Can Donald Trump become President Again?

[Foxi4]

I concede is that your ill-placed arrogance cannot cover your several Ls, but rather makes them more obvious, that's what I concede and that's after having seen your ramblings, we are only missing "taxation is theft" and the picture is complete.

Not all taxation. Just a couple forms of taxation, like the income tax - a penalty on productivity which was supposed to be a temporary measure to fuel the war effort and turned into a mainstay in taxation.

which, as any person with education above 5th grade can tell, is perhaps the safest way to ensure everyone is treated differently. Thank you for confirming you are below that.

Everyone should be treated equally under the law, as we are all equal. None of us are superior or inferior and we all deserve to be treated exactly the same. How individuals treat each other privately is none of my business. Maybe you shouldn’t associate with assholes if you keep getting “mistreated” so frequently.

The only thing you seem to know is how to fail at Google 101, like plenty of others all-rounder pundits that belong with you lot.

Doubling down on being wrong is a bad look. Please, take your time and read about the difference between equal and equitable, so as to avoid looking silly in public next time. I’m saying this in earnest, your understanding of those terms is incorrect, and if you ever want to be a part of a debate about distribution, it is in your interest to know the difference. I’m a villain, not a monster - I’ll make fun of you, but I will also reach out to help you out of the mud.

 

[Dark_Ansem]

Not all taxation. Just a couple forms of taxation, like the income tax - a penalty on productivity which was supposed to be a temporary measure to fuel the war effort and turned into a mainstay in taxation.

And which other forms of taxation, then, now I must know. Which ones work?

Everyone should be treated equally under the law, as we are all equal. None of us are superior or inferior and we all deserve to be treated exactly the same. How individuals treat each other privately is none of my business. Maybe you shouldn’t associate with assholes of you keep getting “mistreated” so frequently.

Ok, now we are veering from your attempts to rely on jurisprudence to the purely philosophical. Taking away all your insufferable smarm, how realistic your scenario is, without law? And you know the answer, as you said something quite relevant some posts before.

Doubling down on being wrong is a bad look. Please, take your time and read about the difference between equal and equitable, so as to avoid looking silly in public next time. I’m saying this in earnest, your understanding of those terms is incorrect, and if you ever want to be a part of a debate about distribution, it is in your interest to know the difference.

The only thing you can help with, Faragista, is generating further embarassment of yourself, who failed spectacularly several days ago in even understanding who wrote what. You keep throwing this dead cat of equitable and equal, thinking you were clever with your mirror-climbing claim of a legal definition, while in fact you were hilariously wrong. In a very sad way.

I’m a villain, not a monster - I’ll make fun of you, but I will also reach out to help you out if the mud.

No one in the gutter can help people out of anything, so, sorry, but consider your dragging attempts laughable. Ditto about being a villain, however, but nowhere as important as you think yourself to be.

 

[Foxi4]

And which other forms of taxation, then, now I must know. Which ones work?

As a general rule, I like to pay for services rendered.

Ok, now we are veering from your attempts to rely on jurisprudence to the purely philosophical. Taking away all your insufferable smarm, how realistic your scenario is, without law? And you know the answer, as you said something quite relevant some posts before.

I don’t know - perhaps you should tell me how civilisations were formed? Humans are rather social creatures - we’ve been cooperating for the entirety of out history. In fact, probably longer than that, considering primates in general are social creatures. Hominids lived in organised groups since before our species has emerged.

The only thing you can help with, Faragista, is generating further embarassment of yourself, who failed spectacularly several days ago in even understanding who wrote what. You keep throwing this dead cat of equitable and equal, thinking you were clever with your mirror-climbing claim of a legal definition, while in fact you were hilariously wrong. In a very sad way.

Uhm… no. I am correct. Not just in a legal sense - these words have specific meanings. I’m just waiting for you to come to terms with that. I know exactly “who said what”, I have a scroll wheel. I can choose to respond more broadly if I’m responding to a group - that is not the case right now.

No one in the gutter can help people out of anything, so, sorry, but consider your dragging attempts laughable. Ditto about being a villain, however, but nowhere as important as you think yourself to be.

You can persist in ignorance, it’s no skin off my back. I find that people who act childishly often respond to stimuli meant for children, like picture books. In the spirit of fairness, I’ll make a last ditch effort.



Hopefully that resolves any remaining queries.

 

[Dark_Ansem]

As a general rule, I like to pay for services rendered.

That's a non-answer if I ever see any.

I don’t know - perhaps you should tell me how civilisations were formed? Humans are rather social creatures - we’ve been cooperating for the entirety of out history. In fact, probably longer than that, considering primates in general are social creatures. Hominids lived in organised groups since before our species has emerged.

I can. Are you ready to accept the answers?

