Today, a Madden NFL 19 gaming tournament took place in Jacksonville Florda. Sadly, it appears a shooting occurred at the event, leading to four currently confirmed deaths. One of the competitors, Drini Gjoka claimed that they fled the area, and was grazed by a bullet while the shooter was active. Jacksonville's Police Department have stated that a shooting did happen, but have not explained any further details at this time, while also telling citizens to stay away from The Landing, where the tragedy took place. The tournament was a qualifier event, which was officially backed by EA Sports. At the time of writing, there are a total of 11 victims. A potential suspect was found dead at the scene.

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[Noctosphere]

I will PayPal you the full price of the weapon plus $100 if you purchase a fully automatic weapon in the United States. It's literally illegal to sell automatics in the states. What you're not accounting for is that criminals and crazy people don't follow the law, so any form of excessive regulation only affects law-abiding citizens.

Seriously? I though there was gun and bullet store where they were selling automatic weapons in usa

 

[Delerious]

Maybe someone can tell me why they sell fully automitic weapon to public?
Because obviously, it isnt the problem here
When you know that a 10 years old girl killed her instructor with a uzi when she was in a shooting stand

While it's not illegal, it's very difficult to do. Especially since you're likely to spend over 10k USD just to get one. Also, some state have banned automatic weapons completely. So unless you know the right people, you're not likely going to be able to get a fully automatic weapons very easily, and good luck getting any ammo, as well.

 

[Foxi4]

Seriously? I though there was gun and bullet store where they were selling automatic weapons in usa

There are none. All automatics are heavily scrutinised by the ATF and only a highly select few can own them. Usually they need a pretty good reason to own them as well. You can't just walk into a store and buy a weapon, automatic or not, the process is much more complicated than Hollywood would have you believe.

 

[Noctosphere]

There are none. All automatics are heavily scrutinised by the ATF and only a highly select few can own them. Usually they need a pretty good reason to own them as well. You can't just walk into a store and buy a weapon, automatic or not, the process is much more complicated than Hollywood would have you believe.

Then maybe you can explain me 3d printer?

 

[chrisrlink]

first there's this problem, that as long as people keep sayin' there's evil, there will be shootouts.
it's not there!
it's a state of mind.
if you'll keep sayin' such bullshit you'll make demons around you, you're ignorant to a world around you.

there's multiple kinds of people for doing shootouts.

• teens who got dumped or turned down, doesn't need any better explenation.
• people who don't get enough sleep for a long period of time (so that barking dog in the appartment might actual being responsible).
• people on meds that boost energy for extended time.
• people who're forced in a lifestily like religious or sexual they can't cope (yes this applies to all religion).
• someone who loses someone who's dear to him or her.
• people who're unable to cope when seen or experienced violent acts.
• people without reason to life for, you might think it will heal in time, but sad as it is, even with meds and help some will just not find a way out... there's two ways it could go depending on reason of depression: suicide or killing the rest.
• a cult itself (a religous group that sepperates themselves completely) could lead to such things.
• never being able to be good enough for one of your parents could be enough for a shootout.
• wrong diagnosed psychic condition setting a person on wrong meds.
• a tumor in the brain.

most of these people ar between 12 and 30 years old.
note that each time there's violence used there's a chance that there's a new monster created.
each time you'll give a gun or so to a non adult (or not fully grown in mind) this might mean you'll given the tools for the next shootout.
and no, there's no telling of a state of mind, nor is it possible to always give the treatment to a person in needs.
shootouts will be there, no matter what you do...

but please stop talkin' religious based crap about a situation you don't understand.
just keep it the way it is: you just can't see yourself in such a situation.

most killers didn't see themselves ever come in such a situation, it's just that they lost control.

don't forget of political convictions (because trump is in power some people think it's ok to mass murder muslims or mexicans)

 

[bitjacker]

The nature of war has changed.

I want you to think REALLY hard about what happens in a crowd panic mentality where multiple people (God forbid EVERYONE) have a handgun

Person A draws their weapon and fires
Person B immediately draws their weapon in response with the noble intention of neutralizing Person A
Persons C on, who may not have known where the initial shot came from, draw their weapons and aim them at the nearest person who had their gun up before them and is shooting

See how this might get problematic very quickly?...

That could be the outcome. I guess if im in close enough proximity to some crazy shit I would like to be able to defend my life.

