Sony revealed in a post today that the PS5 will be backward compatible with "the overwhelming majority" of PS4 games; meaning over 4000 titles. Some of these will benefit from the PS5's Game Boost feature which could improve the original game with higher or smoother frame rate. The company also confirmed the compatibility of the PlayStation VR headset and PS VR games which will require, in addition to the headset, a PS camera (sold separately from PS5 console) and a PS camera adaptor (no purchase required).

However, the console maker also mentioned limitations regarding this backward compatibility. For one, the post mentions that some functionalities available on the PS4 might not be available on the PS5. Additionally, Sony writes that some PS4 games "may exhibit errors or unexpected behavior when played on PS5 consoles". The company did not clarify which games will be affected by those issues nor what these issues are specifically.

Moreover, Sony did list 10 games which will only be playable on the PS4 and not on its next-gen console. These games will feature a ‘Playable on: PS4 only’ tag on the PlayStation Store. You can find a list of those PS4-only games below:

• DWVR
• Afro Samurai 2 Revenge of Kuma Volume One
• TT Isle of Man - Ride on the Edge 2
• Just Deal With It!
• Shadow Complex Remastered
• Robinson: The Journey
• We Sing
• Hitman Go: Definitive Edition
• Shadwen
• Joe's Diner

You can find more details regarding transferring digital games from a PS4 console to a PS5 console and installing PS4 games on the upcoming console in the official post linked in the source below.

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[Cyan]

from the 10 games list, I own only Robinson.
And I'm not even sure I'll play it, I couldn't complete it on PS4 for the same reason P1ngPong mentioned above (total dizziness) and bugs (game not registering completed mission and not telling you to do next one).


I'm just happy that they didn't change their stance on FREE PS4 camera adapter ! They announced on their past blogs post that it would be free, and it still is. they just need to tell how they will distribute it. Maybe give PSVR serial and a shipping address ?
And I'm happy VR is part of the compatible BC games, I thought VR was part of the 1% incompatibility, but it seems they work fine !


Games will be 70?
Wait, they already are 70-80€ in europe !
They will increase the price for PS5 ? just by the PS4 version and get the free upgrade for PS5 ! (for games with free upgrade. some might need to be purchased)
of course, it'll not be possible for PS5 exclusive, but I'm sure lot of games will be released on BOTH PS4 and PS5 for a while.

Transfer digital games from a PS4 console to a PS5 console

• You can transfer digital games and saved data from a PS4 console to a PS5 console using WiFi data transfer.
• You can access PS4 games on a PS5 console directly from a PS5 extended storage drive.

I'm not sure to understand that one.
PS5 extended storage drive.... is that a HDD or SSD ?
how would we put PS4 games on a PS5 ext ? though wifi ? certainly not by connecting PS5 ext into PS4.
can't we just plug out PS4 extended drive to PS5 instead?

They say you transfer games from PS4 to PS5 "using wifi".
Can't you just download them again from PSN??? and for savegame either PS+ cloud or USB!
Can't you just use direct ethernet connection like I did from PS4 to PS4 Pro?? Why wifi ???

The SHARE menu cannot be displayed during PS4 gameplay on PS5 consoles. You can take screenshots and images by pressing the create button on your DualSense wireless controller to show the create menu. Additionally, you can use the button shortcuts to start/stop video recording or to save screenshots as follows:

• Single press the create (DualSense) or SHARE button (DUALSHOCK4) to show the create menu
• Press and hold the create (DualSense) or SHARE button (DUALSHOCK4) to take a screenshot
• Double press the create (DualSense) or SHARE button (DUALSHOCK4) to start and stop video
recording manually.
• In-Game Live from PlayStation is not supported on PS5 consoles.
• PS5 consoles do not support the PS4 Second Screen app or game companion apps.

No mention to streaming PS4 games to twitch/youtube/etc????
Only video recording, but no "in game Live" streaming ?
Will there be any Streaming feature at all ??? Will PS5 game have streaming feature ? Twitch is lucrative, I don't see any console not having it. It's just too bad if PS4 game couldn't be streamed on PS5...
it would also decide players between Xbox Series or PS5

 

[pedro702]

from the 10 games list, I own only Robinson.
And I'm not even sure I'll play it, I couldn't complete it on PS4 for the same reason P1ngPong mentioned above (total dizziness) and bugs (game not registering completed mission and not telling you to do next one).


I'm just happy that they didn't change their stance on FREE PS4 camera adapter ! They announced on their past blogs post that it would be free, and it still is. they just need to tell how they will distribute it. Maybe give PSVR serial and a shipping address ?
And I'm happy VR is part of the compatible BC games, I thought VR was part of the 1% incompatibility, but it seems they work fine !


