Hardware Baseless Nintendo NX speculation thread

[Yil]

@TotalInsanity4 you made the reach and limit news sound like april fools, but this news is older.
Also I have many sources for you, from the last days. All stating basically the same.

http://nextgameration.de/2016/04/01/neue-geruechte-um-nintendo-nx/
http://playmoments.de/2016/03/ninte...o-enthuellung-im-april-viele-weitere-details/
https://www.lost-in-games.de/neue-geruechte-welle-nintendo-nx-nintendo-reach-limit-heissen/
http://www.gamecontrast.de/jede-menge-geruecht-um-nintendo-nx/
http://www.nat-games.de/2016/03/31/...er-konsole-erste-launch-spiele-preis-gegeben/
http://praxistipps.chip.de/nintendo-nx-infos-und-release_42116
http://www.giga.de/konsolen/nintend...men-preis-und-release-fenster-durchgesickert/

Google translated most important feature list:

Here you have listed the most important information clearly:

The console is Nintendo Reach appear glad and in 2 variants, a stationary and a portable
The stationary version is Christmas 2016 appear that portable mid 2017
The games are sold on small memory chips, similar to the Nintendo 3DS
The handheld will be as great as have the lower half of the 3DS and a "Head Tracking" feature
it is voice chats, cloud storage and "MyNintendo" missions give
The cloud storage works between the stationary console and handheld
The main console will cost 350 US $
The handheld will be sold for 199 US $
In addition, some information about the first games were betrayed:

As starting games are "The Legend of Zelda - The Fields of Dawn", a new Mario game called "Mario Underground", and a new branch of Animal Crossing planned
The new Mario game plays in Truffle Kingdom, which lies under the ground
Mario Underground will focus on its history and you can take against underground variants of familiar characters
Annually published series parts of Ubisoft, EA and Activision are ready to start

Wasn't this one a long while ago?

 

[TotalInsanity4]

Wasn't this one a long while ago?

It may have been. This is genuinely the first time I've heard this particular rumor, though (and something this specific that wasn't OBVIOUSLY fake)

 

[Yil]

QUESTION:
do you think nowdays is possible to make again cartridges gaesm for home consoles?
I mean ps4 games retail are about 59$ or 69$ without discounts.
for that price is possible to have a cartridges with maybe 32GB ?
ok i know SD cards offer more and even cheaper, but a custom format would be pricer anyway.

as a collector i would love having again paper boxes and cartridges for the moe console.

Emmc was insanely cheap right now thanks to smartphones, and they are both cheaper and faster than your average sd card. And formatting is more on the software side(not even firmware).
Different formats of storage read data in a way like one language translated into another, sometimes involving cipher. And if you are talking about ifs 2.0, then no, it's too expansive.
Edit: it's UFS, not ifs. Is ifs even a word?

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It may have been. This is genuinely the first time I've heard this particular rumor, though (and something this specific that wasn't OBVIOUSLY fake)

It's sound like old info + fans wish list that world's worst three company are going to corrupt the platform. The best solution is to purchase then disband the company.

 

[nintendarium]

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[Sakitoshi]

Wrong.
At least on my country the price of a 50 units BD-R 25GB tower is about 31.49 US$(20990 CLP$) while a single class 4 32GB microSD card(microSD for some reason are cheaper than regular SD) is around 23.99 US$(15990 CLP$).
BD-R are 15 times cheaper than SD cards.

If Nintendo goes the flash memory route is going to be suicide or are going to take a risk and take less revenue for their games, and that at the same time would spell no third party support as they aren't gonna devalue their games.

 

[nintendarium]

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[Sakitoshi]

They are pushing to digital .--->mynintendo is another proof they want you to go only digital.
they fired some people in germany on logistic some years ago.
They are closing distribution in greece and east europe last year.
for them logistic is less and less a priority.
the money they saved on logistic can be spend for regional online shops that are based on third party amazon like companies
and then delivering cartridges for people that want physical stuff is not such a problem for them...

going digital for the casual and cartridges for the aficionados is making all happy ...
they save a lot of money, not need for mechanical pieces like disc readers in future consoles , they could even put a 64gb rom into an amiibo and sell it for 70$ (like wiiu bundles)...

