Do You Believe In God?

[TheDarkGreninja]

Quite the read.
http://www.hamzatzortzis.com/essays-articles/philosophy-theology/a-response-to-the-god-delusion/

 

[evandixon]

Then why is there a Thou Shall not Kill Commandment?????????????

The command says no murder. Murder =/= kill.

 

[TheDarkGreninja]

I should add infinity is not possible in the real world.
Really interesting debate: (whether youre athiest
or not)


I have respect for both speakers. A lot of respect for krausse.
@Lacius skip to 1:44 you'll get your answer there.

 

[Yil]

It's not that that God demands that people who don't believe in Him be murdered, it's that we all deserve death for being corrupt through sin, and he provided a way for us to get back to Him (through Jesus). Everyone has the choice to not come back to Him, but will miss out on the gift of eternal life.

Not falling for that one. Permanently being a part of him is an end far worse than perished. So instead, I will make him perish, or a worse outcome make ourselves perish but that will save everything else from him.

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1. Theism, as a way of defining God, is dead. So most theological God-talk is today meaningless. A new way to speak of God must be found.
2. Since God can no longer be conceived in theistic terms, it becomes nonsensical to seek to understand Jesus as the incarnation of the theistic deity. So the Christology of the ages is bankrupt.
3. The Biblical story of the perfect and finished creation from which human beings fell into sin is pre-Darwinian mythology and post-Darwinian nonsense.
4. The virgin birth, understood as literal biology, makes Christ's divinity, as traditionally understood, impossible.
5. The miracle stories of the New Testament can no longer be interpreted in a post-Newtonian world as supernatural events performed by an incarnate deity.
6. The view of the cross as the sacrifice for the sins of the world is a barbarian idea based on primitive concepts of God and must be dismissed.
7. Resurrection is an action of God. Jesus was raised into the meaning of God. It therefore cannot be a physical resuscitation occurring inside human history.
8. The story of the Ascension assumed a three-tiered universe and is therefore not capable of being translated into the concepts of a post-Copernican space age.
9. There is no external, objective, revealed standard written in scripture or on tablets of stone that will govern our ethical behavior for all time.
10. Prayer cannot be a request made to a theistic deity to act in human history in a particular way.
11. The hope for life after death must be separated forever from the behavior control mentality of reward and punishment. The Church must abandon, therefore, its reliance on guilt as a motivator of behavior.
12. All human beings bear God's image and must be respected for what each person is. Therefore, no external description of one's being, whether based on race, ethnicity,gender or sexual orientation, can properly be used as the basis for either rejection or discrimination

Just something I feel that has to be considered.

My experience in mythism tells me that despite evolution is correct, biology still cannot comprehend the exact definition of life. There has been experiment that rocks formation which simulate cells despite not being organic. Just google.
I wonder how long it takes for non organic to develop a brain like structure and if it like ours rely on electrucity.

 

[GuyInDogSuit]

No, I don't. I used to, until I began to think for myself. And while I enjoy a good debate, I will not start one here. To each his own.

 

[Yil]

The command says no murder. Murder =/= kill.

What's thr difference? If an action result in one's death it is a murder. There is no justification. The difference is if someone take guilt following that action.

 

[evandixon]

What's thr difference? If an action result in one's death it is a murder. There is no justification. The difference is if someone take guilt following that action.

Kill:
"to deprive of life : cause the death of"
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/kills

Murder:
"the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought"
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/murder

"Kill" is a more general word, while "Murder" implies the intention of doing harm.

If someone breaks into your house with a gun, and you try to disarm him, killing him in the process, that's not murder.

 

[GuyInDogSuit]

Kill:
"to deprive of life : cause the death of"
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/kills

Murder:
"the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought"
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/murder

"Kill" is a more general word, while "Murder" implies the intention of doing harm.

If someone breaks into your house with a gun, and you try to disarm him, killing him in the process, that's not murder.

Biblical terms and legal/modern terms are rather different in some people's eyes....

