13 Russians, 3 businesses indicted by Mueller/Rosenstein in connection to Trump

[Don Jon]

hmm
i wonder where this takes off

cohen-claims-trump-approved-2016-trump-tower-meeting-with-russians:
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/c...tower-meeting-with-russians-report-2018-07-26


something we all know but trump keeps denying

 

[Xzi]

hmm
i wonder where this takes off

cohen-claims-trump-approved-2016-trump-tower-meeting-with-russians:
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/c...tower-meeting-with-russians-report-2018-07-26


something we all know but trump keeps denying

Yup. Lordy there are tapes, and lots of 'em. Reportedly about 100 recordings of Trump from Cohen, many of them Trump was unaware of.

https://www.npr.org/2018/07/26/6325...seized-in-cohen-probe-washington-post-reports

Oh, and Republicans called off impeaching Rosenstein (reportedly at the behest of Trump) in less than a day:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...n-impeachment-articles-freedom-caucus/566132/

This is gonna be good as it unfolds.

 

[CMDreamer]

Good, this is hopefully something everyone will support. We need to send the message to the world that our elections are our business and our business alone, not Russia's.

Right, just what every country wants from foreign governments.

But will this lead to something really meaningful to all USA citizens?

 

[KingVamp]

Republicans today introduced articles of impeachment against deputy AG Rod Rosenstein (essentially Mueller's boss) on the House floor. Largely a political stunt, the vote for impeachment is unlikely to pass given that Republicans are divided on the issue.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...8ee304-9060-11e8-bcd5-9d911c784c38_story.html

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/20...icles-impeachment-against-rosenstein.amp.html

There are rapid response protests planned across the country for this situation, but only if Mueller or Rosenstein is actually removed from office or the investigation.

https://act.moveon.org/event/mueller-firing-rapid-response/search/

I can't believe that they even entertain this. It is like they are trying to make themselves look bad.

 

[Xzi]

Mueller is now also going after corrupt Democrats, specifically Tony Podesta, John's brother:

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/pawz5z/robert-mueller-is-going-after-shady-democrats-now-too

I applaud this move, as we likely need to shed the corporate wing of the party moving forward. Not that I expect Trump or any of his supporters to stop calling this a witch hunt, but this does show that the investigation really is about the law and not partisanship, whether they want to admit it or not.

 

[KingVamp]

Mueller is now also going after corrupt Democrats, specifically Tony Podesta, John's brother:

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/pawz5z/robert-mueller-is-going-after-shady-democrats-now-too

I applaud this move, as we likely need to shed the corporate wing of the party moving forward. Not that I expect Trump or any of his supporters to stop calling this a witch hunt, but this does show that the investigation really is about the law and not partisanship, whether they want to admit it or not.

Don't care who he goes after, as long as he gets all the corruption out. Still, while I know I'm bias, I'm sure the Democratic is much less corrupted than the Republicans. I'm glad check and balances are working somewhat.

 

[KingVamp]

Maybe the people wearing the shirts, were wearing them as a joke, but...
https://splinternews.com/these-trump-fans-might-want-to-reevaluate-their-wardrob-1828119884

Also
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45079377

 

[Xzi]

Maybe the people wearing the shirts, were wearing them as a joke, but...
https://splinternews.com/these-trump-fans-might-want-to-reevaluate-their-wardrob-1828119884

Also
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45079377

An admission of guilt, and even that won't cause the Republicans to flinch. A solid half of Congress is just as deep in Russian blood money as Trump is. If Democracy survives this shit we're gonna need a lot of new rules to govern the behavior of federal politicians and presidents.

 

[Taleweaver]

Maybe the people wearing the shirts, were wearing them as a joke, but...
https://splinternews.com/these-trump-fans-might-want-to-reevaluate-their-wardrob-1828119884

Also
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45079377

Those t-shirts are hilarious. I gotta admit: there ARE conservatives with a sense of humor.

A bit sad that the replies are like that. The are two guys erm... I'm not sure what they were thinking (it's like saying the Titanic isn't sinking but taking a more scenic route to new York), but it's clearly not to be taken seriously. Kind of unfortunate that is used as of those things represent all Republicans without a sense of irony.

On the other hand, that"also" is anything but a joke. He knew about the meeting. With Russian agents. About getting dirt on his opponent. And he lied about it.
Yeah, i know... At this point, saying that is saying like the sun rises in the East. But this lie should- in a normal democracy- be a proof of fraud that should get him fired ( didn't Nixon lost his job over his lie rather than his Watergate involvement? I'm not sure on that )

 

[TotalInsanity4]

( didn't Nixon lost his job over his lie rather than his Watergate involvement? I'm not sure on that )

Nixon actually didn't TECHNICALLY lose his job over anything, but he knew that if he stayed in office there would be a motion for his impeachment and he WOULD be impeached, so he resigned before the Senate even held the trial I believe

 

[JellyPerson]

Nixon actually didn't TECHNICALLY lose his job over anything, but he knew that if he stayed in office there would be a motion for his impeachment and he WOULD be impeached, so he resigned before the Senate even held the trial I believe

he resigned and it cost the government less than it would have for an impeachment motion

 

[TotalInsanity4]

he resigned and it cost the government less than it would have for an impeachment motion

There's a certain someone that I wish would learn from that

 

[KingVamp]

Those t-shirts are hilarious. I gotta admit: there ARE conservatives with a sense of humor.

Not to be that guy, but how do you know it is a joke?