Games will be 70?
Wait, they already are 70-80€ in europe !
They will increase the price for PS5 ? just by the PS4 version and get the free upgrade for PS5 ! (for games with free upgrade. some might need to be purchased)
of course, it'll not be possible for PS5 exclusive, but I'm sure lot of games will be released on BOTH PS4 and PS5 for a while.


I'm not sure to understand that one.
PS5 extended storage drive.... is that a HDD or SSD ?
how would we put PS4 games on a PS5 ext ? though wifi ? certainly not by connecting PS5 ext into PS4.
can't we just plug out PS4 extended drive to PS5 instead?

They say you transfer games from PS4 to PS5 "using wifi".
Can't you just download them again from PSN??? and for savegame either PS+ cloud or USB!
Can't you just use direct ethernet connection like I did from PS4 to PS4 Pro?? Why wifi ???

guessing for ps5 digital edition cant read discs and not all games are on psn so the wifi transfer might be what they figured out, you can also stream ps4 games to ps5 so you can use the dualsence i guess, but when streaming you get no boostmode so no idea why anyone would stream ps4 to ps5, unless they want to play those 10 games tough on the ps5.

 

[Cyan]

stream PS4 on PS5 ? you mean while playing ? I missed that part.
you better just plug your PS4 to TV if it has to be powered with no other improvement.

 

[pedro702]

stream PS4 on PS5 ? I missed that part.
you better just plug your PS4 to TV if it has to be powered with no other improvement.

https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2020/10/you_can_use_remote_play_to_stream_ps4_games_to_your_ps5

the only real reason i see this being a thing is you have a ps4 filled with 2tb games and dont want to fill your ps5 due to small ssd size, and both your ps4/ps5 are in different rooms so you can remote play them if you dont care about improvements in bc and dont want to fill your ps5 ssd, and alows you to play the imcompatible games on ps5 aswhell which i think its nice.

also there are games that arent on psn therefore if you own ps5 digital edition you couldnt play them BC at all, so this is a way to play those ps4 games with physical discs on ps5 by streaming from ps4.

 

[MetoMeto]

how about PS3, PS2, PS1 phisical disks? That would be something....i would really consider IT and save my money

 

[D34DL1N3R]

It is 100% with the first Xbox. Just pop in a disc and it works. As for 360, Microsoft took a careful approach due to it being actual emulation on Xbox one.

I would imagine on the new generation there shouldn’t be much limitation when it comes to emulating all 360 games.

Keep in mind that those 360 games are also having enhancements being applied to them at the rendering level. Look up “Heutchy Method”.

It would be interesting if the PS5 could play PS3 games natively but alas that is not even part of the discussion by Sony.

Microsoft added games to the BC list over time, not all at once. Just as Sony has announced would be the case. Also, some games will have enhancements on the PS5 as well.

 

[mightymuffy]

lol what planet are you living? original xbox backwards compatibility is everything but 100% on xbox360 it was only like 43 % of the games and even those were full of glitches, from slowdowns to graphical glitches and original xbox on xbox1 is even worse since there is only 41 games out of over 1000 that the original xbox had, how is that 100%?

Whilst I signed up for Insider just so I could try Mass Effect as soon as (and man, wtf was that...) - it was fixed ...those slowdowns and glitches were only present early on, clearly work hadn't been finished by that time, however this got ironed out very quickly, and there (as far as I know) isn't a single 360 game that performs worse on Xbox One now - more often than not they perform better - and upgrade to a One X (or the new uns) and the games of course run better still. Disappointing about the lack of work on OG games though, true (hell there's a huge amount of 360 games I still want)

 

[pedro702]

Whilst I signed up for Insider just so I could try Mass Effect as soon as (and man, wtf was that...) - it was fixed ...those slowdowns and glitches were only present early on, clearly work hadn't been finished by that time, however this got ironed out very quickly, and there (as far as I know) isn't a single 360 game that performs worse on Xbox One now - more often than not they perform better - and upgrade to a One X (or the new uns) and the games of course run better still. Disappointing about the lack of work on OG games though, true (hell there's a huge amount of 360 games I still want)

he said xbox backwards compatibility was 100% which it isnt, when someone says 100% it just means every game works and as of right now

theres around
27% of all xbox360 titles avalialble
4% of original Xbox titles avaliable.

how is that 100% when you cant even play most 30% of the games on it? but nope according to him just slide a disc in and it just worked lol.

Do remind, all this backwards compat took years to get to here, so i wonder how many more years(if ever) they will pursue more developers to let them recompile there games and put them on backwards compat.(or how many will actually let them do that if they are still around).