Uhm… no. I am correct. Not just in a legal sense - these words have specific meanings. I’m just waiting for you to come to terms with that. I know exactly “who said what”, I have a scroll wheel. I can choose to respond more broadly if I’m responding to a group - that is not the case right now.

No, you tried to spin a concept and failed. Then I turned it on your head and you're still throwing a tantrum.

You can persist in ignorance, it’s no skin off my back. I find that people who act childishly often respond to stimuli meant for children, like picture books. In the spirit of fairness, I’ll make a last ditch effort.



Hopefully that resolves any remaining queries.

LOL, if there was ever need of how you can't be taken seriously, this is it. And again, like many libertarian Faragistas, you can try to throw irrelevant dead cats on the table, you'll fail.

 

[Foxi4]

That's a non-answer if I ever see any.

I can’t keep doing your homework - at some point you have to figure out what words mean.

I can. Are you ready to accept the answers?

Boy howdy.

No, you tried to spin a concept and failed. Then I turned it on your head and you're still throwing a tantrum.

I gave you accurate definitions, an example and a source link. At this point it’s on you.

LOL, if there was ever need of how you can't be taken seriously, this is it. And again, like many libertarian Faragistas, you can try to throw irrelevant dead cats on the table, you'll fail.

You keep calling me a “Faragista”. I thought I already said I’m not a supporter of Nigel Farage. I had doubts regarding your reading comprehension as it is, you’re not helping your case.

I think we can close the “equitable versus equal” chapter of the conversation - you refuse to accept defeat in the face of overwhelming evidence. As such, we can’t have an honest discussion in good faith - you’ve demonstrated that you’re incapable of learning, or ingesting new information. That’s one thing you could potentially learn from @The Catboy.

 

[Dark_Ansem]

I think we can close the “equitable versus equal” chapter of the conversation - you refuse to accept defeat in the face of overwhelming evidence. As such, we can’t have an honest discussion in good faith - you’ve demonstrated that you’re incapable of learning, or ingesting new information. That’s one thing you could potentially learn from @The Catboy.

And you can't have a conversation without lies, spin and misinformation.

I can’t keep doing your homework - at some point you have to figure out what words mean.

If this were your homework, you'd get a sound 0%.

Boy howdy.

Again, another non-answer, something you seem to be specialised in. Are you a politician?

I gave you accurate definitions, an example and a source link. At this point it’s on you.

And I didn't refute them, in fact I never refuted them. But your nonexistent reading comprehension is showing.

You keep calling me a “Faragista”. I thought I already said I’m not a supporter of Nigel Farage. I already had doubts in your reading comprehension, you’re not helping your case here.

My reading comprehension is fine - matter is, I don't believe you, mr "Trump in 2nd term would be hilarious and I can't tell why BECAUSE OF REASONS".

 

[Foxi4]

And you can't have a conversation without lies, spin and misinformation. If this were your homework, you'd get a sound 0%. Again, another non-answer, something you seem to be specialised in. Are you a politician? And I didn't refute them, in fact I never refuted them. But your nonexistent reading comprehension is showing.

Perhaps it’s your ability to convey your thoughts that’s at fault here, considering you called my description incorrect (we call that an “objection”, you couldn’t “refute” because that’d require you to be correct, which you’re not) based on your own misunderstanding of a basic Google search. If this is your concession then I accept, I’ve lost interest in debating the matter since I’m demonstrably correct.

My reading comprehension is fine - matter is, I don't believe you, mr "Trump in 2nd term would be hilarious and I can't tell why BECAUSE OF REASONS".

Ah, I understand. You ascribed an imaginary feature to me and you’re now busy criticising me for it as a form of insult. Deranged, but amusing. You can continue, I figured that you missed that part, but clearly not - you just like fighting strawmen, by your own admission.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

 

[Dark_Ansem]

Perhaps it’s your ability to convey your thoughts that’s at fault here, considering you called my description incorrect based on your own misunderstanding of a basic Google search. If this is your concession then I accept, I’ve lost interest in debating a matter when I’m demonstrably correct.

I concede you're incapable of having an honest discussion, but I don't blame you. Like every libertarian, you think that your worldview is the only one that works. You're wrong, obviously, the only places where libertarians won were overrun by bears, so bears are literally smarter than libertarians, but it's always hilarious to see you lot gasp.

Ah, I understand. You ascribed an imaginary feature to me and you’re now busy criticising me for it as a form of insult. Deranged, but amusing. You can continue, I figured that you missed that part, but clearly not - you just like fighting strawmen, by your own admission.

Then explain, in plain terms and no wordplay, why you want Trump to win a second term.

 

[Foxi4]

I concede you're incapable of having an honest discussion, but I don't blame you. Like every libertarian, you think that your worldview is the only one that works. You're wrong, obviously, the only places where libertarians won were overrun by bears, so bears are literally smarter than libertarians, but it's always hilarious to see you lot gasp.

