Do you feel the USA is better now than it was 22 years ago?

[LainaGabranth]

Seeing how the US is among the countries with the highest incarceration rates in the world, then there's something really wrong fundamentaly

Especially given how we use our imprisoned for unpaid slave labor with zero repercussions for doing so.

 

[TraderPatTX]

Your posts are pretty politically illiterate but this is a new level of brainlessness even for you. Like, the kind of moronic shit I'd expect from Libertarians, not conservatives.

Democrats doing so would get their own party stamped out, dipshit. So that's obviously not their motive. Democrats are not these suicidal secret fascists who would willingly destroy their own party just to put their opponents in power. There's plenty of people in the party now to contradict that just by existing, like the Squad for example.

Literally the most delusional post in this thread.

Until you make another one, that is.

Our political "elites" are always trying to create "events" so they can pass laws to take away our rights. There is enough history that you can look to that proves my point. You remember the Patriot Act? That pretty much did away with the 4th Amendment. The same with these mass shootings. Every time they happen, they try and pass gun control, just like clockwork. It's really so obvious, I would think even you could notice it.

Not sure if you noticed, but the riots in 2020 did not hamper the Dems electoral outcome. Last I checked, they "won" the presidency and both the House and Senate. So yes, they would love another "Summer of Love" and Covid to prepare for the 2022 midterms.

 

[LainaGabranth]

Our political "elites" are always trying to create "events" so they can pass laws to take away our rights. There is enough history that you can look to that proves my point. You remember the Patriot Act? That pretty much did away with the 4th Amendment. The same with these mass shootings. Every time they happen, they try and pass gun control, just like clockwork. It's really so obvious, I would think even you could notice it.

Not sure if you noticed, but the riots in 2020 did not hamper the Dems electoral outcome. Last I checked, they "won" the presidency and both the House and Senate. So yes, they would love another "Summer of Love" and Covid to prepare for the 2022 midterms.

So your narrative flipped. Now it's to get dems elected? You should be more consistent.

 

[TraderPatTX]

So your narrative flipped. Now it's to get dems elected? You should be more consistent.

I said that from the beginning. Maybe you should read slower to help you understand.

 

[LainaGabranth]

I said that from the beginning. Maybe you should read slower to help you understand.

Yes but the problem is that it's inconsistent with the dems' actual messaging. So what we have are two narratives, which is the real one, Dems going "oh no, something bad happened, give us money so we can do nothing about it!!!" and your delusional fantasy narrative, which is that the dems are all evil and are trying to take over the country.

Remember, only one party attacked the white house on jan 6th, and it wasn't centrists, leftists, or liberals.

 

[TraderPatTX]

Yes but the problem is that it's inconsistent with the dems' actual messaging. So what we have are two narratives, which is the real one, Dems going "oh no, something bad happened, give us money so we can do nothing about it!!!" and your delusional fantasy narrative, which is that the dems are all evil and are trying to take over the country.

Remember, only one party attacked the white house on jan 6th, and it wasn't centrists, leftists, or liberals.

The White House was attacked in June 2020 by a leftist mob. You can't even get your facts straight and you call me delusional.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/02/trump-washington-walk-to-the-church-photo-op

 

[LainaGabranth]

The White House was attacked in June 2020 by a leftist mob. You can't even get your facts straight and you call me delusional.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/02/trump-washington-walk-to-the-church-photo-op

No it wasn't, there's a line between protesting outside something and then breaching inside of it to overturn an election. Try harder.

 

[TraderPatTX]

No it wasn't, there's a line between protesting outside something and then breaching inside of it to overturn an election. Try harder.

That's because the DC police actually did their job and dispersed the crowd with tear gas.

 

[LainaGabranth]

That's because the DC police actually did their job and dispersed the crowd with tear gas.

hmm

 

[TraderPatTX]

hmm

Remember the bad orange man requested National Guard troops and was denied by Nancy Pelosi. It could have been prevented, but the uniparty needed an event to attack Trump.

 

[Dark_Phoras]

Wait, I watched the live feed of that protest in June 2020. There were a lot of teens and people dressed like they went for a walk in the park, they were just making themselves present, and the security forces suddenly barged in, threw tear gas, forced people away. I couldn't believe what I was watching. Anyone can go and check that it wasn't an attack by the protesters.

 

[TraderPatTX]

Wait, I watched the live feed of that protest in June 2020. There were a lot of teens and people dressed like they went for a walk in the park, they were just making themselves present, and the security forces suddenly barged in, threw tear gas, forced people away. I couldn't believe what I was watching. Anyone can go and check that it wasn't an attack by the protesters.

