But that unreasonable...shanefromoz said:#uck you sony.
My ps3 i will do with it what i want illegal or not.
he he he.
Hope geohot rips your arse in court sony.
Good luck geohot.
But that unreasonable...shanefromoz said:#uck you sony.
My ps3 i will do with it what i want illegal or not.
he he he.
Hope geohot rips your arse in court sony.
Good luck geohot.
Think about it. Geohot AND Fail0verflow are getting sued. Its just that the Fail0verflow part isn't well publicised. They both have the private keys and have been using them to create tools to further the hacking community. its not just the release of the number Sony are after, its all these tools that blow the console wide open. Even if Geohot hadn't released the keys the system was wide for huge blows. Anybody could have found them, its just that Geohot was egotistic enough to want to be the first to publish them.Maedhros said:Sony sueing Geohot for releasing the private keys, not the tools.Jamstruth said:GundamXXX, Sony are suing Geohot over all the tools he has released to do with jailbreaking a PS3 it is an entirely seperate case than the PSN bans (which I support). If Sony win this it sets a precedent that will result in ALL hacks becoming illegal. Our flashcarts, our Homebrew Channel, our CFWs any developing of these moves from the grey area into open fire from the big corporations.
Geohot released the Private Keys for the PS3 and that's what attracted the attention. Sony are doing this in a last bid of desperation to restore their security integrity (once the number is theirs alone they can submit takedown notices). Nobody has ever gotten a console's private keys before but if Sony manage to get this number essentially copyrighted through winning this case then Nintendo could go after Twiizers for the Common Key and suddenly console hacking and homebrew are locked down by the full force of law. (And Apple will kick up a storm of that DMCA ruling about JailBreaking)
I don't see it this way, neither I have sufficient knowledge to answer this, I'll research more about this.Jamstruth said:Think about it. Geohot AND Fail0verflow are getting sued. Its just that the Fail0verflow part isn't well publicised. They both have the private keys and have been using them to create tools to further the hacking community. its not just the release of the number Sony are after, its all these tools that blow the console wide open. Even if Geohot hadn't released the keys the system was wide for huge blows. Anybody could have found them, its just that Geohot was egotistic enough to want to be the first to publish them.Maedhros said:Sony sueing Geohot for releasing the private keys, not the tools.Jamstruth said:GundamXXX, Sony are suing Geohot over all the tools he has released to do with jailbreaking a PS3 it is an entirely seperate case than the PSN bans (which I support). If Sony win this it sets a precedent that will result in ALL hacks becoming illegal. Our flashcarts, our Homebrew Channel, our CFWs any developing of these moves from the grey area into open fire from the big corporations.
Geohot released the Private Keys for the PS3 and that's what attracted the attention. Sony are doing this in a last bid of desperation to restore their security integrity (once the number is theirs alone they can submit takedown notices). Nobody has ever gotten a console's private keys before but if Sony manage to get this number essentially copyrighted through winning this case then Nintendo could go after Twiizers for the Common Key and suddenly console hacking and homebrew are locked down by the full force of law. (And Apple will kick up a storm of that DMCA ruling about JailBreaking)
If the key is illegal, the tools are illegal, if the tools are illegal any hacking is ilelgal not just piracy.
Because the term doesn't have spaces obviously. Also facepalm is a good reactionary descriptive term, 'copypasta' is not, and it sounds like something a 12 year old would say. Are you 12?Argentum Vir said:Because I can only speak for myself. What is normal to you doesn't mean its normal for everyone else. What makes your definition of normal the "rule"?
Define: normal
being approximately average or within certain limits in e.g. intelligence and development; "a perfectly normal child"; "of normal intelligence"; "the most normal person I've ever met"
You make it seem like everyone thinks, walks and talks... JUST LIKE YOU. You are one person, why don't you go find 3-4 billion people who agree on your definition of normal, then I'll admit I'm wrong.
If I make it seem that everyone thinks like me then that means I have one this discussion, unless you mean that I make it seem like I think everyone does. But you never said that so you must not have meant that. I'm not surprised you don't understand what average in this case means in your quote, or how I've been right all along. But I see no point in arguing this anymore as it is getting off-topic, so let's go on with the other points you raised.
Why does a common internet term matter? If you stick to that, I'm gonna ask why you just used face palm without spaces.Argentum Vir said:Go back and re-read my comment. I made no claims about the phat, and they removed them to cut costs on the slim. Also, what good does it do to bring up the phats when 3.21 removed OtherOS?
Where exactly does this fit in with your point?
I never said you did. I brought up the phat for this reason:
Also because the whole time when I brought up OtherOS being removed it was talking about the phat, so it had been my point all along, also you seem pretty ignorant I'm sure you could use some learning. What good does it do? Well it's pretty convincing that geohot was one of the main reasons for having Sony remove it due to security reasons. But I'm not surprised you didn't see that if you didn't read my first post that was talking about OtherOS and specifically the phat. Therefore your whole 'copypasta' quote was not even needed.KingVamp said:Rydian said that they wasn't going to bring it back regardless because of cost.
