The situation in Ukraine...

[KuntilanakMerah]

if Nato is disbanded alongside USSR then this whole event would not be happen, the fact is USA keep Nato to watch over entire Europe, Mother Russia feel threatened if NATO forces come close to their border

 

[JoeBloggs777]

if Nato is disbanded alongside USSR then this whole event would not be happen, the fact is USA keep Nato to watch over entire Europe, Mother Russia feel threatened if NATO forces come close to their border

first Putin said the unprovoked invasion was to fight Nazi's , then it was Nato's fault because a sovereign country wanted to join and finally Putin admitted it was a land grab, he sees himself as Putin the great


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61767191

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

first Putin said the unprovoked invasion was to fight Nazi's , then it was Nato's fault because a sovereign country wanted to join and finally Putin admitted it was a land grab, he sees himself as Putin the great

A robber can commit his crime due to a lack of money, jealusy, lack of empathy or any other reason at the same time. The same is true for good deeds. The view that Crimea and Donbass are Russian territory has been shared since 2014 at least.

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

The Mexican president has said that the war could have been avoided. He called the Western strategy immoral: “I’ll supply the weapons, and you supply the dead.”

He is not wrong.
Let´s not forget that countries like Germany accept refugees from Eritrea who want to dodge the brutal military service over there. Yet, they have no problem with Ukraine sending potentially millions of men to their deaths. Suddenly, Western elites do know what men and women are.
The West is treating Ukrainians worse than the Kurds. At least they got air support.

 

[JoeBloggs777]

The Mexican president has said that the war could have been avoided. He called the Western strategy immoral: “I’ll supply the weapons, and you supply the dead.”

you missed this bit out

In March, a half-dozen legislators from López Obrador’s Morena party helped create a congressional “Mexico-Russia Friendship Committee.”

Putin has one friend

 

[UnderJinx]

Now Ukraine is soon to be invited in EU membership
https://www.france24.com/en/live-ne...raine-membership-bid-in-trip-to-war-torn-kyiv

 

[JoeBloggs777]

This shows sanctions are starting to work, read the whole thread on Twitter.

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[Xzi]

US troops in Ukraine is imperialism as well as the Russian invasion.

Even in yet another hypothetical scenario you're incorrect, Ukraine willingly hosting US troops would not be imperialism.

The invasion was a reaction to the former.

No, the invasion happened because Putin is an evil, greedy cunt. He admits it, why can't you? Oh right, because in your mind it doesn't count when it's an Eastern country doing it. Never mind the fact that Putin is the equivelant of what would happen if Dick Cheney was president for life.

Yeah, like occupying the Syrian oil fields. But the European countries do not sanction the US over it - how could they sanction the empire (the empire sanctions them).

Europe does have the power to take meaningful action against the US if they so choose, and in many cases I'd support it. Again: all imperialism bad, this isn't complicated. You'd be rightly infuriated if the US invaded and tried to occupy Mexico, so get just as angry about Russia invading its neighbor.

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

Even in yet another hypothetical scenario you're incorrect, Ukraine willingly hosting US troops would not be imperialism.

If you cannot call the strongest military country with hundreds of bases around the world an empire, then what is? You know that "imperialism" is related to the word empire, right? Empire is not a negative word. Imperialism is what empires do. They send troops. The Swiss historian Ganser referred to a simple test: Are Afghan soldiers roaming around in Washington or are/were American soldiers in Kabul? With regards to Ukraine you might say that Ukraine would invite US troops. Sure, by a government that came to power after a coup which caused separatism. If China had hundreds of bases around the world you´d call it imperialism regardless of what international governments think. Years ago the Iraqi government democratically voted for the US to leave after it had - as empires do - assassinated an Iranian leader. Did the US care? No. An Iraqi goverment which came to power after an US invasion btw.

No, the invasion happened because Putin is an evil, greedy cunt. He admits it, why can't you? Oh right, because in your mind it doesn't count when it's an Eastern country doing it. Never mind the fact that Putin is the equivelant of what would happen if Dick Cheney was president for life.

