The situation in Ukraine...

[UnderJinx]

Fucking Russians now forcing Ukraines to get Russian pasport. BASTARDS

 

[UnderJinx]

Russia will probably never have a normal relation with the rest of the world
Maybe with China though

 

[Deleted member 194275]

Russia will probably never have a normal relation with the rest of the world
Maybe with China though

Eventually they will, the international community have a very short memory. Not that I like it, but things are what they are.

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

Thieving oligarchs are not your friends and never will be.

I am not defending oligarchs but explaining the view of at least 100mio Russians. I.e. that Ukraine should be neutral and not have American troops on its soil. This is in fact the majority view in Russia (which you do not accept or blame on oppression; making you a bigot: everyone is oppressed until they think like I do).

There is nothing shameful about being neutral. It allows for good relationships between larger countries and break-away states. Neutrality was in fact part of the Ukrainian institution. Something the Western media does not like to mention. Instead it creates documentaries like "Suddenly (there was) War".

See Taiwan: By acknowledging that they are China, Taiwan can a have large degree of autonomy. Autonomous regions are often the result of a compromise (see Chechniya in Russia). The two Donbass oblasts would have accepted an autonomous status within Ukraine.

 

[JoeBloggs777]

There is nothing shameful about being neutral. It allows for good relationships between larger countries and break-away states. Neutrality was in fact part of the Ukrainian institution. Something the Western media does not like to mention. Instead it creates documentaries like "Suddenly (there was) War".

See Taiwan: By acknowledging that they are China, Taiwan can a have large degree of autonomy. Autonomous regions are often the result of a compromise (see Chechniya in Russia). The two Donbass oblasts would have accepted an autonomous status within Ukraine.

good you don't mind being neutral, I Believe Russia should be forced to being neutral to act as a buffer zone between Europe and China. The biggest threat to the West is not little Russia but China.

good relationships between Russia and Ukraine or China and Twain that's never going to happen.

China warns Taiwan independence would trigger war​

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-61768875

 

[Deleted member 194275]

good you don't mind being neutral, I Believe Russia should be forced to being neutral to act as a buffer zone between Europe and China. The biggest threat to the West is not little Russia but China.

good relationships between Russia and Ukraine or China and Twain that's never going to happen.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-61768875

Not even the USA has the balls to declare Taiwan independent.

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

good you don't mind being neutral, I Believe Russia should be forced to being neutral to act as a buffer zone between Europe and China. The biggest threat to the West is not little Russia but China.

good relationships between Russia and Ukraine or China and Twain that's never going to happen.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-61768875

China is not a threat. A threat to what? China has never attacked Europe. It was the other way around.
Russia has never been part of China and is too big as a buffer zone. But if they dramatically shrank in size (which is the wish of Western elites), it would be wise not to ally with either side. An intelligent "buffer zone country" takes advantage of both sides. Ukraine without the Russian market or gas transit would be even poorer than they were prior to 2014. But they didn´t think that far ahead.

 

[JoeBloggs777]

China is not a threat. A threat to what? China has never attacked Europe. It was the other way around.
Russia has never been part of China and is too big as a buffer zone. But if they dramatically shrank in size (which is the wish of Western elites), it would be wise not to ally with either side. An intelligent "buffer zone country" takes advantage of both sides. Ukraine without the Russian market or gas transit would be even poorer than they were prior to 2014. But they didn´t think that far ahead.

China is not a threat ?, do you know what the '9 dash line' is ? China is the biggest threat to peace in the South China sea, if WW3 ever starts it will probably start there.

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

China is not a threat ?, do you know what the '9 dash line' is ? China is the biggest threat to peace in the South China sea, if WW3 ever starts it will probably start there.

Last time I checked Europe is not located in the South China sea. It is only a threat if the West wants to provoke China.
There are disputes between France and UK regarding fishing rights.
Should China view this as a threat and send some war ships?
Perhaps China should fight for the independence of Scotland or Northern Island and defend their fishing rights. Why can´t regional conflicts stay regional? Because of the Western mindset of world domination.

 

[Xzi]

I am not defending oligarchs but explaining the view of at least 100mio Russians.

Wrong, you're explaining the view of the maybe two Russians you've met in your lifetime. The rest of their supporters you're just assuming exist because the Kremlin says they do.

I.e. that Ukraine should be neutral and not have American troops on its soil.

Ukraine is a sovereign nation that's free to host whoever they damn well please. Which is totally irrelevant anyway, since Putin has admitted the invasion was all about expanding Russian territory. It'd be like the US trying to make Iraq and Afghanistan the 51st and 52nd states.

There is nothing shameful about being neutral.

There is plenty shameful about invading a neighboring country that was guilty only of minding their own goddamn business.

See Taiwan: By acknowledging that they are China, Taiwan can a have large degree of autonomy. Autonomous regions are often the result of a compromise (see Chechniya in Russia). The two Donbass oblasts would have accepted an autonomous status within Ukraine.

"Slavery is freedom, just trust me bro."

