Trump administration moves to ban bump stocks

[Xzi]

In a surprising move that will be sure to anger certain gun nuts, the Trump administration is banning bump stocks.

https://www.apnews.com/6c1af80fb290472c89fb930e223505af

The regulation gives gun owners until late March to turn in or destroy the devices. After that, it will be illegal to possess them under the same federal laws that prohibit machine guns.

I gotta give credit where credit is due, and this is perhaps the first and only instance where that's been the case for the Trump administration. Bump stocks don't serve any logical purpose beyond random bullet spray. They certainly aren't useful for hunting or target shooting. A positive move here.

 

[Subtle Demise]

I'll have to do more research, but apparently it's unconstitutional to make things illegal that were legal before. Anyway it doesn't make a difference, you can bump fire without a bump stock anyway:

 

[Xzi]

I'll have to do more research, but apparently it's unconstitutional to make things illegal that were legal before.

That doesn't make much sense. We outlaw stuff that wasn't illegal previously all the time. If it's unconstitutional to make legal things illegal, then we've got a lot of retroactive lawsuits to dole out for the war on drugs.

Anyway it doesn't make a difference, you can bump fire without a bump stock anyway:

You can, but you're not going to get the same full-auto rate of fire out of most weapons using only your finger. Just makes it a faster semi-auto.

 

[Kigiru]

Ayy, that's actualy very reasonable. Automatic weapon has no recreational or self-defense purpose and attachment that can turn non- or semi- automatic weapon into automatic one should be logically in the same category.

 

[the_randomizer]

Automatic weapons are nothing but ways of people compensating for something iMO, I say good riddance.

 

[MadonnaProject]

Haha, americans. Would'nt know a good thing if it hit them in the face. You are so lucky to have probably the greatest president in your history. Someone who is not a bullshitting typical politician spouting meangingless and nothing politically correct garbage. He is as businessman who understands how things are run.

I have american friends and they dont shut up about bad mouthing trump. The ironic thing is these are people who suddenly dont like trump because he is supposedly against women and immigrants. When the same people spent the last 20 years destroying countries and killing countless children.

Oh well, americans. I wish Britain had Trump. We'd get things done.

 

[the_randomizer]

Haha, americans. Would'nt know a good thing if it hit them in the face. You are so lucky to have probably the greatest president in your history. Someone who is not a bullshitting typical politician spouting meangingless and nothing politically correct garbage. He is as businessman who understands how things are run.

I have american friends and they dont shut up about bad mouthing trump. The ironic thing is these are people who suddenly dont like trump because he is supposedly against women and immigrants. When the same people spent the last 20 years destroying countries and killing countless children.

Oh well, americans. I wish Britain had Trump. We'd get things done.

That is the most condescendingly sarcastic post I've seen yet, that's a helluva an achievement. Congrats.

Well, it could be worse, we could have someone like Theresa May.

 

[Xzi]

You are so lucky to have probably the greatest president in your history. Someone who is not a bullshitting typical politician spouting meangingless and nothing politically correct garbage. He is as businessman who understands how things are run.

Pump the breaks there bro. Trump has no idea how legislation or foreign/domestic policy work. One good move does not erase all the negative and/or illegal things he's done as president, and in two years, this administration has only passed one bill through the proper channels.

 

[KingVamp]

Not going to lie, I laughed harder than I should have at the irony.

I was pretty neutral about this, but I'm sure not going to be fighting to get these back.

 

[MadonnaProject]

That is the most condescendingly sarcastic post I've seen yet, that's a helluva an achievement. Congrats.

Well, it could be worse, we could have someone like Theresa May.

We'll take trump off your hands and you lot can go back to t'challa or obama or whatever lol.

 

[the_randomizer]

We'll take trump off your hands and you lot can go back to t'challa or obama or whatever lol.

I'd rather french kiss a rabid homeless person.

 

[Xzi]

We'll take trump off your hands and you lot can go back to t'challa or obama or whatever lol.

Gladly. Any president that spoke in complete sentences was vastly superior to Trump, but then again, he kind of makes even GWB look like a card-carrying member of Mensa by comparison. Watching a country's descent into a corrupt and incompetent banana republic would be a lot easier from afar.

 

[Taleweaver]

I'll have to do more research, but apparently it's unconstitutional to make things illegal that were legal before.

By that logic, most if not all soft drugs are legally protected by the constitution.

Seriously...I doubt it.


I don't have much opinions on bump stocks. At best, it's an incredibly small step in the right direction. GG, Americans. At this pace, it'll take 104'032 years to make your country safer.

 

[SG854]

By that logic, most if not all soft drugs are legally protected by the constitution.

Seriously...I doubt it.


I don't have much opinions on bump stocks. At best, it's an incredibly small step in the right direction. GG, Americans. At this pace, it'll take 104'032 years to make your country safer.

We would have to make the people less violent.