Even dictators (which Putin is not, but you´d call him that) cannot ignore the will of the people (at least not for long; e.g. Hitler could not have done what he did whithout the will of the people). There would have been no support for an invasion if there had been no provocation (i.e. NATO membership) by Ukraine. NATO is not just a de-facto offensive alliance, it is specifically anti-Russian. Imagine Canada joining an anti-US alliance, Austria an anti-German alliance or small islands around Australia joining... oh wait we almost got a light version of that and what was the reaction? *Solomon island cough cough*

Europe does have the power to take meaningful action against the US if they so choose, and in many cases I'd support it. Again: all imperialism bad, this isn't complicated. You'd be rightly infuriated if the US invaded and tried to occupy Mexico, so get just as angry about Russia invading its neighbor.

None of my business. Don´t assume things about me.
I am consistent, you are not.
If Mexico wanted to join a Russian (i.e. anti-US) military alliance, I´d oppose that. Because I don´t want to die in a nuclear war. That´s just how selfish I am.

 

[KuntilanakMerah]

yeah i rather want to see canadian stole us president wife than nuclear war

 

[Xzi]

If you cannot call the strongest military country with hundreds of bases around the world an empire, then what is? You know that "imperialism" is related to the word empire, right? Empire is not a negative word. Imperialism is what empires do. They send troops. The Swiss historian Ganser referred to a simple test: Are Afghan soldiers roaming around in Washington or are/were American soldiers in Kabul? With regards to Ukraine you might say that Ukraine would invite US troops. Sure, by a government that came to power after a coup which caused separatism. If China had hundreds of bases around the world you´d call it imperialism regardless of what international governments think. Years ago the Iraqi government democratically voted for the US to leave after it had - as empires do - assassinated an Iranian leader. Did the US care? No. An Iraqi goverment which came to power after an US invasion btw.

That's a whole lot of typing simply to end up admitting you're okay with imperialism. "Just what empires do" is your poorest attempt to excuse it away so far. It's a useless remnant of the past, just like Putin and any other boomer desperately clinging to power.

Even dictators (which Putin is not, but you´d call him that) cannot ignore the will of the people

Of course they can, Putin has total control over the media and thus controls many Russians' opinions about any given issue.

NATO is not just a de-facto offensive alliance, it is specifically anti-Russian.

Back to going in circles again. NATO was ten excuses ago, and I've already posted a link which quotes Putin on the true reason for the invasion.

None of my business. Don´t assume things about me.
I am consistent, you are not.

The only thing you're consistent about is your hypocrisy. You're arguing that modern Eastern imperialism is perfectly acceptable because Western nations have also engaged in it. Sorry to break it to you, but two wrongs don't make a right. If you're going to voice support for an invasion which has included any number of attacks on schools, hospitals, and civilians just trying to live their lives, you may as well fess up to being an amoral sociopath too.

 

[Dark_Phoras]

This shows sanctions are starting to work, read the whole thread on Twitter.

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I think this is a report of some connections between Russia and other european countries that go beyond cereals and oil. The severance of these connections in response to the war is straining all parties, it will undoubtedly reshape our economies and we're currently through a complicated period of adaptation. There are european lobbies that pressure Ukraine to surrender parts of their territory to Russia, as well as concede to other russian demands, in order to stop the war and cut losses. The same is happening in Russia, even though there's an authoritarian government that doesn't allow dissent.

A good thing coming from this is the acceleration of the transition to clean energy and transport in Europe.

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

That's a whole lot of typing simply to end up admitting you're okay with imperialism. "Just what empires do" is your poorest attempt to excuse it away so far. It's a useless remnant of the past, just like Putin and any other boomer desperately clinging to power.

I have never endorsed the Russian invasion/war. I have refuted your claim about US imperialism.

Of course they can, Putin has total control over the media and thus controls many Russians' opinions about any given issue.

Russians are better informed than Americans, though I know far fewer Americans personally. I know most of them through discussions like these. Even in the Soviet Union (when there was no Telegram App) people knew about government propaganda. Here were are again at your bigoted view that Russians need you as their savior. Does it help your ego?

