Donald Trump announces he has COVID-19

[notimp]

Biden tested negative:
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/02/politics/joe-biden-coronavirus/index.html

(news from 1 hour ago)

Fingers crossed, that that holds true for the next days....

 

[erikas]

Wow so many political hacks and conspiracy theorists here.
1. I thought the mask does not protect you, only others. Get your story straigt.
2. What exactly does he have to gain by lying?

 

[notimp]

Depends on which masks, but yes, cloth masks mostly protect others, same with chirurgical masks.

Only conspiracy theory that might make sense, is that Trump might have been infected by the 'democratic devils'.. Aaaand he wasnt..

 

[gregory-samba]

Wow so many political hacks and conspiracy theorists here.
1. I thought the mask does not protect you, only others. Get your story straigt.
2. What exactly does he have to gain by lying?

Thanks to the CDC and WHO lying about masks for weeks there's tons of misinformation floating around, but I do recall the Liberal argument that material created to filter out small particles doesn't filter out small particles. Most masks, unless they have those stupid vents, filter the air coming out of an in the material the mask is made out of. They don't work "1-way". However, there's various types of masks and some like the ones with the vents or made out of cheap cotton can actually cause more harm then good. Like I previously stated, if this was a serious pandemic that actually had a high mortality rate we'd be fucked. The constant flow of mixed messages from the WHO and CDC also don't help things. Then there's the stupid factor, like the people that believe Trump said to drink bleach.

 

[Lazyboss]

Lier, COVID-19 cannot infect pigs.

 

[notimp]

Thanks to the CDC and WHO lying about masks for weeks there's tons of misinformation floating around

BS, in the european country I live in, my aunt, who is 60something and has a more than average fear of the corona virus, lately told me, that if she is in public, sometimes she even wears two masks (cloth and chirurgical), just to protect her better....

And we had nothing of the above.

Truth is, you dont tell people 'no, masks dont protect you, they protect the people around you' in a 'dropdead simple manner' because that would be counterproductive.

And they do protect you, just far, far less than they protect people around you... And by the time you've explained percentages to the average person you've lost them in argument.

So this is a litmus test. Everyone you see promoting, that this is because Trump never wore masks in public is largely a moron.. Great opportunity to categorize your friends circle..

(Although indirectly it is (by a certain percetage, because masks arent a 100% sure fire way to prevent spread, because f.e. they are misused), because he fostered a culture of not wearing masks in Airforce One and in the White house.)

 

[LumInvader]

And I said, that's a good point. But it isn't provable. And it's also beside the point I was making before about the number of flu deaths annually vs. the big scary 200k being reported about Covid19. The magic fun term that makes the 200k number deserve an asterisk is "Covid-related". Some guy crashed on his motorcycle and died but he was Covid19 positive ... death was reported as Covid19 related. That's an outlier example of course, but "Covid-related" is a big umbrella. And there are political and federal funding interests driving it.

I agree with you that it's impossible to count all the people who've had Covid-19, especially when half or more lose their antibodies within 6 months. This is why we use estimation models, like the IFR models used by the WHO and CDC. So it doesn't matter whether or not it meets your criteria for proof, as most scientists already agree that social distancing\mask wearing reduces exposure and therefore infection, which is why Covid-19 mathetical models show significant infection reduction in reduced exposure scenarios.

Think of it as the science of common sense. When you're not exposed to said virus, you won't get said virus.

 

[WD_GASTER2]

[QUOTE="gregory-samba, post: 9219451, member: 53803]
Chances are you're going to get COVID regardless if you wear a mask or not. Heck, the odds are you've already had it and don't know you did.[/QUOTE]

Citation needed.

 

[gregory-samba]

Citation needed.

I'm not sure why you'd need source material for these things. Most people that get COVID don't even get sick, per the CDC and WHO press releases over the past months. Plus, the more people we test the more are positive so it turns out much more people had it and didn't even know they had it.

I've just given you enough information in those two sentences for you to load up a search engine. I'm not going to play the Liberal game and hold your hand. Plus, if you're already made up your mind you'll just try to discredit any sources I might give you, regardless if they are correct or not.

Learn how to research things, you might learn something.

 

[SG854]

Learn how to research things, you might learn something.

Uh Oh the Fury is about to be unleashed

 

[Seliph]

Learn how to research things, you might learn something.

Learn how to cite things lol.

 

[WD_GASTER2]

Ah. I see an ad-hominem after presenting an opinion as evidence.

In a previous time I would have gone to town refuting you.However, you are not arguing in good faith so have a wonderful and hopefully nice day

For those still willing to be reasonable, my advice is to wear a mask. I still see plenty of people on respirators at my job from covid. So you all stay safe out there

 

[gregory-samba]

Learn how to cite things lol.

The sky is blue, water is wet, ghost peppers are hot. This is common knowledge and if you're paying attention the last 10 months so are my other two claims. I already stated I'm not going to hold his hand. More people need to do that.

Learn how to cite things lol.

Fine. Stay ignorant. Your choice. I don't really care.

 

[Seliph]

Fine. Stay ignorant. Your choice. I don't really care.

Even if I were ignorant that still doesn't change the fact that you haven't provided citations.

