Muslim & Atheist Debate, Interesting!

[MadMageKefka]

Lmao.... No evidence. News flash: carbon dating is a thing. Evolution is a proven fact. The problem is stubborn people, not lack of evidence. We know humans existed long before Christianity says they did. I don't know as much about other religions, so I can't comment on when they think humans were created.

 

[Deleted User]

/full atheism
Religion was created by us and passed down by ages.
Your Jesus, Buddha etc. is just our imagination.
We still don't know answers to common, yet dumb questions like "Which was first? Chicken or Egg?" or "What was created first? Space or Planet?". Religion answers these pretty easily and puts us at ease.
Religion also provides some dumb stuff such as "Apocalypse", "Proving love for a god" etc.

If Moon covers Sun for 5s, you will not see "demons" "Satan" or "Jesus" or even your "Buddha".
But who i can teach, right? Bible is a novel created by many humans and passed through the years. You never know when it was finished.

aaannnddd that's all i had to write.

 

[gamefan5]

Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence, but it sure isn't evidence of existence either.

There isn't a single logical reason to believe in any God. Not even one.

To convince me that there's a God all I need is some solid evidence. I don't think that's unreasonable.

If you ask a religious person what it would take to convince them that there is no God, chances are they'll say it's not possible. That already tells you that something fishy is going on.

Religion gives you all the answers so you don't ask questions.

Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence, but it sure isn't evidence of existence either.
Thank you for repeating the first part of my creed. That is because there is no evidence of its existence.
Which comes back to the second part of the sentence. Doesn't mean it is evidence of absence.

Note that I don't care whether it exists or not.
It just means I am not going to say that it does not exist because there is no proof of it.

In any case, whether or not God exists, has no effect on my life. If it exists, hooray. If it does not, hooray again.

 

[CosmoCortney]

Today I was in Frankfurt am Main and there were 2 Christians talking to strainers and talking about sins and people were really annoyed lol
I as an Atheist think everyone should believe, life and think the way they want as long as they accept everyone's way of believe or non-believe and get along well and don't force someone to believe or not to believe in something. If I understood the Bible right it tells everyone has their own autonomy and it's a sin to force someone to believe in something.
Aren't we all born atheist and tough a religion?
I have Christian and Muslim friends and get along very well

 

[invaderyoyo]

Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence, but it sure isn't evidence of existence either.
Thank you for repeating the first part of my creed. That is because there is no evidence of its existence.
Which comes back to the second part of the sentence. Doesn't mean it is evidence of absence.

Not that I don't care whether it exists or not.
It just means I am not going to say that it does not exist because there is no proof of it.

I repeated it on purpose. That statement can be applied to any crazy idea. It doesn't mean anything.

 

[Abu_Senpai]

No, they wouldn't Muslims have no sizeable majority any of the places that have rights for Gays & women, and when Muslims do have a sizeable population those rights don't exist.

I'm not looking at the past the only place where Stoning is still legal is Muslim countries and it is a routine occurrence.

There are 15 countries in which stoning is either practiced or authorized by law, even if it has never been practiced. In Iran, Mauritania, Nigeria (in one-third of the country's states), Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, the United Arab Emirates, and Yemen, stoning is a legal punishment.

If you want the video evidence send me a request via PM and I will keep your inbox filled for the next year.


To claim their is any parity at all when it comes to respect for basic human rights, life, freedom between Muslims and the rest of the world is spitting in the face of every person on the planet where women can drive, not get stoned to death, doesn't have FGM, be-headings, or a cultural acceptance of "Killing the infidels".

Stop trying to claim Buddhists are just as likely to chop someones head off, it's a bigoted a lie.

My point is that the majority do not practice it. We cant change the laws of those 15 countries.

Believe me i wish we could since id rather have life in prision than be stoned to death.

But that is why i agreed to some of the things the user above said about reforming islam. If we could reform islam by abolishing the stoning laws then well that would benefit many.