 

[Taleweaver]

Not to be that guy, but how do you know it is a joke?

Because the alternative is too ridiculous to be true. In political stance, conservatives are right, Democrats centre-is and communism left (or far left... I'm not that familiar with how Russia is ruled exactly, nowadays). So the shirts basically say "i'd rather disagree completely and renounce my ideals all the way than compromising a little". Or also: "i don't have a clue about politics but I DISAGREE WITH DEMOCRATS NONETHELESS!!!"

As such, i just assume it's humor. It's pretty much on par with that "vote Cthulhu: why settle for the lesser evil?" shirt. No one actually WANTS to vote for an elder God of madness, but it's so over the top that it loses being a threat but shows the situation as is (in this case, it basically says to Republicans "guys... Seriously: just HOW far are we going to push this'blame Democrats' thing?" )

 

[Viri]

"vote Cthulhu: why settle for the lesser evil?"

I'd vote for him.

Also, your post made me think of this.

 

[Taleweaver]

I'd vote for him.

Also, your post made me think of this.

Yeah...that's also a thing, unfortunate enough. I mentioned that I read "stupid white men" somewhere. It was stated to be released early september 2001, so it had "a bit of bad timing". One of the things that Moore went on about was how much Bill Clinton pushed all sorts of things through that were actually on the agenda of Republicans (he admitted, though, that in the last weeks of Clinton's presidency, he acted on things he had 7.5 years to do). One quote I remember is how he described "Clinton as the best republican president the democrats ever had". In that light, I can't really fault people complaining that Hillary Clinton would be "more of the same"...but it makes this T-shirts even more dumb, because democrats under the Clintons basically follow the liberal right agenda to begin with.

 

[KingVamp]

Russia is getting hit with even more sanctions... when they finally get enforced.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/us-...soning-russian-double-agent/story?id=57115212

Also
https://www.vox.com/2018/8/6/17655470/iran-tehran-sanctions-trump-usa-nuclear-deal

Because the alternative is too ridiculous to be true. In political stance, conservatives are right, Democrats centre-is and communism left (or far left... I'm not that familiar with how Russia is ruled exactly, nowadays). So the shirts basically say "i'd rather disagree completely and renounce my ideals all the way than compromising a little". Or also: "i don't have a clue about politics but I DISAGREE WITH DEMOCRATS NONETHELESS!!!"

As such, i just assume it's humor. It's pretty much on par with that "vote Cthulhu: why settle for the lesser evil?" shirt. No one actually WANTS to vote for an elder God of madness, but it's so over the top that it loses being a threat but shows the situation as is (in this case, it basically says to Republicans "guys... Seriously: just HOW far are we going to push this'blame Democrats' thing?" )

You might be right, but considering the whole basis of this thread and some of the Trump supporters I seen, I think the alternative is also possible. As ridiculous as it might be.


Edit: Welp

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/po...s-saying-rosenstein-impeachment-would-n899031

 

[Taleweaver]

You might be right, but considering the whole basis of this thread and some of the Trump supporters I seen, I think the alternative is also possible. As ridiculous as it might be.

I won't deny it's a possibility. But even so: this isn't (or shouldn't be) about two clowns who manage to be extreme left and right at the same time somehow...but on republicans/Trump supporters/conservatives as a whole. Are there any political groups mass supporting this shirt? Any politicians openly siding with Russia? Is Trump tweeting about these guys? The answer to that is, to my knowledge, a no. So this whole "THIS IS WHAT REPUBLICANS LOOK LIKE" is just below the belt. I mean...I'm politically left myself, but there are so many like me that there might be the odd retard who says something ridiculous. Likewise, I wouldn't like it if right-centered people use that person to proclaim that THAT is what politically left looks like.

 

[KingVamp]

Any politicians siding with Russia?

I was with you, until this part. This whole thread is about people working with Russia, so yes. Unless that's not what you mean.

 

[Taleweaver]

I was with you, until this part. This whole thread is about people working with Russia, so yes. Unless that's not what you mean.

That's not what i meant, indeed. I meant siding as in 'openly supporting'. For a politician, there is often quite a difference between 'working for' and (openly) supporting. Granted: if the allegations are true (and after that visit of trump in Russia, is pretty safe to assume so) then it would be pretty much 'coming out of the closet'. Nonetheless: i haven't read anything of that sort.

 

[Xzi]

That's not what i meant, indeed. I meant siding as in 'openly supporting'. For a politician, there is often quite a difference between 'working for' and (openly) supporting. Granted: if the allegations are true (and after that visit of trump in Russia, is pretty safe to assume so) then it would be pretty much 'coming out of the closet'. Nonetheless: i haven't read anything of that sort.

They're not quite to the point of being fully open about it, they're just really blatant about it considering it's supposed to be a secret. Taking cues from Trump. For example, the eight Republican congressmen who were in Moscow kissing the ring during the 4th of July:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...ae30be-812e-11e8-b658-4f4d2a1aeef1_story.html

 

[Xzi]

Michael Cohen, Trump's longtime personal attorney and "fixer," has reportedly struck a plea deal with federal prosecutors.

https://www.apnews.com/74aaf72511d6...en-in-talks-to-strike-plea-deal-in-fraud-case

The deal itself will be unsealed soon. Everybody knew Cohen would be wearing his flip flops going into these negotiations, but this is gonna get juicy.

Oh, Manafort was also found guilty of eight charges today, and he's got another seven charges lined up against him for a second trial upcoming.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/21/us/politics/paul-manafort-trial-verdict.html