I have always been a regular visitor to GBAtemp,
I am an active member in the hacking community and was heavily involved in the original DS "passme" development and testing.
I have signed up with an "anonymous" alias as I felt I needed to speak and know I will be shot down in flames.
I know this is the "Hacking and Homebrew" section of the site and I know that this is not in line with the Forum Topic, however, the correct target audience are here so I do think this is the most relevant place to post.
The attitude of some people in the forum is atrocious.
You do nothing but flame other people while sat on your high horse adding nothing to the community yourselves.
You are a disgrace and an embarrassment to the hacking community of which I would normally say I was proud to be a member of.
People come on the forums for help and to try to contribute, WE ALL HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE, all they get in return are sarcastic comments and bi**ing it is disgusting.
would it be so hard to direct people in the right way and politely advise them when they have done something wrong?
no... it wouldn't. if you spoke to people in the street like you speak to them on here... I would imagine you would have broken arms and legs...
People deserve respect, there is not a lot of that in this community.
I'm just as entitled to post my opinion as all the flamers in here so I have...
To above: What you're saying in communication skills is what a more transparent Temp would easily achieve. A forum with an openness would attract different kinds of users, in the end.
And on the word of the tutorials: I think this is somewhat remedied by the new Tutorial section that flew up with the Tutorial Competition.
However, I do agree that it would be nice to have professional video tutorials on everything you can do, that would have a likeness to ExpertVillage, or WikiHow.
In fact, going to the expense of doing that would likely be a smart move for newer users.
yeah like i said i wasnt really talking about this site, cause i think this is one of the much better sites/ i was really targting the 360 sceneand to a degree the ps3 scene , but atleast that scene has chris tech, and there site are not so bad , but i think the 360 scene is thw worst, followed but the wii scene , but this site is certainly better than wiihacks think ,in alot of ways and other sites ,
As many have said in this thread... It's the internet. Some people enjoy the fact that they hide behind their monitors and it gets to them.. Simply because if this were reality? Half of them would have been brutally attacked if not killed for mouthing off the way they do. You can't expect anybody to be as well-mannered as you want them to be. What people say and do? That's up to them. You signing on to an anonymous account just to speak your mind? I think it's unjustified. Whatever, people do what people do. That can't be changed. Dedicating a whole thread to it doesn't help your cause either.
Personally? I love GBA Temp, but I can't stand some of ill-educated people here. Don't take what I say as a praise toward myself. I have my moments, and lots of them.
I have always been a regular visitor to GBAtemp,
I am an active member in the hacking community and was heavily involved in the original DS "passme" development and testing.
I have signed up with an "anonymous" alias as I felt I needed to speak and know I will be shot down in flames.
I know this is the "Hacking and Homebrew" section of the site and I know that this is not in line with the Forum Topic, however, the correct target audience are here so I do think this is the most relevant place to post.
The attitude of some people in the forum is atrocious.
You do nothing but flame other people while sat on your high horse adding nothing to the community yourselves.
You are a disgrace and an embarrassment to the hacking community of which I would normally say I was proud to be a member of.
People come on the forums for help and to try to contribute, WE ALL HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE, all they get in return are sarcastic comments and bi**ing it is disgusting.
would it be so hard to direct people in the right way and politely advise them when they have done something wrong?
no... it wouldn't. if you spoke to people in the street like you speak to them on here... I would imagine you would have broken arms and legs...
People deserve respect, there is not a lot of that in this community.
I'm just as entitled to post my opinion as all the flamers in here so I have...
I feel for you man, really I do, but let me say something in this post so I can say I said it and not just be quoting someone.
I'm old, I know the difference between a teen and an old man.
Teens being obnoxious are just acting their age, and I frankly would rather be surrounded by obnoxious teens just being themselves than people my age acting no better.
Because an obnoxious teen is just an obnoxious teen. But a 50 year old acting the same way is a fucking asshole.
And I am sufficiently disgusted with my own age group from elsewhere to the point I quit being one.