QUOTE(Argentum Vir @ Feb 22 2011, 07:34 AM)
This part doesn't even matter really.Jamstruth said:I'm just following the chain.
If Sony win then they have successfully proven that a company can "own" a number.
By "owning" this number it means that only they are allowed to use it.
If only they are allowed to use it they can put in for and be successful in any and all takedown notices for signed CFW and homebrew
If Sony can prove they can own a number, why can't any other manufacturer?
Suddenly a lot of Wii Homebrew that uses the Common Key becomes a problem.
As for Fail0verflow. They did not release the key, they only made tools BUT they have been targetted by Sony. If that lawsuit goes through and Sony win suddenly ANY unauthorised reverse engineering of copyrighted code becomes fair game. The hacking scene would be forced waaayy underground and only those with the skills to do it themselves would be able to run unsigned code.
This is a complete worst case scenario view of things though. I'm not saying I like rampant piracy but I do enjoy emulators and creative homebrew programs.
Didn't think it that far through.
Because the term doesn't have spaces obviously. Also facepalm is a good reactionary descriptive term, 'copypasta' is not, and it sounds like something a 12 year old would say. Are you 12?antwill said:Why does a common internet term matter? If you stick to that, I'm gonna ask why you just used face palm without spaces.KingVamp said:Rydian said that they wasn't going to bring it back regardless because of cost.
Also because the whole time when I brought up OtherOS being removed it was talking about the phat, so it had been my point all along, also you seem pretty ignorant I'm sure you could use some learning. What good does it do? Well it's pretty convincing that geohot was one of the main reasons for having Sony remove it due to security reasons. But I'm not surprised you didn't see that if you didn't read my first post that was talking about OtherOS and specifically the phat. Therefore your whole 'copypasta' quote was not even needed.
Are you talking about me when you post this?Yes, but even then they should have fix it and give it back. You could argue geohot was just trying to give us more (legal) freedom onourtheir (people/customers) device.
QUOTE(Argentum Vir @ Feb 22 2011, 07:34 AM)
Jamstruth said:As for Fail0verflow. They did not release the key, they only made tools BUT they have been targetted by Sony. If that lawsuit goes through and Sony win suddenly ANY unauthorised reverse engineering of copyrighted code becomes fair game. The hacking scene would be forced waaayy underground and only those with the skills to do it themselves would be able to run unsigned code.
um... Expect all people aren't "spoiled brats" and not all, maybe even most can not require this skill. Do you know how to?Law said:Jamstruth said:As for Fail0verflow. They did not release the key, they only made tools BUT they have been targetted by Sony. If that lawsuit goes through and Sony win suddenly ANY unauthorised reverse engineering of copyrighted code becomes fair game. The hacking scene would be forced waaayy underground and only those with the skills to do it themselves would be able to run unsigned code.
That sounds like the perfect kind of world to me. Only the people with the right skills can do it. If people want to do it, they have to learn the skills instead of relying on other people to figure it out for them. It would hopefully show all of the spoiled brats in the current "scene" that they aren't entitled to anything.
Ignore the signature for this post, this post is serious.
I'd call it reactionary or elitist. Probably the latter. I would imagine the average user does not want to navigate through terminal-like settings in order to play a backup. If the community makes their work inaccessible in this way to the public, they would have no other purpose but to exist for that community; this would render the scene useless. Can you imagine what USB would have become, or wouldn't have become, if only Intel technicians were able to use it? This line of logic assumes that the world would have been better off if Prometheus hadn't bothered with fire.KingVamp said:That like saying people who make computers shouldn't find a way to spread the devices to others.
Sound a bit selfish to me.
No I was still talking to him, just telling him why I mentioned the phat's OtherOS removal in the first place.KingVamp said:Are you talking about me when you post this?Yes, but even then they should have fix it and give it back. You could argue geohot was just trying to give us more (legal) freedom onourtheir (people/customers) device.
If so(which is mess up), it was still advertised as a multimedia device, (legal)homebrew should be allow.Maedhros said:If you look around, you'll see the PS3 was never advertised as having Other OS, instead, on the PS3 box, it said features could change with time.
I'm stupid, herp, derp.Eckin said:it's ridiculous to see people here supporting Sony instead of geohot
this is an active community with a lot of people who use homebrew (in various consoles/handhelds)
this kind of community could be forced underground if Sony wins this case
some of you are so reckless, is it naivety or just plain stupidity?
I bet if HP tried to sue you for installing linux on your PC you'd care.Maedhros said:If you look around, you'll see the PS3 was never advertised as having Other OS, instead, on the PS3 box, it said features could change with time.http://n4g.com/news/1079/new-ken-kutaragi-interview
http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/02/phil-ha...-your-computer/
I'm pretty sure Sony presented it as a personal computer when exporting it to various countries in order to get around various taxes or whatever that dealt with importing game systems, and that was used as evidence in the OtherOS suits that Sony intended it to be there all along originally.
QUOTE(Maedhros @ Feb 22 2011, 11:31 AM) I don't see why support him is right and not support him is wrong.