing to stop the assault on the Gaza strip, will the missile attacks stop? This seems to be the biggest issue. I'm not saying that the palestinians are to blame, but that the military wing of Hamas has a lot to do with it just like the IDF. Not a single state wants to live in constant fear of a missile attack or a bombardment from either side of the border.

Very true, it takes two to tango.

Both sides have blood on their hands and fighting until either side exhausts their resources is not, and never was a solution. As long as both sides will do their best to achieve peace, sanctions againts Gaza are removed and the state is proclaimed independent, everything will resolve itself as time passes. When either side tries to dominate the other and force the other party to bend to their demands, things go sour.

 

[Valwin]

What? You think the illegal Israeli settlements have all been 'removed'? Where are you getting this stuff from?

They were removed

 

[finkmac]

They were removed

I like how you don't post any of your sources.

 

[Valwin]

I like how you don't post any of your sources.

I like how you don't know anything about the middle east. You should go and read some history, I recommend from 3000BC to the present and especially the crusades as they were very interesting.

 

[Engert]

I have a question for you Valwin.
Why do you seek Western approval?
I mean Israel can nuke Palestine. Why do you seek approval?