 

[Prior22]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/01/politics/hope-hicks-positive-coronavirus/index.html

So scary and disturbing. I am hoping he and Melanie pull through this

I hope Melanie is fine. Melania though.....I really don't care. Kudos to anyone who gets the hidden joke there.

 

[Lacius]

So, you don't like the "we're doing more testing so there's more positive results" argument. That's fine, I like it and it makes perfect sense to me. If you test half of the 330,000,000 residents in the USA you may only get 57,000,000 positive results, but if you test the entire 330,000,000 the results will go up. The more you test the more positive results you're going to see and the trend has been the more we test the more we find out more people had it then we thought so the death rate and serious sickness rate keep decreasing.

Did you... did you not read anything I typed?

You don't seem to understand my point about percentages, so I will break it down. Let's pretend 10/100 people have COVID-19. If I test 10 people, I should expect about 1 to test positive. If I test 20 people, I should expect about 2 to test positive. This is an example of increased testing leading to increased cases, even though the infection rate didn't actually increase. All that changed was the testing, and nobody should be more worried after the second round of testing than after the first.

The problem is the increase in testing does not account for the increase in cases we are seeing overall. To use the same example above, if I test 10 people and get one positive, and then I test 20 people and I get 5 positives, that's an increase in the positive case numbers that shouldn't have happened if the cases only increased because of the increased testing. Look at the percentages of tests, and you will see that we are getting increases around the country. That's a problem that isn't explained by increased testing.

I also don't care for your 2.8% death rate, as that doesn't reflect what has been reported for months or even last week. It's more like 0.02%, but either way Trump has the odds in his favor for survival.

If we are talking about the death rate just among those tested, it's 208,000 deaths divided by 7,310,000 cases in the USA. That's 2.8%.

If you want to talk about the estimated infection fatality rate (IFR) overall, it's about 0.65% according to the CDC.

If you want to talk about the estimated IFR for someone who is Trump's age, etc., it's about 4%.

 

[crimpshrine]

I get the whole masks are important thing (at least in theory) but in my opinion with that there is so much inconsistency I am not sold on how effective they really are if at all for most people.

I wear them when I go to the store but based on what I see when I am out there the majority of people I see it probably makes no difference. They get their shopping cart then boom adjust their mask touch their ears, their face, etc.. And continue to do this while they walk around the store. A virus particle is only like 60 nano meters in size. if you are a kid who is shedding a ton of virus (unlike older people, from everything I have read they are not really efficient in doing this) and this kid is walking around a store with a mask on he is blasting 60 nano meter sized particles everywhere he goes. If you happen to walk in his path regardless of the mask (unless it is a real mask made for that stuff that the doctors use) you are going to breath in particles they have expelled. They land on the cart, you handle it and then touch your face and there you go again.

The act of wearing a mask could even make the virus spread more for a certain portion of the population. Due to bad execution of the safety protocol you have been told to follow. I am no doctor or surgeon but I bet mask effectiveness falls apart due to dozens of mistakes people inadvertently make while using them.

 

[LumInvader]

So your % is a maximum of 1.46% death rate from your examples. My example shows an overall rate of 1.5% and Lacius is stating 2.8%. Your examples are more current then what Lacuis is stating as it was up in the 3-2% a few months ago so his figures are outdated, but it's all a numbers game and the thing about all of these figures is that they are extremely low. I also wouldn't knock the chart that the Governor of Florida is holding up as it was sourced from official figures and not some made up political number it just so happens you don't like the messenger.

Your original quote that I responded to cited a 0.2% fatality rate, which is flat out wrong:

The death statistics keep changing, but the general figures are that 99.8% of people who get infected don't die

If you had just stated the death rate closer to reality, like 99% or so, I wouldn't have challenged your math.

I also understand that it's more contagious than the flu, but the serious injury and death rates are so low it doesn't really make a difference. Most people that get it won't even know they had it let alone get ill or get close to having to go to a Hospital. That's why I'm not too concerned about Trump. Let's just hope I'm not wrong. It's sad to see people rooting for his death, but then I'm thankful we live in a country that allows us to criticize and wish authorities figures death as if we adopt socialism those are sorts of things you could be jailed or executed for.

That's why studies keep coming out proving your assumption wrong?

55% of coronavirus patients still have neurological problems three months later: study
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/5...-problems-three-months-later-study-2020-08-07

 

[SG854]

55% of coronavirus patients still have neurological problems three months later: study
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/5...-problems-three-months-later-study-2020-08-07

That headline is sketchy. Anything that makes claims that crazy is usually a flawed study. Your crazy radar should go off. It's either flawed because not enough data is collected. Or the person writing the article didn't properly read the study. Or they know exactly what the study says but make overexagerating claims to get more views.



55% of 60 patients. It doesn't represent the majority of the population that gets covid which is what over 34 million. Its too small of a sample size.

The 60 patients were hospitalized. It doesn't tell you about non hospitalized patients that got covid.

And the patients were severely hospitalized. Which isn't representative of all hospitalized patients that get covid.

The article itself even says

"While it’s too soon to say whether such post-COVID conditions will be chronic"

 

[leon315]

THE PRO BIDEN STREAMER IS LITERALLY CELEBRATING WITH ORGASM after Trump has been transported into medical center with MILD SYMPTOMS.





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