A walk in the park doesn't end up with 60 Secret Service agents injured or in the hospital.

https://edition.cnn.com/us/live-new...s-05-31-20/h_cb459ab077b164295d8d61d80987e3fb

 

[Deleted member 559230]

I believe certain aspects have gotten worse and certain aspects have gotten better. What's worse? Liberals. They are anti-freedom and want to burn our current Constitution and replace it with a form of Government that has a track record of always failing. They think they're thinking on their own, but they are just buying into the programming from our enemies that would divide and conquer. Their entire agenda is to disturb the current system so things that would disturb it like claiming males and transition into females or that all drugs should be legalized or the police should be de-funded are examples of things that will destroy our great nation. They are simple minded puppets and its sad that they want to ruin the great system we have now and replace it with something that will fail. The economy is also shit, gas prices are way too high and goods and services cost too much due to these factors.

What's better? Technology is maturing, we have half of the country that believes in freedom of speech and the rights guaranteed to us in the Constitution. The leftist wackos haven't been able to convince 167,489,370 citizens to buy their bullshit and these citizens are productive, they work, they vote, they have families with two parents, they believe in freedom and are against the Liberal agenda and hopefully now that we see the results of Democratic leadership that our upcoming elections will rid us of their pestilence.

So yeah, that's it. The woke garbage is by design created to destroy what we have now. Capitalism isn't at some "end state" or hasn't failed, that's just what our enemies want you to believe.

 

[LainaGabranth]

Are uh, are these "liberal wokeists" in the room with us now?

 

[Dark_Phoras]

A walk in the park doesn't end up with 60 Secret Service agents injured or in the hospital.

https://edition.cnn.com/us/live-new...s-05-31-20/h_cb459ab077b164295d8d61d80987e3fb

We were talking about a protest in June 2nd, in a specific place. Not a string of protests near the area between May 29th and 31st. And in that same article:

"Eleven Secret Service employees were transported to the hospital with non-life threatening injuries. The Secret Service said no one crossed the White House fence and no one being protected was ever in danger."

Are you really this mischievous to the point that not even basic facts like the date, location and registered events matter for your argument? You just feel like saying "these people attacked the President's home in this date" and, when rebutted, answer with an article "Security officers were slightly injured by objects thrown in the vicinity the previous week, but no attempt was made to attack individuals or to enter the President's home".

And let's not forget how much the security forces attacked not only protestors, but people on the street during these weeks through the country. Nevermind the fact that the protests were a reaction to security forces killing civilians that weren't resisting.

 

[TraderPatTX]

We were talking about a protest in June 2nd, in a specific place. Not a string of protests near the area between May 29th and 31st. And in that same article:

"Eleven Secret Service employees were transported to the hospital with non-life threatening injuries. The Secret Service said no one crossed the White House fence and no one being protected was ever in danger."

Are you really this mischievous to the point that not even basic facts like the date, location and registered events matter for your argument? You just feel like saying "these people attacked the President's home in this date" and, when rebutted, answer with an article "Security officers were slightly injured by objects thrown in the vicinity the previous week, but no attempt was made to attack individuals or to enter the President's home".

And let's not forget how much the security forces attacked not only protestors, but people on the street during these weeks through the country. Nevermind the fact that the protests were a reaction to security forces killing civilians that weren't resisting.

You can justify riots all you want. They are still riots and they are still illegal. If you are breaking the law, expect law enforcement to come and get in your face.

 

[Dark_Phoras]

You can justify riots all you want. They are still riots and they are still illegal. If you are breaking the law, expect law enforcement to come and get in your face.

You seem like you write with the purpose to state one position just so that your side has an opposing point to make. True or false, it doesn't matter.

 

[TraderPatTX]

You seem like you write with the purpose to state one position just so that your side has an opposing point to make. True or false, it doesn't matter.

Highlight the part that is false.

 

[Lacius]

Highlight the part that is false.

Law enforcement isn't applied equally, and different people should have different expectations regarding law enforcement. It's kind of the whole point of BLM.

BLM is a generally peaceful protest movement, and regardless of whether or not we condone things done during BLM protests, the message behind BLM is something we should all agree with. Conversely, the message behind the January 6 protests was one of rejecting democracy and overturning an election, and there's plenty of evidence that the January 6 riots were purposeful and instigated by those spearheading the Big Lie. From their foundations to their executions, the two aren't comparable.

 

[LainaGabranth]

We were talking about a protest in June 2nd, in a specific place. Not a string of protests near the area between May 29th and 31st. And in that same article:

"Eleven Secret Service employees were transported to the hospital with non-life threatening injuries. The Secret Service said no one crossed the White House fence and no one being protected was ever in danger."

Are you really this mischievous to the point that not even basic facts like the date, location and registered events matter for your argument? You just feel like saying "these people attacked the President's home in this date" and, when rebutted, answer with an article "Security officers were slightly injured by objects thrown in the vicinity the previous week, but no attempt was made to attack individuals or to enter the President's home".

And let's not forget how much the security forces attacked not only protestors, but people on the street during these weeks through the country. Nevermind the fact that the protests were a reaction to security forces killing civilians that weren't resisting.

random fun fact: hate crimes rose significantly during Trump's term, especially against asian americans in 2020.

It is thus, fair to assume, that there is a significant problem in this country with the right's rhetoric.