 

[Ryccardo]

Automatic weapon has no recreational [...] purpose

I don't believe this claim if true, as evidenced by... huh, the existence of enthusiasts and the continued manufacture of the currently-questioned accessories

 

[SG854]

By that logic, most if not all soft drugs are legally protected by the constitution.

Seriously...I doubt it.


I don't have much opinions on bump stocks. At best, it's an incredibly small step in the right direction. GG, Americans. At this pace, it'll take 104'032 years to make your country safer.

U.S. isn’t anywhere close the the most dangerous country for mass shootings.

Out of 86 Countries identified in peer reviewed research, U.S. ranks 62nd.

Norway, Finland, Switzerland and Russia are more dangerous then U.S.

 

[Xzi]

I don't believe this claim if true, as evidenced by... huh, the existence of enthusiasts and the continued manufacture of the currently-questioned accessories

Anything is everything is manufactured to order, that doesn't make all of it legal and/or ethical to own.

 

[Ryccardo]

Anything is everything is manufactured to order,

Exactly, that means someone wants them; and since I doubt any significant amount of people buy said accessories to kill better, they are probably doing so for recreational purposes (which include shooting random crap on their private property, collection, ...)

 

[Xzi]

Exactly, that means someone wants them; and since I doubt any significant amount of people buy said accessories to kill better, they are probably doing so for recreational purposes (which include shooting random crap on their private property, collection, ...)

Again, demand for a product doesn't determine the legality or ethical implications of owning that product. When talking about the world-scale, more full auto weapons are likely ordered to conduct illegal wars/slaughter than for any other purpose. There has to be a line, obviously individuals aren't allowed to own operational tanks or missiles. Public safety trumps a frat bro's need to watch a target get completely shredded in seconds. There's always shotguns for that anyway.

U.S. isn’t anywhere close the the most dangerous country for mass shootings.

Out of 86 Countries identified in peer reviewed research, U.S. ranks 62nd.

Norway, Finland, Switzerland and Russia are more dangerous then U.S.

We rank 11th in mass shooting deaths per million citizens.

So who's tops? Surprisingly, Norway is, with an outlier mass shooting death rate of 1.888 per million (high no doubt because of the rifle assault by political extremist Anders Brevik that claimed 77 lives in 2011). No. 2 is Serbia, at just 0.381, followed by France at 0.347, Macedonia at 0.337, and Albania at 0.206. Slovakia, Finland, Belgium, and Czech Republic all follow. Then comes the U.S., at No. 11, with a death rate of 0.089.

https://www.investors.com/politics/...-s-isnt-the-worst-country-for-mass-shootings/

 

[tooknie]

We'll take trump off your hands and you lot can go back to t'challa or obama or whatever lol.

No WE fucking wont.

 

[SG854]

Again, demand for a product doesn't determine the legality or ethical implications of owning that product. When talking about the world-scale, more full auto weapons are likely ordered to conduct illegal wars/slaughter than for any other purpose. There has to be a line, obviously individuals aren't allowed to own operational tanks or missiles. Public safety trumps a frat bro's need to watch a target get completely shredded in seconds. There's always shotguns for that anyway.


We rank 11th in mass shooting deaths per million citizens.



https://www.investors.com/politics/...-s-isnt-the-worst-country-for-mass-shootings/

We ranked 62 per 100,000 out of 86 countries. What you gave me is a different list that has a much smaller amount of countries.

The the guy that did the study that shows us to be crazy in mass shootings that everyone in media uses is undercounted.

And when people ask for his sources, and ask how he did the research, and how he collected data in countries where they speak a different language then he does, he doesn’t provide his data. He just flat out refuses continuously to give that information. He doesn’t even provide his research to strong gun control advocates. It’s a bogus study.

Actual peer reviewed research shows we rank 62 in mass shootings.

 

[Chary]

GWB look like a card-carrying member of Mensa by comparison

You usually make sensible posts, but this is just...you've crossed the line, man! Even in jest, that's just too far!!

Really though, nothing of value has been lost. I'm for this ban, I don't see any reason to have kept it.

 

[SG854]

Again, demand for a product doesn't determine the legality or ethical implications of owning that product. When talking about the world-scale, more full auto weapons are likely ordered to conduct illegal wars/slaughter than for any other purpose. There has to be a line, obviously individuals aren't allowed to own operational tanks or missiles. Public safety trumps a frat bro's need to watch a target get completely shredded in seconds. There's always shotguns for that anyway.


We rank 11th in mass shooting deaths per million citizens.



https://www.investors.com/politics/...-s-isnt-the-worst-country-for-mass-shootings/

Also that link you gave me mentions a study by John Lott. Which is the guy speaking in the video link I gave. And he’s well known in the gun research community for his book “More Guns Less Crime.”

So if your giving me a link about research that guy did and using his data to try to counter my points, then you have to accept that his peer reviewed data research shows we ranked 62 out of 86.