 

[mightymuffy]

he said xbox backwards compatibility was 100% which it isnt, when someone says 100% it just means every game works and as of right now

theres around
27% of all xbox360 titles avalialble
4% of original Xbox titles avaliable.

how is that 100% when you cant even play most 30% of the games on it? but nope according to him just slide a disc in and it just worked lol.

Do remind, all this backwards compat took years to get to here, so i wonder how many more years(if ever) they will pursue more developers to let them recompile there games and put them on backwards compat.(or how many will actually let them do that if they are still around).

Obviously I wasn't arguing that, I'm talking about your 43% of 360 games, all with many glitches and slowdowns comments, which is just tosh. Mass Effect and Halo Reach I remember being hilariously bad at first, but as I said, try playing them now....

 

[pedro702]

Obviously I wasn't arguing that, I'm talking about your 43% of 360 games, all with many glitches and slowdowns comments, which is just tosh. Mass Effect and Halo Reach I remember being hilariously bad at first, but as I said, try playing them now....

43% was the original xbox emulated on xbox 360, there is no 43% on xbox one, and xbox emulation on xbox360 is awful still to this day they never made a decent emulator or fixed many gfx or slowdowns, thats what i was referring.

on xbox one backwards compat the maximum you have is only 27%(x360) and 4%(xbox)...

 

[godreborn]

People ridiculed me for being skeptical of claims of 99% compatibility claim leap from 'almost all' top 100 games before MS ate their lunch on BC support... sounds like a backwards compatibility public beta

I think it's gonna be smart to hold onto a ps4 pro for a while if you want to be sure.

that's what I was thinking as well. I distinctly remember them saying top 100 at first. there are even articles that mention that, restating that it's almost all ps4 games (not just the top 100), so obviously sony said it and I didn't misunderstand. sony made the same claims about the vita which turned into a beta for psp games. I do not like Cerny, so it wouldn't surprise me if some games have more than just minor issues.

 

[ut2k4master]

that's what I was thinking as well. I distinctly remember them saying top 100 at first. there are even articles that mention that, restating that it's almost all ps4 games (not just the top 100), so obviously sony said it and I didn't misunderstand. sony made the same claims about the vita which turned into a beta for psp games. I do not like Cerny, so it wouldn't surprise me if some games have more than just minor issues.

you clearly remember wrong, watch the road to ps5 video again and listen to what cerny actually said

 

[godreborn]

you clearly remember wrong, watch the road to ps5 video again and listen to what cerny actually said

Clearly not, because others remember the same thing. Sony must've said it at some point, then backtracked. I mean does the ps4 even have 4000 games?

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Btw, cerny also said North America would have around 100 playable pap games on the vita. We got 9 at launch so he's been known to lie.

 

[ut2k4master]

Clearly not, because others remember the same thing. Sony must've said it at some point, then backtracked. I mean does the ps4 even have 4000 games?

provide a source then, should be easy for you since theyve clearly "mustve said it at some point".
the moment they announced backwards compatibility they talked about the overwhelming majority of games being compatible, having tested the top 100 games by playtime so far and testing thousands more until launch. people just dont listen and only hear what they want to hear. same with you, calling cerny a liar so he must clearly always lie whenever he says something

 

[godreborn]

provide a source then, should be easy for you since theyve clearly "mustve said it at some point".
the moment they announced backwards compatibility they talked about the overwhelming majority of games being compatible, having tested the top 100 games by playtime so far and testing thousands more until launch. people just dont listen and only hear what they want to hear. same with you, calling cerny a liar so he must clearly always lie whenever he says something

Well, that certainly explains your point of view. I can guarantee there's no 4000 ps4 titles. That should already tell you he's exaggerating just to look better compared to the xbox. I don't try to act like I'm buddy buddy with a brand I like.

 

[ut2k4master]

Btw, cerny also said North America would have around 100 playable pap games on the vita. We got 9 at launch so he's been known to lie.

thats a lie, there were hundreds available at launch

 

[godreborn]

Like I said, it's semantics. "At launch" is the key.

 

[ut2k4master]

Like I said, it's semantics. "At launch" is the key.

at launch meaning day 1, no semantics

 

[godreborn]

That doesn't mean all 4000 will be playable at launch. Like I said, why would you give the lead engineer of the vita any credibility? I read that the ps4 bc is a day 1 update. It doesn't work without the update so goodbye to software version 1.00. This was mentioned on one of Sony's European websites

 

[ut2k4master]

That doesn't mean all 4000 will be playable at launch. Like I said, why would you give the lead engineer of the vita any credibility? I read that the ps4 bc is a day 1 update. It doesn't work without the update so goodbye to software version 1.00. This was mentioned on one of Sony's European websites

what does it matter if its requiring a day 1 update? the xbox does too. and yes, it does mean all of those will be playable day 1. if theres a person to give credibility its the lead engineer of a platform, including ps4 and ps5