 

[JoeBloggs777]

Last time I checked Europe is not located in the South China sea. It is only a threat if the West wants to provoke China.
There are disputes between France and UK regarding fishing rights.
Should China view this as a threat and send some war ships?
Perhaps China should fight for the independence of Scotland or Northern Island and defend their fishing rights. Why can´t regional conflicts stay regional? Because of the Western mindset of world domination.

It's a lot more than fishing rights, the Chinese have built military bases on islands that belong to the Philippines and they think that they own virtually all of the South China sea.

Well the Chinese have their hands full at the moment with 'dispute's' with 17 other countries to go and help the Scots ad Irish.

https://www.theweek.co.uk/news/world-news/china/955728/all-countries-china-territory-disputes

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

It's a lot more than fishing rights, the Chinese have built military bases on islands that belong to the Philippines and they think that they own virtually all of the South China sea.

That you believe belong to the Philippines. Let them sort it out.

Well the Chinese have their hands full at the moment with 'dispute's' with 17 other countries to go and help the Scots ad Irish.

It would be ridiculous for China to get involved in European territory affairs. But somehow Europeans think they stick their noses into East Asian matters. This is actual white supremacy (not the stuff discussed in the US)

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

Wrong, you're explaining the view of the maybe two Russians you've met in your lifetime. The rest of their supporters you're just assuming exist because the Kremlin says they do.

I´ve got Russian citizenship (among others). I think I know a few more than you.

Ukraine is a sovereign nation that's free to host whoever they damn well please. Which is totally irrelevant anyway, since Putin has admitted the invasion was all about expanding Russian territory. It'd be like the US trying to make Iraq and Afghanistan the 51st and 52nd states.

No, it would be like the US trying to make Canada part of the US after Canada attempts to host the Chinese military and join a Chinese military alliance.

 

[Xzi]

I´ve got Russian citizenship (among others).

No, it would be like the US trying to make Canada part of the US after Canada attempts to host the Chinese military and join a Chinese military alliance.

Canada is already part of a military alliance with the US. Gee, I wonder why Ukraine wouldn't want to enter into a military alliance with their neighboring country threatening invasion instead of turning elsewhere for protection?

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

Canada is already part of a military alliance with the US. Gee, I wonder why Ukraine wouldn't want to enter into a military alliance with their neighboring country threatening invasion instead of turning elsewhere for protection?

And Ukraine was in a military alliance with Russia. It was called the Russian Empire and Soviet Union. Use your imagination: What if the US-Canada relations worsen one day.
The US would never allow the Chinese military in Canada. You know and I know it. If Canada proceeded with it anyway, we could call it unfair but it would be predictably a foolish decision.

I could upload documents proving my Russian citizenship but I don´t care whether you believe me. Most people are hill billies compared to me.

 

[Xzi]

And Ukraine was in a military alliance with Russia. It was called the Russian Empire and Soviet Union.

And every continent was once a single one called Pangaea. That doesn't excuse imperialist war crimes and attempted genocide, sorry.

Use your imagination: What if the US-Canada relations worsen one day.
The US would never allow the Chinese military in Canada. You know and I know it. If Canada proceeded with it anyway, we could call it unfair but it would be predictably a foolish decision.

This is still whataboutism FYI, just focused on future hypothetical events now. Invading Canada under such circumstances that they felt threatened by the US and were seeking outside protection would be wrong. Doubly wrong would be attempting to occupy Canada for any period of time. Happy? Either all imperialism is evil, or none of it is. I'm arguing that all of it is, so which side does that put you on?

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

Either all imperialism is evil, or none of it is. I'm arguing that all of it is, so which side does that put you on?

US troops in Ukraine is imperialism as well as the Russian invasion.
The invasion was a reaction to the former.

"Doubly wrong would be attempting to occupy Canada for any period of time."
Yeah, like occupying the Syrian oil fields. But the European countries do not sanction the US over it - how could they sanction the empire (the empire sanctions them).

 

[Deleted member 194275]

US troops in Ukraine is imperialism as well as the Russian invasion.
The invasion was a reaction to the former.

"Doubly wrong would be attempting to occupy Canada for any period of time."
Yeah, like occupying the Syrian oil fields. But the European countries do not sanction the US over it - how could they sanction the empire (the empire sanctions them).

Many nations has the right to point their fingers to USA and shout against their violent imperialism.

Russian is not one of that nations. Russia is imperialist since it's foundation, and right now in Ukraine is doing the same thing big nations did everywhere in the XIX century. Unacceptable.

 

[KuntilanakMerah]

Many nations has the right to point their fingers to USA and shout against their violent imperialism.

Russian is not one of that nations. Russia is imperialist since it's foundation, and right now in Ukraine is doing the same thing big nations did everywhere in the XIX century. Unacceptable.

lol do you think that usa is not imperialist since it's foundation, they killed native american but they called themselves as a justice, you must be joking

 

[Deleted member 194275]

lol do you think that usa is not imperialist since it's foundation, they killed native american but they called themselves as a justice, you must be joking

USA is extremely imperialist, but Russia can't complain, because it is too. That's what I meant.