 

[chrisrlink]

Then maybe you can explain me 3d printer?

btw why is it legal to 3d print a gun now? suicide by cop is going to spike over this

 

[Foxi4]

While it's not illegal, it's very difficult to do. Especially since you're likely to spend over 10k USD just to get one. Also, some state have banned automatic weapons completely. So unless you know the right people, you're not likely going to be able to get a fully automatic weapons very easily, and good luck getting any ammo, as well.

Let's be more specific here. In order to own a fully automatic weapon in the United States, it has to be registered with the ATF which holds a registry for all fully automatic weapons. This registry was closed in 1986, which effectively means that no weapon made after 1986 can be registered. Those that are in private hands can be resold at ridiculous prices to collectors provided they pay for a tax stamp from the ATF and complete a rigorous background check. The possession of each automatic is tracked, there's virtually no way to purchase one unless your pockets are incredibly deep and those that are sold are all antiques by any statistical measure. You're not going to buy one in a mall, you're likely not going to buy one if you tried, and claiming otherwise is plain fearmongering.

 

[Xzi]

There are none. All automatics are heavily scrutinised by the ATF and only a highly select few can own them. Usually they need a pretty good reason to own them as well. You can't just walk into a store and buy a weapon, automatic or not, the process is much more complicated than Hollywood would have you believe.

It really isn't complicated at all. To buy a weapon you initial a few things and wait thirty minutes to an hour. Afterward, converting to a fully automatic simply requires the purchase of a bump stock, which is still legal in all but seven states.

Hell, these days you can bypass the purchase altogether and just 3D print an untraceable gun with any firing mode you prefer.

 

[MrCokeacola]

There are none. All automatics are heavily scrutinised by the ATF and only a highly select few can own them. Usually they need a pretty good reason to own them as well. You can't just walk into a store and buy a weapon, automatic or not, the process is much more complicated than Hollywood would have you believe.

So the 1000s of gun reviewers on youtube all had to got though a huge complicated processes to get their guns. Neat.

 

[Foxi4]

Then maybe you can explain me 3d printer?

3D printed guns can't go through 30 rounds without shattering, let alone sustaining automatic fire. You can make illegal modifications to make existing weapons automatic or you could machine certain parts from metal if you wanted to, but the "illegal" part is the important one here. On the subject of 3D prints, they basically invalidate any gun control measures as-is and I don't see how they won't cause a revolution in how we think about guns in the long term.

 

[chrisrlink]

It's time to blame the elephant in the room and do something about it. The common element in the overwhelming majority if not all of these ocurrences. The thing that NEEDS to be banned. Psychotropic drugs.

your kidding right thething that needs to be done is more psychological testing not prison too bad both prisons and mental hospitials are overcrowded

 

[Foxi4]

It really isn't complicated at all. To buy a weapon you initial a few things and wait thirty minutes to an hour. Afterward, converting to a fully automatic simply requires the purchase of a bump stock, which is still legal in all but seven states.

Hell, these days you can bypass the purchase altogether and just 3D print an untraceable gun with any firing mode you prefer.

A bump stock, or even a crank, does not make a weapon automatic - that's a clear misunderstanding of what the word "automatic" means.

So the 1000s of gun reviewers on youtube all had to got though a huge complicated processes to get their guns. Neat.

That's correct.

 

[Noctosphere]

3D printed guns can't go through 30 rounds without shattering, let alone sustaining automatic fire. You can make illegal modifications to make existing weapons automatic or you could machine certain parts from metal if you wanted to, but the "illegal" part is the important one here. On the subject of 3D prints, they basically invalidate any gun control measures as-is and I don't see how they won't cause a revolution in how we think about guns in the long term.

You say 30 rounds, its still a lot when you consider you can print many guns and bring them in an airport without being detected

 

[Foxi4]

You say 30 rounds, its still a lot when you consider you can print many guns and bring them in an airport without being detected

And how would you do that, pray tell? The rounds are still made of metal, y'know. And even if you could, so what? You'll get caught at the first x-ray scanner. I got stopped over a bottle of lemon juice because the bottle vaguely resembled a grenade.

 

[DJPlace]

what the shit.... i bet the asshole did not get his pre-order bonus and said fuck it i'm killing everyone

 

[Delerious]

A bump stock, or even a crank, does not make a weapon automatic - that's a clear misunderstanding of what the word "automatic" means.