Sorry if this place is 'getting you down', but I have seen a lot worse, from people pretending to be mature adults elsewhere, and failing badly.
As many have said in this thread... It's the internet. Some people enjoy the fact that they hide behind their monitors and it gets to them.. Simply because if this were reality? Half of them would have been brutally attacked if not killed for mouthing off the way they do. You can't expect anybody to be as well-mannered as you want them to be. What people say and do? That's up to them. You signing on to an anonymous account just to speak your mind? I think it's unjustified. Whatever, people do what people do. That can't be changed. Dedicating a whole thread to it doesn't help your cause either.
Personally? I love GBA Temp, but I can't stand some of ill-educated people here. Don't take what I say as a praise toward myself. I have my moments, and lots of them.
You summed up the gist of why people act the way they do on the net... BUT, at the same time, the person that is looking for a response, and then gets one, doesn't fully know how to take it because of the fact that you cannot SEE the tone of speaking the responder is giving them. In some cases, you can only take the response at face value, and for the person giving the response, YES, its just the internet, but this is a Forum, its just like speaking to someone in public, you would want them to treat you the way you would want to be treated.
As for people that come here with "theories", their posts seem open-ended because they are looking for extra input from people, people who know something that can help them achieve what they posted, on this site... I know when I first started here, I had posted my first topic to get involved with a discussion, breaking the ice, and all people had to say was "Old news is old news". It wasn't old at all, but it was all they wanted to put. I felt it was rude and disrespectful.
I'm pretty sure if you act that way to people on the net, you will slip or purposely do it in public, and karma has a HORRIBLE way of coming back to people. Having said that, I feel that GBAtemp should be a NO ATTITUDE zone, that includes me too, because I have lost my patience with a person or seven.
I completely agree, people tend to get annoyed with noobs because they don't want to search through the threads for their answer. People sticky key topics, answering their questions, and yet there will always be someone who creates a new thread to ask a question that has been answered on numerous occasions, stickied, etc. etc.
People post speculations on how it can be hacked, and, again on many occasions, they've been shut down, with responses telling them that it would have been considered by actual hackers. And again, people want to actually help the 3DS get hacked, and are again, shut down, all with roughly the same answers.
The point is:
Nothing in the world will make people change.
PS: This board hardly contributes to the community, you've just brought flaming upon yourself, as you said.
hmmm... looked through my first topics and tempers weren't mean to me.
maybe it's just the way you ask, and your timing. for example, like what evo.lve said, at first regular tempers will reply properly, but seeing the same topics created over and over again, the regulars will get annoyed.
it's like a combo where the last one hits the hardest.
i didnt read any of the 5 pages. all i will say to you is this. as a developer of homebrew, as nice as you may want to be, the single most annoying thing is when, although you have laid out instructions on what to do, or when the solution is as simple as google searching a single thing, others continue to pester you on and off about how to make it work or the like. I'm not saying this justifies any possibly rude behavior, but before you criticize you should understand that just because someone is too lazy to google or read the instructions properly, doesnt mean we should all cater to them as if they were esteemed individuals. I personally save asking questions until going through several pages of differently phrased google searches deems unfruitful, and the only solution at that point is to ask a question.
<!--quoteo(post=3817307:date=Aug 6 2011, 01:03 AM:name=rujoeking)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(rujoeking @ Aug 6 2011, 01:03 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=3817307"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Hi All,
I am really happy with the responses to my post.
and I appreciate some people may see the issue as trivial or "Part of the internet"
certain things can be done to help the situation,
putting suggestions forward on how people can help themselves would make a massive difference,
instead of "Stickies" there could be a box at the top of each sub forum pointing to wiki type content for example using the 3ds forum as an example
Flashcard support...................Current status of Hacks....................Hardware...................etc.....
Supercard DSTwo..................How does encryption work.................what is in the 3ds................
R4-SDHC...............................What has already been tried.............something else....................
R4-Gold............................................................................