 

[evandixon]

Biblical terms and legal/modern terms are rather different in some people's eyes....

For killing vs murder, there is no difference between the legal and biblical terms.

http://coldcasechristianity.com/2013/the-difference-between-killing-and-murdering/

 

[GuyInDogSuit]

For killing vs murder, there is no difference between the legal and biblical terms.

http://coldcasechristianity.com/2013/the-difference-between-killing-and-murdering/

No, not if you actually take that into moral consideration. There are some fundamentalist groups in every religion, regardless of similar beliefs, that commit murder whether it's morally right or not.

 

[evandixon]

No, not if you actually take that into moral consideration. There are some fundamentalist groups in every religion, regardless of similar beliefs, that commit murder whether it's morally right or not.

Just because some people have different beliefs about this doesn't make them right (just look at Westboro "Baptist Church"). The bible is pretty clear on this subject: it is not a sin to kill someone if you are trying to defend someone (see here for sources).

 

[GuyInDogSuit]

Just because some people have different beliefs about this doesn't make them right (just look at Westboro "Baptist Church"). The bible is pretty clear on this subject: it is not a sin to kill someone if you are trying to defend someone (see here for sources).

Didn't say they were right. In fact, I was insinuating that they are, in fact, wrong. Very wrong. And this is part of the reason why religion has become a problem. If you don't believe me, look into the religious beliefs of various world leaders that have started wars and genocide. The USA is the biggest perpetrator of wars in the world.

 

[Yil]

Didn't say they were right. In fact, I was insinuating that they are, in fact, wrong. Very wrong. And this is part of the reason why religion has become a problem. If you don't believe me, look into the religious beliefs of various world leaders that have started wars and genocide. The USA is the biggest perpetrator of wars in the world.

However there is the case of law abuse, but still killing innocent people in god's name is wrong. So in exchange, someone has to kill god, not to mention a mass genocide on everything he planed some time in the future.

 

[baselhamad]

yes, i believe in god, i'm a muslim, i believe in god ''Allah'' but my question is: why the unbelievable voters doesn't believe in god?? tell me voter, who created you? who gave you a brain to think? who gave you the heart and family? it's the god, Allah alghafor, alraheem so please voter, believe in god

 

[grossaffe]

yes, i believe in god, i'm a muslim, i believe in god ''Allah'' but my question is: why the unbelievable voters doesn't believe in god?? tell me voter, who created you? who gave you a brain to think? who gave you the heart and family? it's the god, Allah alghafor, alraheem so please voter, believe in god

Two people boning made me. Who made Allah?

 

[TheDarkGreninja]

Two people boning made me. Who made Allah?

an uncreated creator. you should watch the video above.

 

[Yil]

yes, i believe in god, i'm a muslim, i believe in god ''Allah'' but my question is: why the unbelievable voters doesn't believe in god?? tell me voter, who created you? who gave you a brain to think? who gave you the heart and family? it's the god, Allah alghafor, alraheem so please voter, believe in god

Does not "Allah" mean "The lord" in several language?
Another question, how do you even know any of this is true just because someone more powerful than average human tell you it is? Majority of religious prophets have demonstrate power beyond, say, psychic.

 

[evandixon]

Who made Allah?

No one.

Theists, Deists, Athiests, and Panthiests (I believe that covers pretty much everyone) all believe that something has to be infinite, having always been, needing no maker. Thiests (like myself), Deists, and Panthiests believe that God is infinite, and athiests believe that the universe or matter is infinite.

 

[Yil]

No one.

Theists, Deists, Athiests, and Panthiests (I believe that covers pretty much everyone) all believe that something has to be infinite, having always been, needing no maker. Thiests (like myself), Deists, and Panthiests believe that God is infinite, and athiests believe that the universe or matter is infinite.

Then what is existence? How can it be explained since it comes before and thus beyond logic. (be preserved, even if lack of physical, or even some vision in your head is classified as existing)

 

[grossaffe]

an uncreated creator. you should watch the video above.

All you're doing is pushing the creation question further down the line without providing any real answers.