I concede that if this was my homework, I would indeed fail the assignment as you’ve learned nothing.

Then explain, in plain terms and no wordplay, why you want Trump to win a second term.

I have many reasons, I’m under no obligation to disclose them. You seem to be under the impression that I care about your opinion - I really, honestly don’t. I don’t owe you a justification. If you insist on badgering me, deregulation and tax cuts come to mind first and foremost, but there’s a lot to talk about in terms of policy.

 

[ChrisMCNBVA]

I’ll say plain and simple that I want Donald Trump to be president again because I can’t stand Biden one bit I just don’t understand why some people like him better

 

[Dark_Ansem]

I have many reasons, I’m under no obligation to disclose them. You seem to be under the impression that I care about your opinion - I really, honestly don’t. I don’t owe you a justification. If you insist on badgering me, deregulation and tax cuts come to mind first and foremost, but there’s a lot to talk about in terms of policy

Neither I care for yours, but I am curious and what can I say. But before I go forward, I'd like to thank you for your (half-arsed) answer.
Lol tax cuts for the super rich while raising taxes for the common folk who, like total morons, vote for him. Why somehow I am not surprised. Are you an affluent (it means rich, do you need another definition?) US citizen?
Deregulation eh? Spoken like a true libertarian who thinks a FFA is an ideal environment, in any context.
Thank you for this fascinating snippet of libertarian 'thinking'.

I concede that if this was my homework, I would indeed fail the assignment as you’ve learned nothing.

I am sorry you feel that way, incompetence should never be highlighted. I hope by highliting your fallacies I have helped to drag you out of the mud.

I’ll say plain and simple that I want Donald Trump to be president again because I can’t stand Biden one bit I just don’t understand why some people like him better

Because Biden is not an incompetent, amoral scumbag who flooded the highest institution of the land with his family, who wasted taxpayer money on golf trips and who had a sickening crush for the man who is instigating world war 3. And yet somehow to you those are endearing qualities.

 

[Foxi4]

Neither I care for yours, but I am curious and what can I say. But before I go forward, I'd like to thank you for your (half-arsed) answer.
Lol tax cuts for the super rich while raising taxes for the common folk who, like total morons, vote for him. Why somehow I am not surprised. Are you an affluent (it means rich, do you need another definition?) US citizen?
Deregulation eh? Spoken like a true libertarian who thinks a FFA is an ideal environment, in any context.
Thank you for this fascinating snippet of libertarian 'thinking'.

Everyone across the board saved money after the Trump tax cuts, your point of contention is that the “rich” saved a higher dollar amount. This is not surprising - the rich make more money, that’s how percentages work. IRS data shows that the key beneficiaries of the cuts were in fact the working and middle class tax payers - they need to hold on to their money the most, the “rich” are already “rich”. The former two groups can benefit from an increased standard of living by holding on to more of their income, and a boom in consumption shows that they did. Tax liability also dropped off a cliff, which shows that tax avoidance has also decreased. Despite the cut, the treasury still saw record revenues. I’m not particularly concerned about “rich people’s money” and have a strong preference for citizens holding on to their individual incomes - Trump’s cuts accomplished that, leaving average households with more money in the bank by the end of the year. Average incomes grew by about 5.7% - an unprecedented growth, growth which was effectively wiped out by Bidenflation. You see, a growth in income is only relevant if it outpaces inflation - if it doesn’t, wages are stagnated, it’s just the number that changes, not the level of wealth. Sadly we had to deal with COVID in the immediate aftermath of Trump’s great results, but there’s nothing holding us back once the pandemic comes to a close. Someone who happens to think “like Trump” would be excellent right about now to give the economy a much-needed boost, considering the lockdowns led to crib death of many small businesses. Now, more than ever, the federal government needs to lower the bar for entry and allow new players onto the field through more lax regulation and lesser tax burden. Hard to achieve when you keep printing money, but not impossible.

https://thehill.com/opinion/finance...enefited-middle-working-class-americans-most/

https://www.marketwatch.com/amp/sto...first-year-after-trumps-tax-reform-2020-03-03

I am sorry you feel that way, incompetence should never be highlighted. I hope by highliting your fallacies I have helped to drag you out of the mud.

Putting fingers up your ears and going “la la la!” doesn’t change the fact that you were wrong, my only failure is in explaining to you why that is effectively, but there’s only so much one can do on infertile ground.

 

[The Catboy]

That’s one thing you could potentially learn from @The Catboy.

Can a catboy not nap in peace?

 

[Dr_Faustus]

I’ll say plain and simple that I want Donald Trump to be president again because I can’t stand Biden one bit I just don’t understand why some people like him better

Lesser evil more or less. People did not like either, and honestly if Covid did not happen at all he would have probably gotten a second term despite the impeachments (because those do not seem to do shit anymore for a form of discipline) But since the handling of the pandemic was so fucked sideways he really did not have any good leg to stand on in the global picture which made us just realize how bad he and his team was at leading a country and its people (without needing to rely on conspiracy driven rhetoric anyways).