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This could be in a larger font with icons etc...
having it clearly broken down like this within the forum (above the topics) would avoid a lot of common reoccurring questions and avoid a lot of frustration <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hi,
First I would like to say that being myself a moderator in 3DS section, it's not always easy to decide which one should be close and which one can be left open. GBAtemp has always been opened to discussion and we don't ban/delete/sensor discussion if users are not insulting. Other boards are more strict and may delete all unuseful posts. That's maybe why we have a lot of "n00bs" here, they see GBAtemp like a place where they can register and post too. It's not a board full of Professional hackers/developers only, GBAtemp always accepted everyone.
I agree that there are a lot of crap post and reply, not useful at all <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/frown.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="frown.gif" />
When someone ask a question there are 5 post without the answer before someone come and help the user. If we deleted all those semi-flame posts asking to do a search instead of giving the solution, users wouldn't agree and feel like we are censoring them. "I wasn't insulting, so why delete my comment" etc.
People want to share what they think will be revolutionary and they have the hack solution that nobody though..., It's annoying to have duplicates but we can't sensor topics based on the subject either <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" />
Well, it's how I feel anyway. I don't want to be too strict and want to let people share their ideas (being good or bad).
Secondly,
I agree with your Idea to have a more flashy, well named, informative place to find what everyone ask on the forum while they are not reading the stickies or the previous user's topic still on the first page.
It would be great but :
- Some of the information are already on the Stickied topics (even written in Bold in 3DS section) that nobody read.
- Users don't take the time to wonder if somebody else asked the same thing where maybe they can find the answer without asking again. They just want to ask themselves, we don't know, maybe the hacking possibility just suddenly changed in the past 5 minutes.... all other post are too old to be correct. They want the answer for themselves.
- Wiki is a frightening place to most people. A lot of users prefer asking on the forum than doing a search. Users with knowledge don't update the wiki often either. They are afraid of doing something wrong.
I would really like a place where everyone is helping each other.
but again, I think most users don't take time to write good tutorial, good informative posts to stick, and when they write one they don't update it.
Not everyone, some users are doing it good and really want to help others.
There are people who care about others and people who care only about themselves <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" />
Other just want to answer something randomly to mark their place, showing that they were part of something, being helpful is only second place.
Do any of you would help creating and maintaining a wiki page?
I'm the only one maintaining PS3 wiki pages here on WikiTemp, and I don't have a lot of time to add all the thing I would like.
If users want to create 3DS pages we can link to them from the forum.
i actually dont think this site or scene is that bad for that sort of thing , the 360 scene is the absolut worst, and the wihacks site is prety bad too
much much worse than here i think
the problem is that (not this scene really) that in alot of these scenes the people who know how to do this stuff , have absolutly ibismal communication skills, if people could just take a few minutes to proof read what they write and spend just a bit more time in explaining things properly and not in a way that leaves all sorts of improtant shit out and in a ways that are vague and can be interperted in 50 different ways,with spelling errors,and cause they are not being specific, then we could eliminate more the 50% of posts
all these scenes are full of obsolete tutorials with outdated and obsolete information ,that never gets updated, and are horribly written tutorials, and written by people who have no idea how to clearly explain things, there is this kid on you tube that does a great job in explaining stuff for the ps3 scene , chris tech tv ,hes great at explaining things if every scene had someone like that ,someone with great commnication skills like he has , we woud not have these problems
people should take a page from that kid, especially the ones who make yt videos with horrible shitty music, or complete silence and then call it a "tutorial", neither of which should be done in a tutorial video,and bad poor shaky camera work, poor out of focus camera work,where you cant see anything ,and on and on
people dont even speak in proper complete sentences, and they are so vague in the way they try to explain things, they leave things open to be interperted in 100 different ways, if people would just read wtf they write before they post advice or tutorials, and make sure that there is absolutly no possible way that someone could interpert what they write in more than 1 way ,then people would not be so bitchy about seeing people posting the same questions over and over, sure there are some people who ask obvious things over and over , but alot of the questions are due to the way alot of stuff on console scenes is "explained"
alot of things like most tutorials just go right in and start spewing technical jargon , where they should first,always give you an overview of the procedure in laymans terms , and explain the outcome and goal of what it is the tutorial is for,first,before they even get to the 1st step in laymens terms, everything should have atleast a little brief explanation that says what it is basically for, in lay terms atleast,and at most a quick overview of the procedure that explains what you will be doing in each step that is written in plain english with out using any technical terms, unless it is to define them , also a glosary of acronyms and terms should be included in every site , and maybe a short little one at the begining of every tutorial that explains any terms or acronyms you may come across that you or a noob might not know the definition of,that are used in the tutorial
there is no common sense in these scenes ,and absolutly no communication skills what so ever ,its like the 2 dont mix or something,
i swear 90% of what i read on these sites ,i dont thin the person that wrote even went back and read it even one time after they wrote it
then when you point out stuff that is obviously confusing they inore it or you ,or try and argue with you why they are right and you are jus an idiot for understanding the retarted vague tutorial ,instead of just editing it ,and taking your advice
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I also totally agree with you.