Back to going in circles again. NATO was ten excuses ago, and I've already posted a link which quotes Putin on the true reason for the invasion.

I already said there can be many reasons simultaneously. He compared himself to Peter the Great in reference to restoring lost territory. That is imperialism, but I´d prefer this sort of imperialism compared to Iraq war imperialism.

The only thing you're consistent about is your hypocrisy. You're arguing that modern Eastern imperialism is perfectly acceptable because Western nations have also engaged in it. Sorry to break it to you, but two wrongs don't make a right. If you're going to voice support for an invasion which has included any number of attacks on schools, hospitals, and civilians just trying to live their lives, you may as well fess up to being an amoral sociopath too.

I have not called it "perfectly acceptable". I have not even called it acceptable. Don´t put words in my mouth. It does not concern me. I am not willing to suffer for it.
Why the hell should Papua New Ginea care about the details of the Russian-Ukrainian border? Why should Argentina care whether Japan gets its islands back?
It is American supremacism which causes brain cells in your body to malfunction and utter the nonsense you are stating. If there is a dispute between the US and Canada about some snowy hills, I don´t care. It only concerns me if there is a potential for nuclear escalation. I have been consistent about this. You have dodged questions about consistency.

 

[Xzi]

I have never endorsed the Russian invasion/war. I have refuted your claim about US imperialism.

The only claim I've made about US imperialism is that it's bad. Meanwhile, your claim is that Ukraine temporarily and willing hosting US troops in a hypothetical scenario that never occurred, would be akin to imperialism. Which is just plain ridiculous as long as words continue to have set meanings. You're arguing from Putin's point of view that such a meeting would feel like imperialism to him, but that's ultimately irrelevant to objective reality.

Russians are better informed than Americans, though I know far fewer Americans personally.

This isn't a competition. There are plenty of ignorant Americans, I'll grant you that. It's just that we'd be even more ignorant on average if a small group of people within government controlled all our media. It's bad enough that a handful of individuals in the private sector already do.

Here were are again at your bigoted view that Russians need you as their savior. Does it help your ego?

I can't save anybody from their own ignorance or desire to believe in propaganda, nor did I imply I wanted to. They have to find their own way out from that hole.

That is imperialism, but I´d prefer this sort of imperialism compared to Iraq war imperialism.

There is no "good" form of imperialism, and if the US had tried to permanently occupy Iraq as Russia is trying to do with Ukraine, that would've been far more disastrous than our eventual exit.

It does not concern me.

Were that true you wouldn't have bothered posting in this thread at all. Instead I can only surmise that you're towing the CCP party line here because you know what Putin is doing is devastating for both Ukraine and Russia, but good in the long run for China.

 

[KuntilanakMerah]

why you're afraid to China, China is peaceful country not like US, they help the worlds gain affordable goods/tools

 

[KuntilanakMerah]

This is A Sign
LOL

 

[Deleted member 194275]

why you're afraid to China, China is peaceful country not like US, they help the worlds gain affordable goods/tools

I just know my region, but judging for my region (that is Latin America), USA have done absurd damages to our integration, democracies, societies and economy. While Chinese bad interventions are usually just trade competition, nothing to damaging.

That said, USA is awesome to its citizens in a consistent basis (it is bellow Europe now, but still in a high level), China can't be proud of that, so we can't just say China is better, because it is not that simple.

In the end the future world will be better with no ruling nation, and not with another ruling nation.

PS.: A guy falling of a bike is sign of nothing.

 

[JoeBloggs777]

why you're afraid to China, China is peaceful country not like US, they help the worlds gain affordable goods/tools

China has built military bases on Islands that belong to the Philippines

All the countries in which China claims territory​

Beijing is engaged in disputes with 17 nations over land and sea borders​

https://www.theweek.co.uk/news/world-news/china/955728/all-countries-china-territory-disputes

 

[Dark_Phoras]

This is A Sign
LOL

A sign of what?

 

[Deleted member 194275]

A sign of what?

It's a sign that Biden has scratched his knees, nothing else.