No one really wanted Biden but the DNC, he was pushed as the primary choice by his party first before the people who even had a choice in the primary races. Its basically the same shit that happened back in 2016 with Hillary, just this time it worked out for the DNC despite Trump literally going out of his way building his entire defense for Biden in that election. I think if the people had a better means to choose their DNC primary we would have ended up with someone more reasonable or at least more interesting than someone who is another cookie cut moderate who puts so much effort in appealing the other side they waste their time actually shaking things up for the better forgetting they actually have majority control of the senate and do not need to appeal to both sides.


TL;DR People are sick of moderates on the democratic side. Its a wasted effort as no respecting republican will ever take the side to agree with a democrat. Its literally not in their nature to. Rather than trying to play nice with everyone people want someone who will take control and just get shit done. Basically a Dick Cheney for the Democrats, which did exist but the DNC is scared shitless of him ever getting the primary vote.

 

[SG854]

Pretending like the government didn't have a hand in creating these green technologies, lol.

Edit: I bought my aforementioned solar panels in part because the federal government paid for about 30% of it, but yeah, fuck the government.

 

[Dark_Ansem]

Putting fingers up your ears and going “la la la!” doesn’t change the fact that you were wrong, my only failure is in explaining to you why that is effectively, but there’s only so much one can do on infertile ground.

And no one knows more about infertile grounds for minds than you LMAO the master of throwing dead cats and mystifying.

Everyone across the board saved money after the Trump tax cuts, your point of contention is that the “rich” saved a higher dollar amount. This is not surprising - the rich make more money, that’s how percentages work. IRS data shows that the key beneficiaries of the cuts were in fact the working and middle class tax payers - they need to hold on to their money the most, the “rich” are already “rich”. The former two groups can benefit from an increased standard of living by holding on to more of their income, and a boom in consumption shows that they did. Tax liability also dropped off a cliff, which shows that tax avoidance has also decreased. Despite the cut, the treasury still saw record revenues. I’m not particularly concerned about “rich people’s money” and have a strong preference for citizens holding on to their individual incomes - Trump’s cuts accomplished that, leaving average households with more money in the bank by the end of the year. Average incomes grew by about 5.7% - an unprecedented growth, growth which was effectively wiped out by Bidenflation. You see, a growth in income is only relevant if it outpaces inflation - if it doesn’t, wages are stagnated, it’s just the number that changes, not the level of wealth. Sadly we had to deal with COVID in the immediate aftermath of Trump’s great results, but there’s nothing holding us back once the pandemic comes to a close. Someone who happens to think “like Trump” would be excellent right about now to give the economy a much-needed boost, considering the lockdowns led to crib death of many small businesses. Now, more than ever, the federal government needs to lower the bar for entry and allow new players onto the field through more lax regulation and lesser tax burden. Hard to achieve when you keep printing money, but not impossible.

A recipt for disaster, not to mention the usual amount of lies and spin typical of libertarians. But I appreciate that "less tax" sounds like the best improvement ever, doesn't matter if that money is absolutely nothing compared to the cost of life. "Bidenflation" LOL you're a ridiculous Putin stooge.

 

[smf]

As a general rule, I like to pay for services rendered.

So you want police and fire fighters to turn up with a credit card reader. Got it.

and you'd be stupid to argue otherwise.

Surely you've already drawn your conclusion on that matter by now.

Lesser evil more or less. People did not like either, and honestly if Covid did not happen at all he would have probably gotten a second term despite the impeachments (because those do not seem to do shit anymore for a form of discipline) But since the handling of the pandemic was so fucked sideways he really did not have any good leg to stand on in the global picture which made us just realize how bad he and his team was at leading a country and its people (without needing to rely on conspiracy driven rhetoric anyways).

I'm not sure covid had much to do with it, his supporters all seem to think he did a wonderful job with covid and that it was all someone elses fault.

The thought of a second term convinced people to vote who never did before, it turns out that there are more people who didn't want him than did. Which is not unlike his first term, it was only the electoral college that moved him from second to first place.

 

[Dark_Ansem]

So you want police and fire fighters to turn up with a credit card reader. Got it.

That also includes healthcare, and we've seen how healtchare works in america

 

[smf]

That also includes healthcare, and we've seen how healtchare works in america

And roads, you can only build a road when someone is sitting there waiting to drive on it and willing to pay.

I'm not sure he understands what "services rendered" means.

 

[Reiten]

So you want police and fire fighters to turn up with a credit card reader. Got it.

Or they turn up to late since they were working in their other jobs, as there might not be enough services to render, in the area, to make a living out of it.