There is always old and outdated tutorial, we can't remove them from the web, people just need common sense to check the date and see if it's recent or old, and check if there's nothing newer.
I agree that a lot of Tutorial don't explain things. They just give steps to follow blindly. That alone is a great thing for n00bs who want everything NOW without thinking what they are doing, Though it's really bad because these people will stay ignorant and will come back at you asking always the same question because they didn't understand what they did and how their console is working.
When I do a Tutorial, I like to explain things. I want users to understand what they are doing.
Check my (not complete yet) multiMAN tutorial, or the help I provide in the Wii forums (<a href="http://gbatemp.net/t303512-question-about-wads-and-other-guide" target="_blank">example</a>). I try to explain what the users will have to do.
I don't like users posting only "use Modmii" all over the forum, or hijack topics with bad and incomplete informations. It's unproductive and just keep the users in the blurry world of n00bs. (at least explain what ModMii is used for)
You are fed of n00bs? then teach them correctly so they become learning newbies!
You like n00bs asking the same thing over and over? continue writing n00b-proof guide.
People who really care and want to help users should take the time to explain. Read again to check if there's no error, come back and update the guides when there are new methods, mark old guides as obsolete.
That's why Wiki would be a better place for Tutorials, everybody can update and maintain it, while forum topics can't be edited if the poster went MIA or just don't care anymore.
So, rujoeking, I like the Wiki idea, but will people change their habits and start using it more?
I completely agree, people tend to get annoyed with noobs because they don't want to search through the threads for their answer. People sticky key topics, answering their questions, and yet there will always be someone who creates a new thread to ask a question that has been answered on numerous occasions, stickied, etc. etc.
People post speculations on how it can be hacked, and, again on many occasions, they've been shut down, with responses telling them that it would have been considered by actual hackers. And again, people want to actually help the 3DS get hacked, and are again, shut down, all with roughly the same answers.
The point is:
Nothing in the world will make people change.
PS: This board hardly contributes to the community, you've just brought flaming upon yourself, as you said.
This is what pisses me off more than anything. No, they don't want to get the 3DS hacked. They want to play pirated games and that's it. These so called speculators have no fricking clue about how a closed hardware system works, let alone how to hack it.
I am sick and tired of seeing threads speculating how you can modifiy a save file or send a file over the network to run unsigned code on your 3DS. These are just simple methods of file transfer and are no way related to hacking a system, yet I see these threads over and over again giving more "bright ideas" to the community.
Being a noob does not make it ok to:
-act like a genius when you post a ridiculous idea that anyone with a little bit of hacking knowledge would realize is stupid.
-ask questions as though you are entitled to a response; especially after putting no effort into finding the answer on your own.
-be an annoying moron.
Being a noob does make it ok to:
-be less knowledgeable than others and politely ask questions that you have attempted to answer on your own.
I see plenty of noobs that get by fine without pissing people off or getting trolled.
It's the blatantly ignorant noobs that don't care about trying not to be a noob that get flamed, and imo they deserve it (most of the time).
