13 Russians, 3 businesses indicted by Mueller/Rosenstein in connection to Trump

[KingVamp]

Well, this is happening.

 

[GBAer]

Trump is Netanyahu's bitch... not Putin's... FACT!

 

[Xzi]

Trump is Netanyahu's bitch... not Putin's... FACT!

It can be both. Trump sucks off any dictator-type figure.

 

[GBAer]

It can be both. Trump sucks off any dictator-type figure.

Only Netanyahu I'm afraid.

 

[Viri]

Well, this is happening.

They're going to be out there for a looooong time.

 

[Song of storms]

I still don't know why it's so much of a big deal? It's not like they changed the votes, they just did what the most radicals liberals did for months and still do, just the other way around?

 

[GBAer]

I still don't know why it's so much of a big deal? It's not like they changed the votes, they just did what the most radicals liberals did for months and still do, just the other way around?

Only people with Trump Derangement Syndrome are making it a big deal, which a very small minority or the American people.

 

[Xzi]

It's not like they changed the votes

We don't know that. We do know that several states reported their election systems hacked, and several more reported attempts at hacking. Every single American intelligence agency reports that Russia did have an impact.

 

[Song of storms]

We don't know that. We do know that several states reported their election systems hacked, and several more reported attempts at hacking. Every single American intelligence agency reports that Russia did have an impact.

Then why are people protesting so hard outside the white house if they don't know how serious this is? I'm sure that, if there's hard proof that Russia did hack the vote, resulting in a fraudulent election, they will impeach him. Until then, nay.

 

[Viri]

I have proof that the US manipulated the French election.

Funny thing is America would never do that.
It's only okay when they do it

People in France should protest Emmanuel Macron, he's not a legit President, just a US puppet.

 

[Xzi]

Then why are people protesting so hard outside the white house if they don't know how serious this is? I'm sure that, if there's hard proof that Russia did hack the vote, resulting in a fraudulent election, they will impeach him. Until then, nay.

Because they hate his fucking guts and everybody saw what happened in Helsinki. You might be okay with a compromised worm who shrivels in front of dictators for president, but that doesn't mean everybody else has to be so complacent.

Protests and criminal evidence are not tied. The protestors aren't the ones investigating Trump and his campaign. Still, to pretend there's no progress on that front when Trump's personal attorney is in custody and cooperating with investigators would be asinine.

 

[GBAer]

I have proof that the US manipulated the French election.

People in France should protest Emmanuel Macron, he's not a legit President, just a US puppet.

Dont be silly, because everyone knows its OK when America does it.

 

[Xzi]

Dont be silly, because everyone knows its OK when America does it.

This doesn't even work as a conspiracy theory. Macron was elected in May 2017. Trump was president and the US government was entirely Republican-controlled by that point. If the US was going to interfere in France's election, it would've been to install a more right-wing president. Then again, 99% of conspiracy theories fall apart completely after applying just a little logic or Occam's razor.

 

[GBAer]

This doesn't even work as a conspiracy theory. Macron was elected in May 2017. Trump was president and the US government was entirely Republican-controlled by that point. If the US was going to interfere in France's election, it would've been to install a more right-wing president.

This doesn't even work as a conspiracy theory. Macron was elected in May 2017. Trump was president and the US government was entirely Republican-controlled by that point. If the US was going to interfere in France's election, it would've been to install a more right-wing president. Then again, 99% of conspiracy theories fall apart completely after applying just a little logic or Occam's razor.

And the Trump Russian Collusion is going to be just one of those 99%.

 

[Song of storms]

Because they hate his fucking guts and everybody saw what happened in Helsinki. You might be okay with a compromised worm who shrivels in front of dictators for president, but that doesn't mean everybody else has to be so complacent.

Protests and criminal evidence are not tied. The protestors aren't the ones investigating Trump and his campaign. Still, to pretend there's no progress on that front when Trump's personal attorney is in custody and cooperating with investigators would be asinine.

I would be less OK with that if liberals hadn't been flooding the internet and social groups with liberal propaganda from the very beginning that Trump ran for president. You know the story of the boy who cried wolf? Yeah, now I just want hard proof for anything Trump related or I won't believe it.

 

[Xzi]

And the Trump Russian Collusion is going to be just one of those 99%.

It stops being a conspiracy theory, or even a theory at all, after over 35 indictments have been unsealed. Somehow the vast majority of the individuals caught up in those indictments either worked for the Trump campaign directly or have ties to it. What a shocker.