I see they are pushing into digital, but not as strong as you may think, at least not at the moment.
It is true that MyNintendo offers only digital rewards (which are better from my point of view than a physical bargain that I'll admire once and then never again and I was unable to receive anyway because where USA only) but the Wii U isn't as prepared for that, you need to forcefully use an external drive to do that while since the past generation the competition has large internal storage for that purpose. 3DS is better on that front but they still need to update their policies to allow users better access to their purchased content (being able to unlink accounts and transfer them without the need to physically have both consoles would be a good start).
Now you can say "but the NX will solve all that" and you may be right, but let's get real, we know literally nothing about it sans its working name.

About partial physical distribution, isn't gonna happen. It's a terrible idea financially talking.
When you produce something for profit you maximize production and lower costs, flash memory is more expensive than bluray discs and producing low quantities isn't worth it, or you mass produce or you don't produce at all, those are the only profitable options.

 

[nintendarium]

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[Sakitoshi]

let's make this example:
vinyl is in good shape , cd is dead.

with mp3 and streaming services (=steam) cd market collapsed.
but strangely the dead market of vinyls resurrected (=cartdriges ???)
this because while the mass of the consumers moved to digital music only with the saving on costs on the logistic this freed resources to offer a premium physical to be sold from online shops and in some cases also into shops since the look of vinyls are way cooler than a cd ...

as for external disc, I still prefer an external hdd as storage solution , for me the better solution, for easy to be i prefer not to change an internal hdd on my own to a device apart my self assembled pc....

Comparing vinyl/cd to cartridges/optical media is impossible.

First: the sound quality of vinyl is unparalleled (you get the full audible spectrum) while digital media is mostly lossy (and even lossless formats like wav and flac lacks the harmonic range that vinyls have), CDs are the easy to use physical media that while isn't as hifi as vinyl is still better than MP3 and people prefer it. While games are only data and that data doesn't matter where is stored, be it a flash memory of an optical media is still exactly the same data bit by bit.
Second: you can't pirate vinyls, there are no means to do so, so the only way to get the same quality of sound is getting the real deal and they are willing to pay extra for that quality. with games as stated above, they are the same no matter what, Super Mario Bros is Super Mario Bros and plays the same pirated or legit, seeing that there is no difference and is free people just pirate. I know this isn't the poison of the gaming industry but is more present than in other entertainment industries.
Third: The music industry is well known by his people and thus is predictable that if I produce 100 vinyls all those 100 vinyls will be sold out. The game industry is too unstable for that, you can produce 100 copies of something and maybe sell only 30. Now this is a point in favor of digital distribution as you just publish the stuff on the digital store and wait for the money to come. But you need to factor in that servers need to be maintained and doesn't cost peanuts, all those "freed resources" go to the maintenance, electric bill and network bandwidth of the servers. Also most people is completely ignorant about the online aspects of game consoles and thinks that the only way to get games is by physical media.

 

[nintendarium]

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[Sakitoshi]

1)
it's not a difference in quality, point discussed is the durability of the medium.
cd /dvd are awful in that for both music and data.
also another thing in common that they have is manufacturing and packaging that give more value in the eyes of customer.

If they where that awful it wont be used and guess what., are being used by everyone and their dogs and cats.
I remind you that cartridges are not indestructible, the cart itself could last a longer than a cd or dvd but the contacts wear every time you insert and extract it. If your card has built-in memory for backup that memory has a limited number of writes and you'll end up not being able to save your game. Bluray are another story from cd/dvd, bluray have a scratch resistant coating to prevent scratches. In conclusion both media last a respectable amount of time but aren't by any mean eternal.

2)
bootleg pirates salud you from 1960's ...eheheh c'mon really you can use pirating as an argument speaking of vinyls...XD

I insist. that pirate copy doesn't have the same quality of the original copy. Does Mario jump a few pixels less every time you pirate a game?? no.