If noobs want respect, they need to be respectful in the first place. That's the way the whole world works, not just the Internet.
i dont care how stupid a question is... if the answer is no then all the response should be is "no".... there is no need to flame.... if you can take the time to post a flame or hurtful response you can just as easily say no or yes and leave it at that... if you flame anyone for any reason you are a dick..and need to look at your own self....
and why does posting retarded questions pisd anyone off? like its taking up usefull space or sumthing.....there is plenty of room so dont get mad, just dont respond if your obviously gonna be a dick.
<!--quoteo(post=3817152:date=Aug 5 2011, 05:15 PM:name=Guild McCommunist)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Guild McCommunist @ Aug 5 2011, 05:15 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=3817152"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=3817143:date=Aug 5 2011, 11:09 PM:name=Demonstryde)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Demonstryde @ Aug 5 2011, 11:09 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=3817143"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->maybe i'm an idiot, but the search engine has a terrible format, and never turns any results for me.... maybe if it were to be easier to use for newcomers , they would be more likely to use it..<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<a href="http://www.google.com/cse/home?cx=013630650091043013295:fovgnno_tdc" target="_blank">Use this then.</a>
I've never been a fan of the Search function on the forum itself but I've always used the Google one.
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honestly, i always use that search page, i've compared that and the forum search, and the google one is always better, it should be linked to as the official search engine
<!--quoteo(post=3817386:date=Aug 5 2011, 08:37 PM:name=totalnoob617)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(totalnoob617 @ Aug 5 2011, 08:37 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=3817386"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=3816787:date=Aug 5 2011, 02:51 PM:name=rujoeking)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(rujoeking @ Aug 5 2011, 02:51 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=3816787"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I have always been a regular visitor to GBAtemp,
I am an active member in the hacking community and was heavily involved in the original DS "passme" development and testing.
I have signed up with an "anonymous" alias as I felt I needed to speak and know I will be shot down in flames.
I know this is the "Hacking and Homebrew" section of the site and I know that this is not in line with the Forum Topic, however, the correct target audience are here so I do think this is the most relevant place to post.
The attitude of some people in the forum is atrocious.
You do nothing but flame other people while sat on your high horse adding nothing to the community yourselves.
You are a disgrace and an embarrassment to the hacking community of which I would normally say I was proud to be a member of.
People come on the forums for help and to try to contribute, WE ALL HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE, all they get in return are sarcastic comments and bi**ing it is disgusting.
would it be so hard to direct people in the right way and politely advise them when they have done something wrong?
no... it wouldn't. if you spoke to people in the street like you speak to them on here... I would imagine you would have broken arms and legs...
People deserve respect, there is not a lot of that in this community.
I'm just as entitled to post my opinion as all the flamers in here so I have...
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i actually dont think this site or scene is that bad for that sort of thing , the 360 scene is the absolut worst, and the wihacks site is prety bad too
much much worse than here i think
the problem is that (not this scene really) that in alot of these scenes the people who know how to do this stuff , have absolutly ibismal communication skills, if people could just take a few minutes to proof read what they write and spend just a bit more time in explaining things properly and not in a way that leaves all sorts of improtant shit out and in a ways that are vague and can be interperted in 50 different ways,with spelling errors,and cause they are not being specific, then we could eliminate more the 50% of posts
all these scenes are full of obsolete tutorials with outdated and obsolete information ,that never gets updated, and are horribly written tutorials, and written by people who have no idea how to clearly explain things, there is this kid on you tube that does a great job in explaining stuff for the ps3 scene , chris tech tv ,hes great at explaining things if every scene had someone like that ,someone with great commnication skills like he has , we woud not have these problems
people should take a page from that kid, especially the ones who make yt videos with horrible shitty music, or complete silence and then call it a "tutorial", neither of which should be done in a tutorial video,and bad poor shaky camera work, poor out of focus camera work,where you cant see anything ,and on and on