Regardless of whether their legal in those 15 countries. Answer me this how many a year die via stoning?

I agree that these laws in the 15 countries are wrong but what do you want me to do? Say islam is to blame? or are the people in charge of the 15 countries to blame for allowing such laws that were used in past socities to be allowed in the modern era.

 

[MadMageKefka]

I like how everyone ignored my post about carbon dating. Hurr durr science. No evidence.... What a joke.

 

[gamefan5]

I repeated it on purpose. That statement can be applied to any crazy idea. It doesn't mean anything.

Ofc it can. This is why I said on this matter of religion, not on every other ideas.

This creed is mostly applied when there is no proof of something disapproving its existence. Not when something is flat out wrong. (I.E, the existence of a square planet, for example.)

 

[jimbo13]

My point is that the majority do not practice it. We cant change the laws of those 15 countries.

Believe me i wish we could since id rather have life in prision than be stoned to death.

But that is why i agreed to some of the things the user above said about reforming islam. If we could reform islam by abolishing the stoning laws then well that would benefit many.

Regardless of whether their legal in those 15 countries. Answer me this how many a year die via stoning?

I agree that these laws in the 15 countries are wrong but what do you want me to do? Say islam is to blame? or are the people in charge of the 15 countries to blame for allowing such laws that were used in past socities to be allowed in the modern era.

You can't claim it needs to be reformed, while trying to claim a pairity between the rest of the world when it comes to human rights. Your previous posts flat out denied there was any problems to be reformed.

There is no "we" there is THEY need to reform and until they do stay the fuck out of Western civilization.

Lmao.... Christians dont try to force their beliefs on people? Pls. I dont have enough fingers and toes to count how many times they have done that to me personally. And other religions? ...have you seriously never heard of a jahovas witness? They literally go door to door trying to convert people.

You really need to evaluate that word force, offering you a pamphlet is an attempt to persuade. Force is tax, or threaten you violence like they do in Islamic countries.

 

[invaderyoyo]

Ofc it can. This is why I said on this matter of religion, not on every other ideas.

This creed is mostly applied when there is no proof of something disapproving its existence. Not when something is flat out wrong. (I.E, the existence of a square planet, for example.)

Why does religion get special treatment as opposed to other ideas?

 

[MadMageKefka]

You can't claim it needs to be reformed, while trying to claim a pairity between the rest of the world when it comes to human rights. Your previous posts flat out denied there was any problems to be reformed.



You really need to evaluate that word force, offering you a pamphlet is an attempt to persuade. Force is tax, or threaten you violence like they do in Islamic countries.

Bothering me at dinner, at my own house to talk to me about god is not something I appreciate. Nothing a restraining order didnt fix.

 

[Abu_Senpai]

You can't claim it needs to be reformed, while trying to claim a pairity between the rest of the world when it comes to human rights. Your previous posts flat out denied there was any problems to be reformed.



You really need to evaluate that word force, offering you a pamphlet is an attempt to persuade. Force is tax, or threaten you violence like they do in Islamic countries.

there are no problems in the WEST let me clarify.
The middle east needs reformation through abolishimg such laws. Yet again thats not me admitting that all middle easterners rape and stone people since they do not.

That is all

 

[gamefan5]

Why does religion get special treatment as opposed to other ideas?

I don't call it special treatment.
A lot of things in science has been subject to the sentence I mentioned until an evidence of a particular idea was found, where the sentence no longer applies because the proof of said idea completely discourages arguments that flat out counters it. For example: the fact that the Earth is spherical.

A lot of religious ideas in how nature works has been dismissed because of these advancements. Even inside religious communities.

As for a super entity that laid down the law on how nature works, well, there are no proof of it existing, but there are no proof of it not existing.
That is why I don't bother arguing with anyone else about it. Because it always ends off in a stalemate.

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I like how everyone ignored my post about carbon dating. Hurr durr science. No evidence.... What a joke.

I ignored it because it was not relevant on the matter.