3)
most "first print editions", "deluxe /collectors editions go sold out in minutes ...
this system is already a reality for games, preorders for games are a nice tool to know in advance how many copies to print without waste money...
just take that to the extreme of making them the only physical ones...at that point you go sold out in seconds ...!!!

You got a point there but what about the poor guy who doesn't have the money at the moment or simply can't preorder at all because of reasons?? He'll be screwed hard and I bet the backlash of the people will be great.

4)
spending money to maintain servers is mandatory anyway, that way you pay to connect to PSN or XLIVE ... and if Nintendo is gonna make a fully and proper online account and online servers for gaming they gonna adapt and ask money for maintenace to you
and logistics are paid by amiibo ...

You need extra storage you plan to distribute games online, that'll need like 3 backups in different locations to be sure you'll never lose data.
The distribution of games online need to be done no matter what so your point about asking money for online is moot. If they ask money to buy online it will be like paying a fee to enter a walmart.

Enough of this. I'm done here.

 

[Yil]

If they where that awful it wont be used and guess what., are being used by everyone and their dogs and cats.
I remind you that cartridges are not indestructible, the cart itself could last a longer than a cd or dvd but the contacts wear every time you insert and extract it. If your card has built-in memory for backup that memory has a limited number of writes and you'll end up not being able to save your game. Bluray are another story from cd/dvd, bluray have a scratch resistant coating to prevent scratches. In conclusion both media last a respectable amount of time but aren't by any mean eternal.


I insist. that pirate copy doesn't have the same quality of the original copy. Does Mario jump a few pixels less every time you pirate a game?? no.


You got a point there but what about the poor guy who doesn't have the money at the moment or simply can't preorder at all because of reasons?? He'll be screwed hard and I bet the backlash of the people will be great.


You need extra storage you plan to distribute games online, that'll need like 3 backups in different locations to be sure you'll never lose data.
The distribution of games online need to be done no matter what so your point about asking money for online is moot. If they ask money to buy online it will be like paying a fee to enter a walmart.

Enough of this. I'm done here.

Speed: Xpoint(almost infinite read/ write and faster than ddr4) >> nvme > UFS > Sata SSD > emmc >= U sd> HDD >= sd> Blueray
Size: Xpoint > hdd > 3d Nvme > SSD > UFS > emmc >= sd > current blueray
Also all nand are shock resistant
Blueray simply isn't fast enough, but viable for giant sum of data, which is still under development of Sony.

 

[nintendarium]

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[TotalInsanity4]

Keep it NX related guys

 

[BurningDesire]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1204802 @TotalInsanity4\


Seems like you can use anything as a controller and or projects holograms and or reads amiibos

 

[TotalInsanity4]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1204802 @TotalInsanity4\


Seems like you can use anything as a controller and or projects holograms and or reads amiibos

I'll look at that when I get home. It sounds like that ain't going in the OP, though, because that sounds fake as f*ck and way outside of Nintendo's budget "consumer friendly" ideology.

Then again, I suppose it could be "Kinnect"-like, but I don't think Nintendo would try to go backwards innovation-wise

 

[BurningDesire]

I'll look at that when I get home. It sounds like that ain't going in the OP, though, because that sounds fake as f*ck and way outside of Nintendo's budget "consumer friendly" ideology.

Then again, I suppose it could be "Kinnect"-like, but I don't think Nintendo would try to go backwards innovation-wise

kk m8

 

[TotalInsanity4]

kk m8

Although, now that I'm looking at it, it would be pretty cool if that was a standalone device or an add-on to the console that would do some sort of mirror-hologram stuff

 

[BurningDesire]

Although, now that I'm looking at it, it would be pretty cool if that was a standalone device or an add-on to the console that would do some sort of mirror-hologram stuff

Like kinnect combined with hololens

 

[TotalInsanity4]

Like kinnect combined with hololens

Except not on your face