people dont even speak in proper complete sentences, and they are so vague in the way they try to explain things, they leave things open to be interperted in 100 different ways, if people would just read wtf they write before they post advice or tutorials, and make sure that there is absolutly no possible way that someone could interpert what they write in more than 1 way ,then people would not be so bitchy about seeing people posting the same questions over and over, sure there are some people who ask obvious things over and over , but alot of the questions are due to the way alot of stuff on console scenes is "explained"
alot of things like most tutorials just go right in and start spewing technical jargon , where they should first,always give you an overview of the procedure in laymans terms , and explain the outcome and goal of what it is the tutorial is for,first,before they even get to the 1st step in laymens terms, everything should have atleast a little brief explanation that says what it is basically for, in lay terms atleast,and at most a quick overview of the procedure that explains what you will be doing in each step that is written in plain english with out using any technical terms, unless it is to define them , also a glosary of acronyms and terms should be included in every site , and maybe a short little one at the begining of every tutorial that explains any terms or acronyms you may come across that you or a noob might not know the definition of,that are used in the tutorial
there is no common sense in these scenes ,and absolutly no communication skills what so ever ,its like the 2 dont mix or something,
i swear 90% of what i read on these sites ,i dont thin the person that wrote even went back and read it even one time after they wrote it
then when you point out stuff that is obviously confusing they inore it or you ,or try and argue with you why they are right and you are jus an idiot for understanding the retarted vague tutorial ,instead of just editing it ,and taking your advice
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this is something i strongly feel is needed in communities, you need updated stickies, full with easy to understand things that allow people to get into easily, and they have to stay updated, once the OP stops updating, there needs to be a way for someone else to take over and continue where they left off
<!--quoteo(post=3817398:date=Aug 5 2011, 08:50 PM:name=Ace Faith)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Ace Faith @ Aug 5 2011, 08:50 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=3817398"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->To above: What you're saying in communication skills is what a more transparent Temp would easily achieve. A forum with an openness would attract different kinds of users, in the end.
And on the word of the tutorials: I think this is somewhat remedied by the new Tutorial section that flew up with the Tutorial Competition.
However, I do agree that it would be nice to have professional video tutorials on everything you can do, that would have a likeness to ExpertVillage, or WikiHow.
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Ace you can shut up about the whole "openness" bullcrap, everyone in the community who's going to share does it already, and everyone knowing everybody else requires interest from both sides, which doesn't happen unless you come here regularly. What we need is a better attitude towards those who don't really know anything, and we need to legitimately teach them why what they're saying is wrong, along with stickies that people can be sure will stay updated, so they don't have to ask if the sticky is still correct or if further advancements have come along.
And the new Tutorials section is still bullcrap in my opinion, you can't just take a whole forum with multiple subforums and throw all of the tutorials into one giant spamfest of crappy tutorials covering way too many topics.
<!--quoteo(post=3817835:date=Aug 6 2011, 08:04 AM:name=Cyan)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Cyan @ Aug 6 2011, 08:04 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=3817835"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Secondly,
I agree with your Idea to have a more flashy, well named, informative place to find what everyone ask on the forum while they are not reading the stickies or the previous user's topic still on the first page.
It would be great but :
- Some of the information are already on the Stickied topics (even written in Bold in 3DS section) that nobody read.
- Users don't take the time to wonder if somebody else asked the same thing where maybe they can find the answer without asking again. They just want to ask themselves, we don't know, maybe the hacking possibility just suddenly changed in the past 5 minutes.... all other post are too old to be correct. They want the answer for themselves.
- Wiki is a frightening place to most people. A lot of users prefer asking on the forum than doing a search. Users with knowledge don't update the wiki often either. They are afraid of doing something wrong.
I would really like a place where everyone is helping each other.
but again, I think most users don't take time to write good tutorial, good informative posts to stick, and when they write one they don't update it.
Not everyone, some users are doing it good and really want to help others.
There are people who care about others and people who care only about themselves <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" />
Other just want to answer something randomly to mark their place, showing that they were part of something, being helpful is only second place.
Do any of you would help creating and maintaining a wiki page?