It just makes it rapid-fire, right? Also, for those saying that we aren't doing anything about automatic weapons and bump stocks -

Regulatory status in the United States
The ATF ruled in 2010 that bump stocks were not a firearm subject to regulation and allowed their sale as an unregulated firearm part.[5][9][10] In the 2017 Las Vegas shooting, twelve bump fire stock devices were found at the scene.[11] The National Rifle Association stated on 5 October 2017, "Devices designed to allow semi-automatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations", and called on regulators to "immediately review whether these devices comply with federal law".[12] The 2017 shooting generated bipartisan interest in regulating bump stocks.[13] On 4 October 2017 senator Dianne Feinstein introduced a bill to ban bump stocks,[5] but as of November 3, 2017, no Congressional action had resulted. Instead, President Trump instructed the ATF to issue regulations to treat bump stocks as machineguns. A notice of proposed rulemaking was issued by the ATF on March 29, 2018, and opened for public comments.[14]

Sale of bump stocks has been illegal in California since 1990. They were banned in New York with the passage of the NY SAFE Act in 2013. In his final day as governor in January 2018, New Jersey Governor Chris Christie signed legislation making the gun accessory illegal in New Jersey.[15] The device's legal status is unclear in Connecticut, Michigan, Minnesota, Puerto Rico, and Washington, D.C.[16] Massachusetts banned bump stocks after the 2017 Las Vegas shooting.[8]

On February 20, 2018, President Trump proposed regulatory bans on devices, including bump stocks, that "turn weapons into machine guns."[17] The Department of Justice on March 23, 2018 announced a plan to change the regulatory status of bump stocks. The proposed change would classify bump stocks as "machine guns" and effectively ban the devices in the United States under existing federal law.[1] If the rule becomes final, people would be required to destroy or surrender existing devices. The proposal has a 90-day comment period.[2]

On March 9, 2018, after the 2018 Stoneman Douglas High School shooting, the state of Florida enacted SB 7026, which, among other things, banned bump stocks.[18][19] Some parts of the bill took effect immediately, but the portion banning bump stocks takes effect October 1, 2018.[20] Vermont passed a similar law in 2018.[21] Hawaii,[22] Maryland,[23] and Washington[24] followed suit.

Some states that do not ban bump stocks may have localities that ban them, such as Northbrook, Illinois,[25] Boulder, Colorado,[26] etc.

 

[Foxi4]

It just makes it rapid-fire, right? Also, for those saying that we aren't doing anything about automatic weapons and bump stocks -

Extremely inaccurate rapid fire, yes. It negates any aiming capability after the first round due to the nature of how a bump stock works - it's effectively a spring. The force of recoil pushes the weapon backwards into the stock and as the gasses exit the weapon, the spring pushes it back onto your finger, causing a semi-automatic to fire another round. The problem with that is that you're at the mercy of recoil - you're allowing the body of the weapon to fly wherever it pleases as long as it moves back and forth on the axis, so you're spraying and praying. A crank is a little different, it's a turning mechanism that rapidly pulls the trigger, and here you have the opposite problem - the weapon stays firmly on the axis, but the cranking motion moves it up and down, negating accuracy again. They're neat party tricks, but they have no practical use besides wasting ammunition. A fully automatic weapon is capable of loading and discharging rounds automatically without having to pull the trigger multiple times, that's not what a bump stock or a crank provide.

 

[Nitro-Gale]

Shit man... I watched the stream for it on a mirror link. It was enough to make me set down my phone and take a breather.

I could distinctly hear one person in clear agony saying "Oh God, what did you shoot me with?" before more shots were fired.

To think there were possibly young children who may have said their last words on that stream, what the hell has this country come to?

 

[Joe88]

btw why is it legal to 3d print a gun now? suicide by cop is going to spike over this

If we are talking about the thing from a few weeks ago about 3d printed guns with the AR15, what every news organization failed to mention was only the receiver was 3d printed, everything else was made of metal, all parts from an actual gun.
Now 3d printed handguns exist "but" they will pretty much break apart, they have a very short range, and the actual bullet speed, penetrating force is a problem, but they still contain metal, the bullets, the firing pin wont get passed metal detectors or xray machines.

You can make a shotgun out of plumbing supplies and other basic stuff from the hardware store.