Carbon dating? It is a real thing.
Evolution? Hell yeah, it has been proven and it is easy to prove to someone using bacteria, antibiotics and a petri dish.
So what was your point?

 

[Hurtz007]

I think you misunderstand Atheism. It is not a religion and it is not authoritarian (there is no Atheist-Pope... No elected leader of the Atheist movement...)
I would not call myself an atheist... simply because it is no faith. It's simply that I do not have a faith. and why should I? There is absolutely no proof of god.
None, nada. Nobody in their right mind would for example say he Round-Earther... because he does not support the Flat-Earth Theory. That is because the Flat-Earth Theory
is so idiotic that nobody even bothers to dispute it. Same as religion. Why bother to dispute it? It is a load of bullshit.

Who says atheism is a faith also believe the "off"-switch on the TV is another chanel :-)

YAAASSS!!! This is the best expression of my viewpoint on religion I've ever had pleasure to lay my eyes upon!

 

[Deleted-355425]

What's an interesting point is do all religions accept other religions?

 

[Saiyan Lusitano]

Tired of politics and religions getting in the way of everything.

 

[invaderyoyo]

I don't call it special treatment.
A lot of things in science has been subject to the sentence I mentioned until an evidence of a particular idea was found, where the sentence no longer applies because the proof of said idea completely discourages arguments that flat out counters it. For example: the fact that the Earth is spherical.

A lot of religious ideas in how nature works has been dismissed because of these advancements. Even inside religious communities.

As for a super entity that laid down the law on how nature works, well, there are no proof of it existing, but there are no proof of it not existing.
That is why I don't bother arguing with anyone else about it. Because it always ends off in a stalemate.

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I ignored it because it was not relevant on the matter.

Carbon dating? It is a real thing.
Evolution? Hell yeah, it has been proven and it is easy to prove to someone using bacteria, antibiotics and a petri dish.
So what was your point?

No, science is based on observation and experimentation.

People that first assumed the Earth was spherical observed that the masts of ships were visible on the horizon before the rest of the ship. There was evidence.

 

[gamefan5]

No, science is based on observation and experimentation.

People that first assumed the Earth was spherical observed that the masts of ships were visible on the horizon before the rest of the ship. There was evidence.

Indeed that is true. Should have picked an idea that is more challenging to prove as an example. Since even by looking at how days and season work, such an assumption could have been made, I think.

 

[insidexdeath]

You can't claim it needs to be reformed, while trying to claim a pairity between the rest of the world when it comes to human rights. Your previous posts flat out denied there was any problems to be reformed.

There is no "we" there is THEY need to reform and until they do stay the fuck out of Western civilization.

For your information, Christianity was reformed, and the evidence to that are multiple versions of the bible itself. There is far more toleration than there was back in the dark ages. Islam is also currently living its own version of the dark age, and while many of these acts committed under the name of the religion is proven in the Quran and sharia law, many muslims themselves do not necessarily agree with these kind of measures.

The countries you have mentioned (in a previous comment) are living under dictatorship, and the citizens have no choice but to abide by the laws implemented by their authoritarian regimes. In all fairness, most, if not all of the Islamic countries are undemocratic nations. Therefore, their regimes do not necessarily represent their citizens, and neither do their laws. You see they do not have a congress or a parliament to make any amendments, like we do. It is just a one man job in there.

I do see your point though regarding how violence is spreading rapidly. The so called 'respected' Islamic scholars in many Arab countries specifically the ones in the KSA, and Iran do preach violence, and call for it. They make it their aim to enforce their ideology (Wahhabism, and Shism) regardless of the consequences, and they are able to do that, because the governments of these two countries provide full protection to them.

I still stand by what I said. Reformation is necessary, and the sooner the better. The world has endured enough violence from religion, and it is time for everyone to live peacefully regardless of their belief.

 

[insidexdeath]

Hopefully this popcorn I have will last until this thread gets locked.

These irrelevant posts will be the reason why this thread gets locked.