I'm the only one maintaining PS3 wiki pages here on WikiTemp, and I don't have a lot of time to add all the thing I would like.
If users want to create 3DS pages we can link to them from the forum.
i actually dont think this site or scene is that bad for that sort of thing , the 360 scene is the absolut worst, and the wihacks site is prety bad too
much much worse than here i think
the problem is that (not this scene really) that in alot of these scenes the people who know how to do this stuff , have absolutly ibismal communication skills, if people could just take a few minutes to proof read what they write and spend just a bit more time in explaining things properly and not in a way that leaves all sorts of improtant shit out and in a ways that are vague and can be interperted in 50 different ways,with spelling errors,and cause they are not being specific, then we could eliminate more the 50% of posts
all these scenes are full of obsolete tutorials with outdated and obsolete information ,that never gets updated, and are horribly written tutorials, and written by people who have no idea how to clearly explain things, there is this kid on you tube that does a great job in explaining stuff for the ps3 scene , chris tech tv ,hes great at explaining things if every scene had someone like that ,someone with great commnication skills like he has , we woud not have these problems
people should take a page from that kid, especially the ones who make yt videos with horrible shitty music, or complete silence and then call it a "tutorial", neither of which should be done in a tutorial video,and bad poor shaky camera work, poor out of focus camera work,where you cant see anything ,and on and on
people dont even speak in proper complete sentences, and they are so vague in the way they try to explain things, they leave things open to be interperted in 100 different ways, if people would just read wtf they write before they post advice or tutorials, and make sure that there is absolutly no possible way that someone could interpert what they write in more than 1 way ,then people would not be so bitchy about seeing people posting the same questions over and over, sure there are some people who ask obvious things over and over , but alot of the questions are due to the way alot of stuff on console scenes is "explained"
alot of things like most tutorials just go right in and start spewing technical jargon , where they should first,always give you an overview of the procedure in laymans terms , and explain the outcome and goal of what it is the tutorial is for,first,before they even get to the 1st step in laymens terms, everything should have atleast a little brief explanation that says what it is basically for, in lay terms atleast,and at most a quick overview of the procedure that explains what you will be doing in each step that is written in plain english with out using any technical terms, unless it is to define them , also a glosary of acronyms and terms should be included in every site , and maybe a short little one at the begining of every tutorial that explains any terms or acronyms you may come across that you or a noob might not know the definition of,that are used in the tutorial
there is no common sense in these scenes ,and absolutly no communication skills what so ever ,its like the 2 dont mix or something,
i swear 90% of what i read on these sites ,i dont thin the person that wrote even went back and read it even one time after they wrote it
then when you point out stuff that is obviously confusing they inore it or you ,or try and argue with you why they are right and you are jus an idiot for understanding the retarted vague tutorial ,instead of just editing it ,and taking your advice
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I also totally agree with you.
There is always old and outdated tutorial, we can't remove them from the web, people just need common sense to check the date and see if it's recent or old, and check if there's nothing newer.
I agree that a lot of Tutorial don't explain things. They just give steps to follow blindly. That alone is a great thing for n00bs who want everything NOW without thinking what they are doing, Though it's really bad because these people will stay ignorant and will come back at you asking always the same question because they didn't understand what they did and how their console is working.
When I do a Tutorial, I like to explain things. I want users to understand what they are doing.
Check my (not complete yet) multiMAN tutorial, or the help I provide in the Wii forums (<a href="http://gbatemp.net/t303512-question-about-wads-and-other-guide" target="_blank">example</a>). I try to explain what the users will have to do.
I don't like users posting only "use Modmii" all over the forum, or hijack topics with bad and incomplete informations. It's unproductive and just keep the users in the blurry world of n00bs. (at least explain what ModMii is used for)
You are fed of n00bs? then teach them correctly so they become learning newbies!
You like n00bs asking the same thing over and over? continue writing n00b-proof guide.
People who really care and want to help users should take the time to explain. Read again to check if there's no error, come back and update the guides when there are new methods, mark old guides as obsolete.