I would be less OK with that if liberals hadn't been flooding the internet and social groups with liberal propaganda from the very beginning that Trump ran for president. You know the story of the boy who cried wolf? Yeah, now I just want hard proof for anything Trump related or I won't believe it.

Liberals predicted what a shitty president he'd be, and he turned out to be a shitty president, so you tune them out? Makes sense, assuming you already had your mind made up from the beginning.

 

[GBAer]

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Just imagine a Russian politician doing the same thing in Mexico, we'd all be freezing our balls off in a nuclear winter by now, well those of us alive would be anyway.

 

[Viri]

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Just imagine a Russian politician doing the same thing in Mexico, we'd all be freezing our balls off in a nuclear winter by now, well those of us alive would be anyway.

It's okay when the US does it.

 

[Deleted User]

Can you give any hard facts that Trump knowingly colluded with any of these 35 people?, until you can, then its just another conspiracy theory.

Well... (oh boy jumping into politics)
Applying logic and relations Trump has, especially with Russia, makes it a pretty strong case. (all though, not 100% solid)
First, this collusion, the group, these 35 people had spent thousands of dollars getting Trump into the position he is in right now. And getting 35 people together to do one thing, is a bit of a challenge if handled by a single person.
And let me ask this.
what reason would these 35 people have to pour thousands of dollars into a single person? No "normal" circumstance would allow that. You could argue they are a fan of Trump, but why the hell would they go so far out of their way, putting themselves into serious legal danger just for 1 or 2 people for a country they aren't even in... Unless it some how managed to benefit them. People don't work to not get paid. People, no matter what, desire things in return. Keep this in mind.

Now let me ask another question. Where did there source of income come from? (may have missed the source of it in the main document. Reading and remembering 37 pages isn't exactly fun, and searching for it is a bit challenging to say the least)

I'm not saying Trump funded them. As that wouldn't work, unless Trump could get someone within Russia to help funding (indirect funding), but there isn't any evidence to support that so it remain speculation (speculation that isn't impossible, and more likely than random speculation.) But before you respond with someone within the states funded them, it couldn't be possible for it for the initial start. And buying ads for politics is and can be rather pricey. Which means the starting income has to come from somewhere other than the us citizens. (and even then that was for social media)
And keep this also in mind.

But the facts are that a group within Russia aided Trump. Trump has good relations with Putin, someone who has more than a little power in that country. And Trump's other relations/people he had worked with, had also had ties to Russia.
Now back to the speculation pieces, parts that have some evidence, but not enough to be solid. But have higher odds than just being random out of the blue evidence. It isn't impossible, or unlikely at this point Trump may have had asked Putin in some form, or maybe even indirectly. To help him. Putin could of likely, help in the creation of some organization, which would have these 35 people aid in Trumps campaign. But people don't often do favors without some payback, especially if it isn't a family member. So what did or could Trump have done, to get this group and/ or Putin's aid in this?
That I can't answer.
But clearly, in order to get the initial big source of money for those ads, had to be someone with a crap ton of money, and people who have a crap ton of money, are usually people within some sort of power.

 

[kumikochan]

This doesn't even work as a conspiracy theory. Macron was elected in May 2017. Trump was president and the US government was entirely Republican-controlled by that point. If the US was going to interfere in France's election, it would've been to install a more right-wing president. Then again, 99% of conspiracy theories fall apart completely after applying just a little logic or Occam's razor.

I gave you evidence the US has done it over a 100 times with the CIA and have hacked European leaders their allies with the NSA so yeah that is how it works

 

[Xzi]

The man with all the evidence is Mueller. In Manafort's case alone, when it came time to reveal the list of evidence, it was around 500 items deep. I wouldn't expect anything less for any individual this investigation brings charges against.

https://www.scribd.com/document/384216900/Mueller-list-of-indictments-against-Manafort#from_embed

"Where's the evidence" is never a genuine question. Anybody who has any knowledge of the law whatsoever knows that you don't reveal evidence to the public before trial. Doubly so when it comes to high-profile, federal-level investigations. We're only used to so much info leaking to the public now because of how disorganized Trump's white house is. Mueller's team is far more competent.

 

[Xzi]

Republicans today introduced articles of impeachment against deputy AG Rod Rosenstein (essentially Mueller's boss) on the House floor. Largely a political stunt, the vote for impeachment is unlikely to pass given that Republicans are divided on the issue.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...8ee304-9060-11e8-bcd5-9d911c784c38_story.html

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/20...icles-impeachment-against-rosenstein.amp.html

There are rapid response protests planned across the country for this situation, but only if Mueller or Rosenstein is actually removed from office or the investigation.

https://act.moveon.org/event/mueller-firing-rapid-response/search/