That's why Wiki would be a better place for Tutorials, everybody can update and maintain it, while forum topics can't be edited if the poster went MIA or just don't care anymore.
So, rujoeking, I like the Wiki idea, but will people change their habits and start using it more?
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Again, i always absolutely hate it when i come into a community somewhere and check out their sticky only to find out that it's outdated, it just makes you feel like... what's the point of it being there if half of the information is wrong. As for the wiki part I really should get more into it, i'm just not, i made a wiki account a bit ago but i never really go there, and i doubt any of the guests do either, it's incredibly barren.
i actually dont think this site or scene is that bad for that sort of thing , the 360 scene is the absolut worst, and the wihacks site is prety bad too
much much worse than here i think
the problem is that (not this scene really) that in alot of these scenes the people who know how to do this stuff , have absolutlyibismal communication skills, if people could just take a few minutes to proof read what they write and spend just a bit more time in explaining things properly and not in a way that leaves all sorts of improtant shit out and in a ways that are vague and can be interperted in 50 different ways,with spelling errors,and cause they are not being specific, then we could eliminate more the 50% of posts
*snip*
Moving on, I think, jumping off of what Ace Faith was saying, maybe optional Facebook integration isn't such a bad idea. Let people see "Hey, TehSkull is really Kyle Bradshaw, and not some random derp on the web."
That would keep those who did make their FB public less likely to troll and less like to be trolled.
I always remember a Thread some time ago and because people didn't like it they demanded it to be closed. If they didn't like it why bother posting and arguing.
Sometimes we made related questions to something and usually we get flamed too. For example let's say I create a thread Asking about a list of 3ds games containing updates and which update.
I may receive answers like:
1) There isn't any list (appropriate answer)
or
2) DO A FUCKIN SEARCH YOU IDIOT! (inappropriate answer from a dick when there is really nothing to search ). This last reply is one that happens a lot and there's no reason for it IF the question made it's really valid.
I always remember a Thread some time ago and because people didn't like it they demanded it to be closed. If they didn't like it why bother posting and arguing.
Sometimes we made related questions to something and usually we get flamed too. For example let's say I create a thread Asking about a list of 3ds games containing updates and which update.
I may receive answers like:
1) There isn't any list (appropriate answer)
or
2) DO A FUCKIN SEARCH YOU IDIOT! (inappropriate answer from a dick when there is really nothing to search ). This last reply is one that happens a lot and there's no reason for it IF the question made it's really valid.
I always remember a Thread some time ago and because people didn't like it they demanded it to be closed. If they didn't like it why bother posting and arguing.
Sometimes we made related questions to something and usually we get flamed too. For example let's say I create a thread Asking about a list of 3ds games containing updates and which update.
I may receive answers like:
1) There isn't any list (appropriate answer)
or
2) DO A FUCKIN SEARCH YOU IDIOT! (inappropriate answer from a dick when there is really nothing to search ). This last reply is one that happens a lot and there's no reason for it IF the question made it's really valid.
The problem with answer 2 is that sometimes people want you to perform something that maybe you already did and on top of that they do it in a bad tone that may seem insulting sometimes.
Answer 2 should be instead:
Did you make a search? (This way is much more comfortable than the previous unnecessary burst)
I always remember a Thread some time ago and because people didn't like it they demanded it to be closed. If they didn't like it why bother posting and arguing.
Sometimes we made related questions to something and usually we get flamed too. For example let's say I create a thread Asking about a list of 3ds games containing updates and which update.
I may receive answers like:
1) There isn't any list (appropriate answer)
or
2) DO A FUCKIN SEARCH YOU IDIOT! (inappropriate answer from a dick when there is really nothing to search ). This last reply is one that happens a lot and there's no reason for it IF the question made it's really valid.
The problem with answer 2 is that sometimes people want you to perform something that maybe you already did and on top of that they do it in a bad tone that may seem insulting sometimes.
Answer 2 should be instead:
Did you make a search? (This way is much more comfortable than the previous unnecessary burst)
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